Do young adults 17 and under need automobiles, smart phones, and unrestricted access to computers and television?

[Grailhunter]

For one thing garbage in, garbage out. And automobiles allows the young adult to be independent of their parents.

 

[BlueNightingale]

For one thing garbage in, garbage out. And automobiles allows the young adult to be independent of their parents.

Mine do not have phones or computers. They have pianos, books, art supplies, a garden, science projects, balls, cookbooks, a kitchen, and board games.

But a car is necessary.

Yes, it does allow independence from parents. That allows for confidence. Where does confidence come from? Being competent. You want well-rounded capable adults. They are not children for the rest of their lives and need resilience and confidence.


The reason for no phones and computers is simple: it doesn't help families. It causes mental health issues. It removes ingenuity and leaves no room for growth. How many arguments have you seen families have about a video game or kids doing things on social media? It's stupid.

And do they miss it? Sometimes. But they forget when they are given something to do, or learn, or play.

 

[Grailhunter]

Mine do not have phones or computers. They have pianos, books, art supplies, a garden, science projects, balls, cookbooks, a kitchen, and board games.

But a car is necessary.

Yes, it does allow independence from parents. That allows for confidence. Where does confidence come from? Being competent. You want well-rounded capable adults. They are not children for the rest of their lives and need resilience and confidence.


The reason for no phones and computers is simple: it doesn't help families. It causes mental health issues. It removes ingenuity and leaves no room for growth. How many arguments have you seen families have about a video game or kids doing things on social media? It's stupid.

And do they miss it? Sometimes. But they forget when they are given something to do, or learn, or play.

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Not all young adults are the same but still they do not have the experience that we do. Innocence can be coerced by peer pressure. I am not judging parents. Some school buses are not safe and some school bus routes are long. So an automobile is necessary, but it is just another thing to watch.

I am sorry if it sound like I am paranoid, but the footprints of the devil walks among social groups. Some people deal with it by being separatists, but then the children have less experience with being social.

Church going kids understand why they should not have smart phones and automobiles and the issues with television programs but they still do not like it….because everyone else has them. And I am not on my soup box, the truth is my kids had vehicles and smart phones….and it was a mistake. I gave in because their mom and they thought it was their right to have vehicles and a smart phone. Sometimes to do the right thing the father has to be “the bad” guy.

I have few friends that are in law enforcement and they see the issues with smart phones and young people having vehicles. But a lot of them made the same mistake I did. It is just not socially acceptable to deny your kids smart phones and vehicles.

My kids are grown in church now….the funny….now they say their kids will not have smart phones and vehicles.

 

[BlueNightingale]

Not all young adults are the same but still they do not have the experience that we do. Innocence can be coerced by peer pressure. I am not judging parents. Some school buses are not safe and some school bus routes are long. So an automobile is necessary, but it is just another thing to watch.

I am sorry if it sound like I am paranoid, but the footprints of the devil walks among social groups. Some people deal with it by being separatists, but then the children have less experience with being social.

Church going kids understand why they should not have smart phones and automobiles and the issues with television programs but they still do not like it….because everyone else has them. And I am not on my soup box, the truth is my kids had vehicles and smart phones….and it was a mistake. I gave in because their mom and they thought it was their right to have vehicles and a smart phone. Sometimes to do the right thing the father has to be “the bad” guy.

I have few friends that are in law enforcement and they see the issues with smart phones and young people having vehicles. But a lot of them made the same mistake I did. It is just not socially acceptable to deny your kids smart phones and vehicles.

My kids are grown in church now….the funny….now they say their kids will not have smart phones and vehicles.

I didn't have any of it. I moved out at 15, due to abuse from extended family members. (Not by parents.)

I did buy a cellphone later in life. I needed a car, bought two, couldn't drive them because of anxiety, still struggle. But recently, someone took me to work and a flash of the sun hit my eyes and I started to get nauseated and wondered if I would be able to. (Light sensitivity issues)

I don't think there is any other struggle I have had in my life that has brought me so much criticism and feeling of inadequacy. I would not want that for anyone else.

But I agree, young people don't need smartphones, and neither do most adults.

 

[Grailhunter]

I don't think there is any other struggle I have had in my life that has brought me so much criticism and feeling of inadequacy.

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying you have got criticism because of your issues with driving?

