The extortion gospel - "believe or burn" - not really a choice

[XtraPercept]

You talk about...

I talk about what I know. I speak with Certainty. Not for anything of me, not from anything of me, I am but a vessel of His Majesty, effusive for the glory of my privilege to deliver His truth. I will never turn from my Master, I cannot see without Him. You cannot see without Him either, which is why you are still blinded to Him now.

You are so accustomed to imitation that you take offense to the genuine article. You see enough of His appeal to pursue Him as you do, but you must trust His love. I have no fear, nothing can hurt me, I am eternal, all because He loves me. You fear His wrath because you do not trust His love and you claim to know the truth.

Jesus told the pharisees that they would be less guilty if they were blind, but it was because they said that they see that they were more guilty! Admit, confess, and trust. He already does everything despite us, and it's wonderful when He reveals this to us.

 

[bdavidc]

I talk about what I know. I speak with Certainty. Not for anything of me, not from anything of me, I am but a vessel of His Majesty, effusive for the glory of my privilege to deliver His truth. I will never turn from my Master, I cannot see without Him. You cannot see without Him either, which is why you are still blinded to Him now.

You are so accustomed to imitation that you take offense to the genuine article. You see enough of His appeal to pursue Him as you do, but you must trust His love. I have no fear, nothing can hurt me, I am eternal, all because He loves me. You fear His wrath because you do not trust His love and you claim to know the truth.

Jesus told the pharisees that they would be less guilty if they were blind, but it was because they said that they see that they were more guilty! Admit, confess, and trust. He already does everything despite us, and it's wonderful when He reveals this to us.

You are just full of yourself and trying to act like you know the truth. You sound like a mystic and are just trying to impress. What you say is just made up and has nothing to do with the biblical truth. What you say is not revelation. Stop trying to impress people and open the Bible.

 

[pandaflower]

There's a difference between religion and spiritual union with God.

Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man ... living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.

George Carlin

 

[St. SteVen]

You are just full of yourself and trying to act like you know the truth. You sound like a mystic and are just trying to impress. What you say is just made up and has nothing to do with the biblical truth. What you say is not revelation. Stop trying to impress people and open the Bible.

I have had about enough of your personal attacks against a fellow forum member. Knock it off.

[ cc: @XtraPercept

 

[XtraPercept]

No harm, no foul.

 

[bdavidc]

I have had about enough of your personal attacks against a fellow forum member. Knock it off.

[ cc: @XtraPercept

I have XtraPercept on Ignore for a reason. I don’t need you reposting what I’ve already chosen not to hear from a false teacher. And now I’m putting you on Ignore too, because I’m not interested in hearing any more of your unbiblical teaching either.

Let’s be clear: I haven’t attacked anyone. I’ve stood for the truth of God’s Word. What I will not tolerate is false teachers who promote themselves, distort Scripture, and try to silence correction by calling it “personal attack.” If you oppose what the Bible says, don’t expect silence in return. I'm done with both of you.

 

[XtraPercept]

That was a wonderful conversation. He was very skilled in his presentation and clearly knew his position well. He provided me with an opportunity to share that few could have. He is blessed.

 

[Lambano]

Is this what God wants?

 

[amigo de christo]

Is this really what is preached "from most pulpits"?
In my experience, Hell is rarely if ever mentioned.

Pray about this .
But according to st steven , CHRIST who warned out against hellfires would be extorting .
Paul and others who warned about such a place would be extorters
As would the book of revelation .
St steven is actually accusing GOD himself .
There is nothing wrong with warning .
We should be doing both .
Even paul warned the jews who failed to beleive on HIM
Even peter warned them beware lest that come upon you which is written
Behold wonder and PERISH for i work a work in your days that though a man declare it unto you , you will not beleive .
THEY all warned .
Peter , save yourselves from this untoward generation .
Paul , HOW much sorer a punishment for those who trod Christ under foot .
St steven has become highly infected with this other way of evangelising . Which is no good .
And its no suprise he is of the inclusive realm either .
WE need to behold BOTH the goodness and serverity of GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sounds like the words of Christ, John the Baptist, OT Prophets and the Apostles

Therefore i AGREE with "them thar words"

