if i wanted to become a catholic
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Behold
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The Real Mary would be ashamed to see these DECEIVED MaryCult disciples kneeling before a Plastic Statue.
Jesus Himself is insulted....extremely.
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Jesus Himself is insulted....extremely.
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Agreed.
So?
At least they're not demeaning God.
Or changing His character.
Or teaching that obedience to God is not necessary.
Or that we could live a life of sin and still be saved.
You're doing EXACTLY what you claim the CC does....
you take away attention from CHRIST
by posting all this stuff on Mary.
You really should stop.
Behold
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The MaryCult is not a problem for real Christians......Its only a problem for those who are deceived by the MaryCult. @GodsGrace
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Behold
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Praying to MARY, or to Paul, or to St Bernadette, or to Peter........is in the eyes of God an insult to His Son.
ONLY God's Son is worthy of our Praise, and our Prayers, and our Worship.
Mary was a sinner, who had to had to be saved by God's Son......just like you.
So, to kneel before a saved sinner, (Mary) is to deeply insult God's only Son.
Not a good idea..
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Right.
Here's a question for you....I think I know the answer but want to make sure.
The CC does NOT teach that Mary is to be worshipped.
They also do not discourage this.
I know the difference so for me to go and appreciate Lourdes is no problem.
Those that go there thinking it's pious of them....well, I don't now, I leave it to God.
So let's say that they more than venerate Mary....they actually worship her because they weren't taught any better.
Are they going straight to hell because of this?
Do you believe correct doctrine saves?
If some get the doctrine wrong....are they going to hell?
Now, remember, maybe YOU have some doctrine wrong.
OK
But I cannot agree that Mary was a sinner.
I DO believe in the IC.
There's no way God will plant His Son in the body of a sinful human.
Behold
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You can call it "veneration" if that is what you need to do, so that you sleep better.
But here is the reality....when you Pray TO...........and you Kneel before =....you are worshiping.
You can deny it but the Forum members who find this Thread and SEE the KNEELING Worshiping MaryCult members.......they will know you are just one more deceived defender of a False Religion that pretends to be of God.
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I don't really care what anyone thinks Behold....
but
I would like to remind you that I'm not Catholic.
As I see what's going on....I kind of wish I could be.
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Yes, everyone is required to obey God. That is why the Bible says, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). This is true for every man, woman, and child, both saved and unsaved. They are all under God's law, and for that reason they are all guilty in His sight. They don't have to obey God's law, but if they don't obey them they will go to hell if they don’t come to know Jesus Christ and ask Him to pay their sin dept, for "the wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). The only way out is salvation, and apart from Christ every person stands guilty under His law.
It’s not a question of obedience being required or not required. It’s a question of an unsaved person being able to do so in a manner that is acceptable to God. The Bible is clear in that “the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be” (Romans 8:7). The unsaved person may perform outward religious acts, but without faith it is impossible to please Him (Hebrews 11:6). They are not walking in obedience, they are still in rebellion.
Once someone is saved, obedience becomes not only required, but inevitable, because the Spirit of God is now within them. Philippians 2: 13 says, “For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” True faith always results in obedience. That’s why John 3:36 ties belief and obedience together, the one who believes has life, the one who does not obey will not see life. Disobedience is the evidence of unbelief, obedience is the evidence of saving faith.
So the message is consistent. No one is saved by obedience, but no one truly saved will live in ongoing disobedience. Salvation is by grace through faith, apart from works (Ephesians 2: 8–9), yet the faith that saves always results in a changed life. That’s not a contradiction, that’s the whole truth of the gospel.
Behold
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Reader,
I'll post 15 Lies for you, as taught by the "cult of mary".
Here is what they teach that : Mary Said, and that that they believe.
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For children: If you pray the Rosary, God will help you make good choices when you’re not sure what to do.
For children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary promises to make an extra effort to protect you and send you special blessings.
For children: If you trust in Mary by praying the Rosary, she promises you won’t go to hell. (If you are not comfortable telling your child about hell yet, you can say something like “Mary promises to help you get to heaven if you pray the Rosary and trust in her.”)
For children: If you make a habit of praying the Rosary, Mary will make sure a priest anoints you with special oil to help you if ever get really sick. This is called the Anointing of the Sick. This sacrament sends you special graces that help you endure your illness and even grow in holiness through it.
For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will have the light of God shining upon you and you will have many rewards in heaven like the saints.
For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary, she will help you become pure and holy so that you go to heaven.
For children: If you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will sit very close to Jesus and his Mother in Heaven.
For children: When you pray the Rosary, you can ask Mary for what you need, and she will talk to her son about it. Jesus loves his mom so much that he pays attention to what she says!
For children: When you share what you know about the Rosary with other people, Mary loves it! When you do this, she promises that you will have what you need to become more holy. She even promises that you will have enough food, clothing, and a home to live in.
For children: When you encourage other people to pray the Rosary, Mary promises that all the angels in heaven will be praying for you!
Children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary treats you like her very own child and Jesus becomes like your big brother. You are part of her own family!
I'll post 15 Lies for you, as taught by the "cult of mary".
Here is what they teach that : Mary Said, and that that they believe.