Also the abuse you experienced outside your family? I have had to deal with abuse victims. Of course I analyze everything. I have helped abuse victims, but I am also interested in the psycho of the abusers.

It not just hatefulness. They have the ability to sense victim scenarios. In other words not only a person that is innocent but also will not retaliate and do not have others that will defend them. The question I ask is….is it an observation or a sense and what psychological benefit is it to them or is it devil driven.

 

[BlueNightingale]

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying you have got criticism because of your issues with driving?

Also the abuse you experienced outside your family? I have had to deal with abuse victims. Of course I analyze everything. I have helped abuse victims, but I am also interested in the psycho of the abusers.

It not just hatefulness. They have the ability to sense victim scenarios. In other words not only a person that is innocent but also will not retaliate and do not have others that will defend them. The question I ask is….is it an observation or a sense and what psychological benefit is it to them or is it devil driven.

Yes, a lot. A lot of ridicule.

But I think in this case it was dementia. They are long passed now.

But for other stuff, I think you hit the nail on the head.

I don't really know exactly, but I feel like for a lot of men who had troubled fathers, they follow in the same footsteps. Generational thing.

I think a lot of public schools cause a lot of harm too because you just have a whole mixed bag of different kids, some coming from bad homes and bringing in that bad negative influence.

I mean I don't know how far back this goes, but when I was a teen in the early 2000s, toxicity and depression were considered cool.

Where we ever got that idea, I don't know.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The world is full of things that are bad. even adults can be lead astray, take the COVID shots with no regard what so ever even if it's totaly expermental stupidity !
The majority just jump directly for anything in fact. So it clearly goes to show that most such people would be easy to take Drugs from any idiot in fact ! not to mention drugs from Doctors with no regard like my stupid mum. the idiot thinks that the drugs are for X, Y, or Z !
No ! they are not as simple as that at all !
I have seen such nonsense peddled like that, is such is just so foolish, and it's Doctors handing out such crap !

The system clearly do not give a rats !
It's criminal intent ! not to mention the same deal regardless what it is and not to mention it's all hidden from view of the majority, try calling such things out and you will have no hope !
The system will destroy anyone who trys expose such ! To much money is involved ?

So in regards 16yo they have to learn reality some how ! School system has no regards maturity as many teachers maturity is questionable ? just a mob of dingbats indoctrinating children ! sadly.

I needed to drive a car from when I was 16yo for doing work all over the place. I was so angery to be treated that way by the Law system, their was no reason why I should not drive at all ! I had my first car at 13yo and drove about in the bush land we had and mates land. yep flat out and all, but on the road when got Lic No ! not at all that was different !
Sure big City driving nowadays is another ball game regardless of age as well ! it takes experiance to deal with such regardless !
But we have idiots in 4x4 mainly who drive far to cloase to try and intimidate others in front to drive faster and it's mainly 4X4 who are always speeding ! The Government are so pathetic that we have 3 or 4 laine HWY that all sit on the same speed limit, slow cars should keep left and faster in the righthand lane, and never overtake on the left ! but oh boy ! how many morons plod along in the fast lane, so then people have to zig zag . morons speed past the on ramps ! in regards age well old people are a problem just as bad as P plate drivers I would say and Volvo drivers.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes, a lot. A lot of ridicule.

But I think in this case it was dementia. They are long passed now.

But for other stuff, I think you hit the nail on the head.

I don't really know exactly, but I feel like for a lot of men who had troubled fathers, they follow in the same footsteps. Generational thing.

I think a lot of public schools cause a lot of harm too because you just have a whole mixed bag of different kids, some coming from bad homes and bringing in that bad negative influence.

I mean I don't know how far back this goes, but when I was a teen in the early 2000s, toxicity and depression were considered cool.

Where we ever got that idea, I don't know.

I think it was the Socialist who promoted that state of depresion idolising !
I think it was the UK that started with That, Are you alright ! crap.
Then the Socialist pushed the mental health line ! Oh I was informed the younger generation have to have a day of every week for their state of mental health ! so it's only a 4 day week that they do !

Problem dads and mums mainly due to drugs or drinking too much or were in War and messed up and some of the doctor gived the drugs they took made them become such idots.
I would see such as that in some mates dad's etc, like he is just the same type of total moron as another !
lets say, I said how are you going to them, answer is always the same regardless, up to sh1t ! no conversation skills at all and rude moronic clowns, seen many of them !
never will they talk to you unless they want something from you.
they are in their own little world and the poor wife has to deal with such an idiot who is abusive and a Pig of a man.
Not all were like that, but I was not suprised at such clowns.
Takes a hero to be like that ? how inspiring ! or is it just a case of, do not talk, for if they do, they will remove all doubt of what they truly are.
I talk with my old good mates kids freely and openly and they openly love me talking with them.