Behold therefore both the goodness and severity of GOD .
st steven is leading this people astray as have many .
Jesus warned of hell fire all right .
And HE spoke of the only way to be saved , as in BELIEVE YE IN HIM or PERISH .
But oh my to say the word perish is extorting to st steven . This is nothing more than the
stuff they pumped out long ago to the churches to confuse them and to silence correction of sins
and even unbeleif in time .
But i want us to all go back and read the gospels . LET US SEE if JESUS ever warned
THEN read the book of acts and see IF the apostels ever warned or else .
Then read their letters and see if they warned
and to sum it all up THEN READ revelation and see IF warnings were not given
and such a place known as the lake of fire was not mentioned .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sounds like the words of Christ, John the Baptist, OT Prophets and the Apostles

Therefore i AGREE with "them thar words"

Then go to and behold a lot of churches . YOU SEE how well this omitting and air conditioning the lake of fire worked out .
See how this not correcting sins and errors has worked out .
NOT GOOD . now all we see is a one sided false version of love that accepts sins , unbeleif
That is what happens when folks DO NOT behold both the goodness and severity of GOD .
EVIL comes in and takes over and it did .
Till now we dont even have a shadow of the truth the true church once had .
Always they say DONT judge
always they say dont extort
BUT THEN that is HOW LEAVEN DID take over and that is why now more and more even accept
UNBELIEF as other religoins are now welcomed in under the guise we all serve the same GOD .
BIG OL happy end , OR SO THEY THINK .
Because THAT LIE is not gonna give them their big ol happy , non lake of fire universal salvation .
NO , ITS GONNA LEAD THEM RIGHT TO THE VERY LAKE OF FIRE .
Deny GOD and see what happens .
And if you dont mind i want to say one more thing , ANY WHO DENIES JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY HAVE DENIED GOD .

 

[bdavidc]

Is this what God wants?

No, that is not what God wants. The Bible is clear that fear of man is not the aim, and hatred is not the measure by which God has called His people to live. The fear God calls us to is the fear of Him, holy reverence for Him that results in obedience and faith. Proverbs 9: 10 states, “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,” not fear of men. Caligula may have been a king, but he spoke for the pride and cruelty of this world. The Lord does not receive his spirit. In Micah 6: 8, He tells us what He does require: “to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.” Jesus commanded us to love our enemies, not to love being hated by them (Matthew 5:44). Paul exhorted Christians to live peaceably with all men, “if it be possible, as much as lieth in you” (Romans 12:18). God is not a God of terror, not a God who delights in domination. He calls rulers to be servants for good (Romans 13: 4), not “lords” who expect to be feared and hated. He alone is to be feared (Matthew 10: 28), and the command for us is to love Him with all our heart, soul, and mind, and to love our neighbor as ourselves (Matthew 22:37–39). Anything less is to rebel against His Word.

 

[Jack]

Is the gospel preached from most pulpits really a choice?
What are the stated consequences for refusing the "free gift" of eternal life?

The "believe or burn" gospel amounts to extortion.
A decision based on fear of the stated consequences for refusal.

- Does God honor a decision based on fear?
- Does God support the "believe or burn" gospel?
- If so, what sort of God is He?

--- PARODY ---

Person #1: Receive the free gift of eternal life.
Person #2: No thanks.
Person #1: I said it was free.
Person #2: There must be some strings attached.
Person #1: Well, of course.
Person #2: It's not a free gift then, right?
Person #1: You had better take it... or else!
Person #2: Say what?
Person #1: Otherwise you will be incinerated!
Person #2: What sort of free gift is that?

Indeed.

