The Coming of Christ and the Kingdoms — a Clear Chronology of events.

[HealthyShape]

I don’t know of any other version of forever. I’m open to another view if you have one.

Poetic, non-literal, hyperbolic (like "from the human point of view") etc. Not even the Sun will last forever, even though it is safe for billions of years from now.

Also, the Moon is getting away from the Earth by few centimeters a year. It is estimated it will leave the Earth's orbit in 2 billions of years or so.

After the Sun will become the red giant, it will burn all life on Earth.

If the Earth should last forever, it would need to be somehow transported from our solar system (or even from our Universe?) and being constantly regenerated. Imaginable with some brutally advanced sci-fi level of tech or with miracles.

 

[IndianaRob]

Poetic, non-literal, hyperbolic (like "from the human point of view") etc. Not even the Sun will last forever, even though it is safe for billions of years since now.

Also, the Moon is getting away from the Earth by few centimeters a year. It is estimated it will leave the Earth's orbit in 2 billions of years or so.

After the Sun will become the red giant, it will burn all life on Earth.

I don’t believe the Bible uses poetry but I know some do which is fine. But considering nothing here is real, we live in a simulation, anything is possible.

Even in classical physics atoms don’t take up space. There’s nothing physically here but electrical charges.

 

[JohnDB]

The last time God showed up on earth in the form of Jesus....
God gave over 1100 different prophesies describing the exact date, time, signs of His arrival, and signs of his ministry tour....so EVERYONE could know that He was here and could meet Him.

Very very few figured it out. Almost no one out of millions of people who knew the scriptures. Little over 200.....pathetic numbers really.

But everyone thought that they knew when it was going to happen too.

And today people have yet to figure out that the first time wasn't an accident or that people were just too dumb to read the signs. It was INTENTIONAL.

Yet for some reason people think that they are smarter this time around?

Who is kidding who?
Who claims to be smarter or at least as smart as God?

 

[IndianaRob]

The last time God showed up on earth in the form of Jesus....
God gave over 1100 different prophesies describing the exact date, time, signs of His arrival, and signs of his ministry tour....so EVERYONE could know that He was here and could meet Him.

Very very few figured it out. Almost no one out of millions of people who knew the scriptures. Little over 200.....pathetic numbers really.

But everyone thought that they knew when it was going to happen too.

And today people have yet to figure out that the first time wasn't an accident or that people were just too dumb to read the signs. It was INTENTIONAL.

Yet for some reason people think that they are smarter this time around?

Who is kidding who?
Who claims to be smarter or at least as smart as God?

If you set Daniel aside, there isn’t a single Old Testament prophecy that gives the exact date or time of Jesus’ coming.

The prophecies point to His birthplace (Micah 5:2), His suffering (Isaiah 53), His role as King and Priest (Psalm 110, Zech 6), and His entry into the temple (Mal 3:1), but none of those give a calendar date.

Daniel when read the way it’s written doesn’t even give the timing.

 

[Scott Downey]

Right about the timing or day of Christ's return, no one knows that except the Father.
We do know He comes at a time when people are not expecting Him, coming as if a thief.
The unbelieving world also think He is dead and not coming back.
They will experience a sudden overwhelming fiery destruction.

We are told to watch and be ready for His return at any time.
Luke 12

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

35 “Let your waist be girded and your lamps burning; 36 and you yourselves be like men who wait for their master, when he will return from the wedding, that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants whom the master, when he comes, will find watching. Assuredly, I say to you that he will gird himself and have them sit down to eat, and will come and serve them. 38 And if he should come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would [g]have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 40 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

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Mark 13

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that [i]it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

Bible Gateway passage: Luke 12 - New King James Version

Beware of Hypocrisy - In the meantime, when an innumerable multitude of people had gathered together, so that they trampled one another, He began to say to His disciples first of all, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. For there is nothing covered that will not be...

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[LoveYeshua]

Since the entire earth burns and is dissolved at the coming of Christ again, how can there be any unsaved ungodly survivors left to repopulate a burned out and dissolved earth? An earth that in premill thinking is the same one as today.

Scripturally there is only the old first earth, then the New regenerated earth.
Our resurrection and the regeneration of the world as the new earth, in which there is no more evil.
The unbelieving are killed by Christ in fiery destruction and judged.

2 Peter 3

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance,

2 that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

5 For of this they are willfully ignorant: that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water,

6 whereby the world as it then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

7 But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (judgment of hell awaits the wicked at Christ's return)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
(time to God is not like men look at time, the 2000 year delay of Christ's return for example is God building His church)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(Christ always describes His second coming as like a thief coming in the night, at an unexpected time)

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy manner of living and godliness,
(Since at the return of Christ, all things will be changed, and our former lives no more we should look towards the eternal state, not this current world as it will be gone-destroyed)

12 looking for and hastening unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing that ye know these things beforehand, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
(Unstable people, ignorant of the plans of God will change, wrest, and distort the scripture in the time of the end as perilous times will come and many be deceived, evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. )

18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Scott you do not follow the order of events as described in revelations, it is clear that;

When Jesus returns, He does not destroy the whole earth, but He gathers His people:

• “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds” (Matthew 24:29–31).