 

[Josho]

There is a push for 17 year olds to be able to drive on their own in my part of Aus, don't know if it ever gets through though, but it's more for work related reasons as the reasoning behind the push. As some of them are apprentices.

 

[BlueNightingale]

There is a push for 17 year olds to be able to drive on their own in my part of Aus, don't know if it ever gets through though, but it's more for work related reasons as the reasoning behind the push. As some of them are apprentices.

Here it's age 15 to drive. Kids start working around that time, too.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Here it's age 15 to drive. Kids start working around that time, too.

I remember when people were say 15, 17 or onwards, that they were more mature in the head by far, than they were in their 30 plus in fact !

Like one would say, he was a good person once, but now he is a total moron ! seriously ! drugs, drinking like a fool, you name it, can change a person.

 

[Iina]

If you live in America you need a car. You can't walk anywhere, everything is highways. Public transportation is full of criminals and homeless junkies and children should not use it. Neither should women, or the elderly. The sidewalks are full of homeless junkies and criminals, too. Frankly, you shouldn't live in America.
Children need early exposure to electronics, but not access to the internet.

 

[David Lamb]

If you live in America you need a car. You can't walk anywhere, everything is highways. Public transportation is full of criminals and homeless junkies and children should not use it. Neither should women, or the elderly. The sidewalks are full of homeless junkies and criminals, too. Frankly, you shouldn't live in America.
Children need early exposure to electronics, but not access to the internet.

Is it really that bad? Don't you have pavements? (I think you call them "sidewalks." - in fact I have just noticed that you mention them in your post.) Is your pubic transport really overrun with criminals and junkies?

 

[Iina]

Is it really that bad? Don't you have pavements? (I think you call them "sidewalks." - in fact I have just noticed that you mention them in your post.) Is your pubic transport really overrun with criminals and junkies?

By the Grace of God I'm not an American, but:

1. The American cities and the suburbs, they are made for the cars. This has been like this since 1950s time.
2. These American suburbs, they are made on purpose to be divided up, with fences and dead-end streets and such things. This is so that the "not wanted" people cannot come there so easy, not walking and not driving also.
3. America is very big country, so between the towns and the shops there can be very long distances. Because of this, it is not practical thing to walk to places (especially when you must carry something back with you, like food shopping from grocery store).
4. The big American cities, they all have these areas where the crazy people walk around. These people, they use drugs and they shout to nothing. Some cities are worse than others for this problem. But the main thing that keeps these homeless camp people in their place is that the American suburbs are made on purpose so that the walking people who don't live there cannot go through them so easy.

 

[amigo de christo]

There is a push for 17 year olds to be able to drive on their own in my part of Aus, don't know if it ever gets through though, but it's more for work related reasons as the reasoning behind the push. As some of them are apprentices.

we could all drive at sixteen . driving dont concern me . but as for all that other stuff
them kids DO NOT NEED IT .

 

[Jay Ross]

@Josho

There is one jurisdiction within the Australian commonwealth where young people can get a car driver's licence at the age of 16. When they apply for a car learner's permit at 15 years of age, they are given a motor bike licence with restrictions. Then when they turn16 years old, they get a driver's licence.

There are quirks that are different between this jurisdiction and the rest of Australia. For example, a rape trial was delayed for a time to allow the governing assembly to alter the statutes regarding the penalties regarding rape. The law for a guilty finding of rape was hanging and so to align this jurisdiction with the rest of Australia, the applicable laws for this jurisdiction had to be modified before the trial was allowed to proceed further.

Many of the states had differing laws and in QLD, a person after they turn 16 can apply for a car learner's permit. However, to be able to apply for the Learner's permit they have to pass an online test with respect to the road rules. After receiving the learner's permit, they are not allowed to proceed with the driving test until they have received 100 hours of training including a number of hours from a professional driving school and be over 17 years of age.

I have helped train three grandchildren, and they all got their driver's licence the first time they went for their driving test, The fourth grandchild I start training after new year.

It is not unusual for the laws to be different in adjoining states or between states within a country.