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1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.
For children: If you pray the Rosary, God will help you make good choices when you’re not sure what to do.
2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
For children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary promises to make an extra effort to protect you and send you special blessings.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell; it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
For children: When you pray the Rosary, it helps you to be good. If you struggle with a certain bad habit, like lying or hitting your siblings, praying the Rosary will help you overcome these habits. Praying the Rosary is like riding around in a tank! You’ll have super strong protection against the devil!4. The Rosary will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire for eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
For children: Praying the Rosary will help you grow in holiness, because it helps you grow in the virtues like love, honesty, wisdom, faithfulness, and courage. Which virtues do you need to grow in? Pray the Rosary! Our Lady will help you!5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.
You won’t go to hell = if you pray the Rosary. That doesn’t mean you won’t go to purgatory.For children: If you trust in Mary by praying the Rosary, she promises you won’t go to hell. (If you are not comfortable telling your child about hell yet, you can say something like “Mary promises to help you get to heaven if you pray the Rosary and trust in her.”)
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice; he shall not perish by an unprovided death. If he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God and become worthy of eternal life.
For children: If you make a habit of praying the Rosary, Mary will wrap her mantle around you like a good mother! She will help you when you are sad or having a hard time. What kind of hard times are you having right now? Are you sad about a problem with a friend? Disappointed or angry about something? Mary will make sure it’s not too much for you to handle!7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the sacraments of the Church.
Tthis sacrament also absolves you of any unconfessed sins.For children: If you make a habit of praying the Rosary, Mary will make sure a priest anoints you with special oil to help you if ever get really sick. This is called the Anointing of the Sick. This sacrament sends you special graces that help you endure your illness and even grow in holiness through it.
8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces. At the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in paradise.
For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will have the light of God shining upon you and you will have many rewards in heaven like the saints.
9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
Mary promises to “get us out” of purgatory quickly! She is our greatest Advocate.For children: Mary promises that if you pray the Rosary, she will help you become pure and holy so that you go to heaven.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
Praying the Rosary merits us a higher place in Heaven because we will become more holy.For children: If you pray the Rosary faithfully, you will sit very close to Jesus and his Mother in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
Mary is our advocate and she mediates between her Son and us. She will ask Jesus for all that we ask, provided it’s good for our salvation and doesn’t violate God’s perfect will for us.For children: When you pray the Rosary, you can ask Mary for what you need, and she will talk to her son about it. Jesus loves his mom so much that he pays attention to what she says!
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
This means that when you tell others about the Rosary, including teaching your children to pray it, Mary will take special care to ensure you have what you need both spiritually and physically.For children: When you share what you know about the Rosary with other people, Mary loves it! When you do this, she promises that you will have what you need to become more holy. She even promises that you will have enough food, clothing, and a home to live in.
13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.
Mary promises that if we encourage others to pray the Rosary, the angels in heaven will be interceding for us not only during our lives, but when we die.For children: When you encourage other people to pray the Rosary, Mary promises that all the angels in heaven will be praying for you!
14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons and daughters, the brothers and sisters of Jesus Christ.
When we recite the Rosary, we are the children of Mary, and Jesus is our BROTHER.... We are part of the Holy Family.Children: When you pray the Rosary, Mary treats you like her very own child and Jesus becomes like your big brother. You are part of her own family!
15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
Behold
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Behold
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What the "OP" should have asked... is..
""""Why do you want to become a Catholic (denomination) member , when you can simply become a Christian, instead."""""
Much better question.
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Behold
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You misunderstood my post @Matthias
I didnt post that Catholics aren't Chrisitan...
I posted..... 'why would you want to become a Catholic, when you can become a Christian.'... ?
Why would you want to become a :"
Baptist
Methodist
Assembly of God
Church of Christ
Berean
Methodist
Lutheran
Orthodox
Calvinist
Catholic....
See all those @Matthias ?
Those are man made : DENOMINATIONS.
There were none of those when Christianty started.
Also, there are no Denominations in Heaven..
Not even one.
So, i'll show you again........
Q.) ."""""why do you want to become a DENOMINATION. (see List)........when you can become a CHRISTIAN.""""?
That's the real question.
See if you can find that answer in the "Christianity Board Statement of Faith".
If you do......post it for us. @Matthias ...
No one has misunderstood you. You’re as clear as crystal. The OP depended on you and you came through like a champ.
Christians savaging Christians. Well done, champ. Well done.
Behold
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Wrong again...
Also, the "Op's" original Thread's question, was simply asking how to become a Catholic.
So, your point of view, is something you completely made up that is not related to the "Op's" question...., and im not certain why you would do that, other then the fact that you're just a dishonest person . ??
Also, I never "savage a christian"... little one.
What i do is confirm cults and their theology that is taught by a forum member, or a commentary or a Youtube video, ect, ect..., using Paul's Theology.
Its really that simple. @Matthias
Now when you are able, answer my question..
Why would anyone want to become a denomination...(see my list),
Baptist
Methodist
Assembly of God
Church of Christ
Berean
Methodist
Lutheran
Orthodox
Calvinist
Catholic....
when they can simply become a Christian..????????????? @Matthias
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