The nations are not gone at His coming. They are judged:

• “When the Son of Man comes in His glory… He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another” (Matthew 25:31–32).

The earth is still here when He rules with His saints:

• “Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection… they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years” (Revelation 20:6).
• This reign happens on the earth, since the devil is bound here (Revelation 20:1–3).

Only after the thousand years do heaven and earth pass away:

• “Now I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away”(Revelation 20:11).
• “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away” (Revelation 21:1).

Peter also says the burning of the heavens and the earth is future, not at Christ’s second coming:

• “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat… Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells” (2 Peter 3:10–13).

So the Bible shows clearly: when Christ comes again, He gathers His elect, judges the nations, and reigns on the earth for a thousand years. The earth burning and dissolving happens only after that, when God makes all things new.

This is what the book of revelations explain.

 

[Davy]

Since the entire earth burns and is dissolved at the coming of Christ again, how can there be any unsaved ungodly survivors left to repopulate a burned out and dissolved earth? An earth that in premill thinking is the same one as today.

The entire... earth does not burn up per the 2 Peter 3 Scripture. You never bothered to look up that word "elements" in the 10th verse, which is NOT about the atomic weight element chart of matter.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

NT:4747
stoicheion (stoy-khi'-on); neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of NT:4748; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively):

KJV - element, principle, rudiment.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

It's the idea of a world earth age that is burned up, not the complete earth. The earth is forever, like the Psalms says.

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV

Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

The previous destruction on the earth per Peter in that 2 Peter 3 Chapter did not COMPLETELY destroy the earth, but only CLEANSED THE EARTH'S SURFACE OF MAN AND HIS WORKS. Likewise it will be on the "day of the Lord" which is when Jesus returns. The earth's SURFACE will be cleansed of man's works and the things of this world by God's "consuming fire". In Hebrews 12 is another comparison of what God's consuming fire will do on that day.

But the backwoods preachers who can't be bothered with looking up KJV passages in the manuscripts would rather create their fake dreamland theologies, keeping congregations illiterate about what is going to really happen!

 

[Scott Downey]

Scott you do not follow the order of events as described in revelations, it is clear that;

When Jesus returns, He does not destroy the whole earth, but He gathers His people:

• “Immediately after the tribulation of those days… they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds” (Matthew 24:29–31).

The nations are not gone at His coming. They are judged:

• “When the Son of Man comes in His glory… He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another” (Matthew 25:31–32).

The earth is still here when He rules with His saints:

• “Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection… they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years” (Revelation 20:6).
• This reign happens on the earth, since the devil is bound here (Revelation 20:1–3).

Only after the thousand years do heaven and earth pass away:

• “Now I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away”(Revelation 20:11).
• “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away” (Revelation 21:1).

Peter also says the burning of the heavens and the earth is future, not at Christ’s second coming:

• “The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat… Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells” (2 Peter 3:10–13).

So the Bible shows clearly: when Christ comes again, He gathers His elect, judges the nations, and reigns on the earth for a thousand years. The earth burning and dissolving happens only after that, when God makes all things new.

This is what the book of revelations explain.

I understand you are really stuck and cannot see the light of the truth here as written in scripture.
I already gave you plenty of scriptural proofs as evidence, but you persist in your own way.

You have badly distorted the scriptures about the second coming of Christ.
Yes, the unbelieving in all nations are bodily dead as in killed. The judgment of Christ is after all men are resurrected.

 

[WPM]

The entire... earth does not burn up per the 2 Peter 3 Scripture. You never bothered to look up that word "elements" in the 10th verse, which is NOT about the atomic weight element chart of matter.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

NT:4747
stoicheion (stoy-khi'-on); neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of NT:4748; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively):

KJV - element, principle, rudiment.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

It's the idea of a world earth age that is burned up, not the complete earth. The earth is forever, like the Psalms says.

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV

Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

The previous destruction on the earth per Peter in that 2 Peter 3 Chapter did not COMPLETELY destroy the earth, but only CLEANSED THE EARTH'S SURFACE OF MAN AND HIS WORKS. Likewise it will be on the "day of the Lord" which is when Jesus returns. The earth's SURFACE will be cleansed of man's works and the things of this world by God's "consuming fire". In Hebrews 12 is another comparison of what God's consuming fire will do on that day.

But the backwoods preachers who can't be bothered with looking up KJV passages in the manuscripts would rather create their fake dreamland theologies, keeping congregations illiterate about what is going to really happen!