Remember, being allowed within a particular jurisdiction to drive a car, own and use a firearm, become a doctor, nurse etc., etc. is a privilege and not a right. The privileges come with responsibilities that have to be adhere too.

Sadly, people want the privileges but will not willingly commit to the associated responsibilities that come with those same privileges. This is the main cause for all of the chaos that is seen around the world today.

 

[Taken]

Do young adults 17 and under need automobiles, smart phones, and unrestricted access to computers and television?

Need? No.
Want? Yes.

 

[GodsGrace]

By the Grace of God I'm not an American, but:

1. The American cities and the suburbs, they are made for the cars. This has been like this since 1950s time.
2. These American suburbs, they are made on purpose to be divided up, with fences and dead-end streets and such things. This is so that the "not wanted" people cannot come there so easy, not walking and not driving also.
3. America is very big country, so between the towns and the shops there can be very long distances. Because of this, it is not practical thing to walk to places (especially when you must carry something back with you, like food shopping from grocery store).
4. The big American cities, they all have these areas where the crazy people walk around. These people, they use drugs and they shout to nothing. Some cities are worse than others for this problem. But the main thing that keeps these homeless camp people in their place is that the American suburbs are made on purpose so that the walking people who don't live there cannot go through them so easy.

You don't have very nice things to say about what is STILL the best country in the world.

But it's OK.
No one is forcing you to move there...so all is OK and you could sleep well at night.

I'm sure Jakarta is a very rich and pleasant city where there are no poor persons and everything is perfect.
So I'm happy to know that you'll continue to live there.

PS
You've been watching too many movies.

 

[Josho]

we could all drive at sixteen . driving dont concern me . but as for all that other stuff
them kids DO NOT NEED IT .

Debatable, smartphones of course can be used for good and bad, however phones for teenagers in today's world, I think it's something good for them to have for their own safety. And computers, unfortunately a lot of homework and assignments are done on computers now and have been for over the last 10 years. So it's kind of necessary, unless if this world goes back to old times.

 

[JohnDB]

Is it really that bad? Don't you have pavements? (I think you call them "sidewalks." - in fact I have just noticed that you mention them in your post.) Is your pubic transport really overrun with criminals and junkies?

Suburbs dont have pavements....there are usually none leading to local marketplaces. Most of the USA is rural. Its has a thing they refer to as urban sprawl. Your large cities usually encompass several counties...with large sections of undeveloped areas.
As such is often the case, public transportation is often extremely limited to the point of inconvenience and completely wasteful. There are a few cities like New York City where its advantageous to use....but it still requires a lot of extra time every day to commute to work. I required about an extra 5-6 hours a day to travel into New York City and back home....and with 8-10 hr work days....it left little time for much of anything else on days I worked. I walked to the train station in NYC (grand central) but had to drive or be driven in our suburban town. Even inside the city when staying there with friends the subway required 90 minutes to get anywhere.

So....
Out in the rest of America, and especially rural communities teenagers learning to drive is a right of passage and a necessary function of life. Bicycles can be used but are are often impractical for labor intensive jobs. Schools use busses....but again add hours to commute times and can keep teens from getting after school employment.

Cell phones have made public payphones extinct. They literally dont exist anymore. There may be an odd one here and there...but there arent enough to use. The real trouble is the smartphones vx just having a true phone. A phone without a camera or internet access does exist....but again another rare commodity that is extremely uncommon.

Laptop computers and internet access are a requirement post-covid for even grade schoolers. Their homework assignments are posted and turned in by websites. It has made it that getting sick or snow days no longer exempts a child from classes anymore. (Much to their chagrin)

Broadcast television has practically become extinct. Internet television through streaming services are rather normal anymore. Not even cable television is the norm anymore.

However, there are a plethora of monitoring software programs that can monitor or limit your child's access to questionable material to view or send. Which has become a point of contention. Do children have a right to digital privacy? Especially when we have a huge amount of predators that are preying upon our children...even schoolteachers and counselors.

Where we all enjoy thoughts of living in some form of democracy and often questionable free speech my home is a benevolent dictatorship without any such rights of free speech or digital privacy. My wife looks through my phone regularly....often because some things are confusing to me but not her....but sometimes to her as well. I could look through hers....but I dont.

Just saying that children are just that....children. I don't leave them alone in the bus station....I simply stay by their side to protect them...even from themselves if need be.