[

Is the only reason you're in a Christian forum to attack the Bible?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Then go to and behold a lot of churches . YOU SEE how well this omitting and air conditioning the lake of fire worked out .
See how this not correcting sins and errors has worked out .
NOT GOOD . now all we see is a one sided false version of love that accepts sins , unbeleif
That is what happens when folks DO NOT behold both the goodness and severity of GOD .
EVIL comes in and takes over and it did .
Till now we dont even have a shadow of the truth the true church once had .
Always they say DONT judge
always they say dont extort
BUT THEN that is HOW LEAVEN DID take over and that is why now more and more even accept
UNBELIEF as other religoins are now welcomed in under the guise we all serve the same GOD .
BIG OL happy end , OR SO THEY THINK .
Because THAT LIE is not gonna give them their big ol happy , non lake of fire universal salvation .
NO , ITS GONNA LEAD THEM RIGHT TO THE VERY LAKE OF FIRE .
Deny GOD and see what happens .
And if you dont mind i want to say one more thing , ANY WHO DENIES JESUS THE CHRIST , THEY HAVE DENIED GOD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Behold therefore both the goodness and severity of GOD .
st steven is leading this people astray as have many .
Jesus warned of hell fire all right .
And HE spoke of the only way to be saved , as in BELIEVE YE IN HIM or PERISH .
But oh my to say the word perish is extorting to st steven . This is nothing more than the
stuff they pumped out long ago to the churches to confuse them and to silence correction of sins
and even unbeleif in time .
But i want us to all go back and read the gospels . LET US SEE if JESUS ever warned
THEN read the book of acts and see IF the apostels ever warned or else .
Then read their letters and see if they warned
and to sum it all up THEN READ revelation and see IF warnings were not given
and such a place known as the lake of fire was not mentioned .

@amigo de christo

 

[Jack]

Satan has been VERY busy, even preaching in Churches!

Most Church goers don't even know this is in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[Hiddenthings]

Satan has been VERY busy, even preaching in Churches!

Most Church goers don't even know this is in the Bible:

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

In the context of the Pharisees pretending to be sheep, it’s clear that even today wolves can slip into many congregations, disguising themselves as true believers of the Gospel.

Satan here refers to the Jewish adversaries seeking to undermine Paul’s authority (cf. Rom 16:17–20). Like the serpent in Eden, they disguised themselves as ‘angels’ or messengers of God, claiming to possess knowledge that ‘Eve’, the church supposedly lacked (cf. 2 Cor 11:3).

A number of warnings exist with your weak approach.

Can you see them?

 

[pandaflower]

Is the gospel preached from most pulpits really a choice?
What are the stated consequences for refusing the "free gift" of eternal life?

The "believe or burn" gospel amounts to extortion.
A decision based on fear of the stated consequences for refusal.

- Does God honor a decision based on fear?
- Does God support the "believe or burn" gospel?
- If so, what sort of God is He?

--- PARODY ---

Person #1: Receive the free gift of eternal life.
Person #2: No thanks.
Person #1: I said it was free.
Person #2: There must be some strings attached.
Person #1: Well, of course.
Person #2: It's not a free gift then, right?
Person #1: You had better take it... or else!
Person #2: Say what?
Person #1: Otherwise you will be incinerated!
Person #2: What sort of free gift is that?

Indeed.

[

Spurgeon taught the turn or burn doctrine.

The worst black eye the Church could give God is their invention of a fire and brimstone Hell.Then,they later burned people alive,mandated attendance by congregants,so they could get the message .

Believe in and obey the church or else.

 

[Behold]

Spurgeon taught the turn or burn doctrine.

Going to Heaven or going to Hell, is a personal choice.

Heaven and Hell are eternal destinations.

Everyone gets to choose , before you die, where you are going to spend YOUR eternity.

Where is Hell located? Its located at the end of a Christ rejectlng, never born again.. life.

Heaven is the opposite situation and location.


Has everyone chosen?

If not.....Hebrews 9:27 is coming for you, so, you need to wake up and make that eternal choice.

A.) God will honor YOUR Choice., after you die.

 

[Jack]

In the context of the Pharisees pretending to be sheep, it’s clear that even today wolves can slip into many congregations, disguising themselves as true believers of the Gospel.

Satan here refers to the Jewish adversaries seeking to undermine Paul’s authority (cf. Rom 16:17–20). Like the serpent in Eden, they disguised themselves as ‘angels’ or messengers of God, claiming to possess knowledge that ‘Eve’, the church supposedly lacked (cf. 2 Cor 11:3).

A number of warnings exist with your weak approach.

Can you see them?

I can see Paul's perfectly clear warning to ALL of us. Churches are filled with people heading for Hell Fire!