LOL. Talk about spiritualizing the Bible away! You're an expert.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I understand you are really stuck and cannot see the light of the truth here as written in scripture.
I already gave you plenty of scriptural proofs as evidence, but you persist in your own way.

You have badly distorted the scriptures about the second coming of Christ.
Yes, the unbelieving in all nations are bodily dead as in killed. The judgment of Christ is after all men are resurrected.

it s all from the book of revelations that you reject. We have nothing more to say

 

[Scott Downey]

it s all from the book of revelations that you reject. We have nothing more to say

Thing is you base a doctrine on books full of symbolism, Revelation and Zechariah, then reject the apostle's and Christ's doctrines written to the churches when it is contradictory to your understanding.
And that does not bother you at all, something is very wrong with this.

 

[WPM]

The entire... earth does not burn up per the 2 Peter 3 Scripture. You never bothered to look up that word "elements" in the 10th verse, which is NOT about the atomic weight element chart of matter.

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
KJV

NT:4747
stoicheion (stoy-khi'-on); neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of NT:4748; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively):

KJV - element, principle, rudiment.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

It's the idea of a world earth age that is burned up, not the complete earth. The earth is forever, like the Psalms says.

Ps 78:69
69 And He built His sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which He hath established for ever.
KJV

Ps 104:5
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
KJV

The previous destruction on the earth per Peter in that 2 Peter 3 Chapter did not COMPLETELY destroy the earth, but only CLEANSED THE EARTH'S SURFACE OF MAN AND HIS WORKS. Likewise it will be on the "day of the Lord" which is when Jesus returns. The earth's SURFACE will be cleansed of man's works and the things of this world by God's "consuming fire". In Hebrews 12 is another comparison of what God's consuming fire will do on that day.

But the backwoods preachers who can't be bothered with looking up KJV passages in the manuscripts would rather create their fake dreamland theologies, keeping congregations illiterate about what is going to really happen!

Amils take 2 Peter 3:8-13 literally: “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens [Gr. ouranos] shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements [Gr. stoicheion] shall melt with fervent heat, the earth [Gr. gē] also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens [Gr. ouranos] being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements [Gr. stoicheion] shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens [Gr. ouranos] and a new earth [Gr. gē], wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

Creation will be finally purged of wickedness, all the wicked, rebellion and all degeneration forever when Jesus comes. If the remedy for the corruption of the old heavens and earth is the introduction of a brand-new perfect heavens and earth then we are looking at an all-consummating reference to the destruction of the current globe and the existing heavens. The old arrangement that is marked by sin and insurrection is indeed destroyed by fire (as Peter said) and changed to a new glorified perfect arrangement “wherein dwelleth righteousness.” This allows no room for the continuation of unrighteousness or corruption, as Premils insists. Such is totally eliminated through the conflagration.

The new heavens and new earth are such a stark contrast to this current present evil age that is blighted by all the result of the Fall, including the existence of Satan. The new arrangement is especially noted for “righteousness.”

Scripture tells us that we are coming back to earth, but it will be a regenerated earth (Malachi 4:1-3, I Corinthians 15:50, 2 Peter 3). It will be an earth totally purged of all deterioration. The new heavens and a new earth (in whatever form God chooses) will appear at the coming of Christ. It will involve (at very least) the burning up of the crust of our current earth. This current earth will be totally changed/regenerated – making it a new curse-free environment. The earth will be restored to its previous pristine condition. These passages would sway me towards the position that this earth will remain forever – only in a new condition.

 

[JohnDB]

If you set Daniel aside, there isn’t a single Old Testament prophecy that gives the exact date or time of Jesus’ coming.

The prophecies point to His birthplace (Micah 5:2), His suffering (Isaiah 53), His role as King and Priest (Psalm 110, Zech 6), and His entry into the temple (Mal 3:1), but none of those give a calendar date.

Daniel when read the way it’s written doesn’t even give the timing.

Doesn't give the timing that YOU recognize. It does....but it was coded. No different from the restoration of the Temple.

But the most telling was the prophesy of Genesis that Jacob said about the scepter....(chapter 50)
Kinda obvious since everyone was wearing sackcloth and ashes for three weeks whining about how was Rome making God wrong.....except God wasn't wrong, the Messiah was among them.


Either way....EVERYONE but a selected few missed the 1,100+ signs. An intentional blinding by God.

But yet you think God is not going to do it again? Based on what reasoning?
OR
You are going to thwart God?

 

[IndianaRob]

Doesn't give the timing that YOU recognize. It does....but it was coded. No different from the restoration of the Temple.

But the most telling was the prophesy of Genesis that Jacob said about the scepter....(chapter 50)
Kinda obvious since everyone was wearing sackcloth and ashes for three weeks whining about how was Rome making God wrong.....except God wasn't wrong, the Messiah was among them.


Either way....EVERYONE but a selected few missed the 1,100+ signs. An intentional blinding by God.

But yet you think God is not going to do it again? Based on what reasoning?
OR
You are going to thwart God?

Enlighten me, where can I find the timing?

 

[JohnDB]

Enlighten me, where can I find the timing?

Sorry, it is a long and complicated process. That I cannot show in a single post. Lots of requisite knowledge and details.

How much do you know of the Babylonian/Chaldean Empire? A LOT more than average is requisite. A subscription to JANES would be helpful.

 

[LoveYeshua]

many here are incredibly confused, Revelation shows that the complete destruction of the present heavens and earth and the making of the new heaven and earth happens after the thousand–year reign of Christ, not at the moment of His second coming.

Here’s how it unfolds in Revelation:

• When Christ returns (Revelation 19:11–16), He defeats the nations and the beast, and then the devil is bound for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3).
• During this thousand–year period, called the Millennial Kingdom, the saints live and reign with Christ (Revelation 20:4–6).
• After the thousand years, Satan is released, makes one last rebellion, but is destroyed and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7–10).
• Then comes the Great White Throne judgment, where the dead are judged, and death and Hades are also cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15).
• Only after this do we see the old heaven and earth passing away and the new heaven and new earth appearing (Revelation 21:1).

So in Revelation, the destruction of the present earth and heavens is shown as happening after the Millennium.

But in 2 Peter 3:10–13, Peter does not mention the thousand years—he compresses the whole picture into one sweeping vision of the day of the Lord, where the present order is destroyed and the new one begins. He is stressing the end result, not the order of events.

So both Peter and John are describing the same ultimate truth—that the heavens and earth we know will not last and God will make all things new—but Revelation gives more detail about the thousand–year reign that takes place before the final renewal.

this is what I am trying to explain but no one listens, the full sequence in proprer order is in revelations!.

 

[IndianaRob]

many here are incredibly confused, Revelation shows that the complete destruction of the present heavens and earth and the making of the new heaven and earth happens after the thousand–year reign of Christ, not at the moment of His second coming.

Here’s how it unfolds in Revelation:

• When Christ returns (Revelation 19:11–16), He defeats the nations and the beast, and then the devil is bound for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3).
• During this thousand–year period, called the Millennial Kingdom, the saints live and reign with Christ (Revelation 20:4–6).
• After the thousand years, Satan is released, makes one last rebellion, but is destroyed and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:7–10).
• Then comes the Great White Throne judgment, where the dead are judged, and death and Hades are also cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15).
• Only after this do we see the old heaven and earth passing away and the new heaven and new earth appearing (Revelation 21:1).

So in Revelation, the destruction of the present earth and heavens is shown as happening after the Millennium.

But in 2 Peter 3:10–13, Peter does not mention the thousand years—he compresses the whole picture into one sweeping vision of the day of the Lord, where the present order is destroyed and the new one begins. He is stressing the end result, not the order of events.

So both Peter and John are describing the same ultimate truth—that the heavens and earth we know will not last and God will make all things new—but Revelation gives more detail about the thousand–year reign that takes place before the final renewal.

this is what I am trying to explain but no one listens, the full sequence in proprer order is in revelations!.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Do you agree that both of those verses are about the first resurrection?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Do you agree that both of those verses are about the first resurrection?

yes but what is the point you are making here?

 

[IndianaRob]

yes but what is the point you are making here?

The point is that there is only one first resurrection. It cannot occur at both the beginning and the end of the 1,000 years.

A singular event cannot take place twice, separated by 1000 years.

That means the 1000 years can not possibly mean literal years.

 

[LoveYeshua]

The point is that there is only one first resurrection. It cannot occur at both the beginning and the end of the 1,000 years.

A singular event cannot take place twice, separated by 1000 years.

That means the 1000 years can not possibly mean literal years.

Revelation Texts shows there are two resurrections. John does not use the exact phrase “second resurrection,” but he makes the contrast very clear by calling the first one blessed and holy, and then showing a later resurrection for the rest of the dead. Let me explain carefully.

In Revelation 20:4–6, John describes the first resurrection. These are the saints who belong to Christ, who are raised and given life to reign with Him for a thousand years. Verse 6 says, “Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.” This resurrection is unto life, victory, and blessing.

But then John says in Revelation 20:5, “The rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished.” These are those who were not part of the first resurrection. After the thousand years, they are raised, not to reign with Christ, but to stand before the great white throne for judgment (Revelation 20:11–13). This is the second resurrection, though John does not use those exact words. Yet, the very mention of a “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:6 clearly points to a subsequent one. All whose names are not found in the Book of Life are then cast into the lake of fire, which is called the second death (Revelation 20:14–15).