Revelation 12 walk through

[Bladerunner]

The abomination of desolation statue image will be placed on the temple mount and will become animated that it speaks and breathes. It will demand worship.

Jesus is not going to although that sort blasphemous activity to go on for 45 days after He returns.

what is the abomination of desolate "statue image"???????/It will be the son of perdition, Satan in the Holy of Holies crying He is GOD.

 

[Douggg]

What do you get as the Sum when you add the latter 30 day period of Dan.12 onto that latter 1260 days? 1260 + 1260 + 30 = 2550 days. That Sum leaves... what the Daniel 9:27 prophetic "one week" of 7 years represents.

2550 days is more than 7 years.

And when the "abomination of desolation" is placed in Jerusalem, at that moment starts the latter 1260 day period which is when the "great tribulation" will take place.

No, the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup 1335 days before Jesus returns.

 

[Davy]

The abomination of desolation statue image will be placed on the temple mount and will become animated that it speaks and breathes. It will demand worship.

Jesus is not going to although that sort blasphemous activity to go on for 45 days after He returns.

The placing of and false worship involving the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at the end of this world, is for the "great tribulation" time, not for AFTER Jesus returns.

 

[Bladerunner]

2550 days is more than 7 years.

exactly what I said.. the 70th week is 7 years....the extra days of Dan 11,12 chapters are after the 7 years. The end of the seven years will be the Battle of Armageddon. the extra days comes after this event and before the Millennium begins.

No, the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup 1335 days before Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

what is the abomination of desolate "statue image"???????/It will be the son of perdition, Satan in the Holy of Holies crying He is GOD.

The abomination of desolation statue image will be the image that false prophet has the people of the world make of the image of the beast-king. Once made, Satan is going to indwell the image making it appear to come to life and speak.

Revelation 13:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 

[Davy]

2550 days is more than 7 years.

Whadda' ya' know, it sure is!

IF... you try to add the 30 days of Daniel 12 onto the "one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27, then you get the SUM 2550 days, and NOT 2520 days.

The way Daniel 12 comes about the 1290 days is with adding the 30 days onto the LATTER 1260 day HALF of the "one week". And the 1335 days of Dan.12 is derived by adding the 45 days onto that.

No, the abomination of desolation statue image will be setup 1335 days before Jesus returns.

No, you are still confused about the "one week" period ONLY involving 2ea. periods of 1260 days each. When Daniel 9:27 says the AOD will be setup in the MIDDLE, or MIDST, or HALF of the "one week", it literally means at the end of the 1st 1260 day period.

1st 1260 days. Setup of AOD. 2nd 1260 day period. In that order.

 

[Douggg]

The placing of and false worship involving the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at the end of this world, is for the "great tribulation" time, not for AFTER Jesus returns.

That's what I am saying. Jesus is going to destroy the abomination of desolation IDOL the day of His return.

1335 days before Jesus returns, the abomination of desolation IDOL will be setup on the temple mount.

 

[Douggg]

IF... you try to add the 30 days of Daniel 12 onto the "one week" (7 years) of Dan.9:27, then you get the SUM 2550 days, and NOT 2520 days.

There will not be 30 days added to the 7 years, nor 45 days added to the 7 years.

1st 1260 days. Setup of AOD. 2nd 1260 day period. In that order.

No. day 1 the 7 years begin. Then day 1185 the abomination of desolation IDOL setup. Then day 2520 the 7 years end.

 

[Davy]

1335 days before Jesus returns, the abomination of desolation IDOL will be setup on the temple mount.

No, because the above 1335 days messes up the total SUM of the 7 years period, and when Daniel 9:27 says the "abomination of desolation" is placed.

You can keep trying to manipulate your little numbers game here, but I won't slip up, so you might as well stop it.

[.................."one week" = 7 years (2520 days)---------][-Jesus comes-]
[------1260 days------][AOD][------1260 days-------][day of the Lord]
[-------------------------------------------------------][----30 days----][--45-- days]
[-------------------------------------------------------][---cleansing---][--blessing--]

YOUR... wrongly placed 1335 days for the AOD...
[---------------------][AOD][-------------------------]
[------------]AOD][----------1335 days--------------]

 

[Davy]

There will not be 30 days added to the 7 years, nor 45 days added to the 7 years.

Yes there will be, as I showed in MY chart.

 

[Bladerunner]

The abomination of desolation statue image will be the image that false prophet has the people of the world make of the image of the beast-king. Once made, Satan is going to indwell the image making it appear to come to life and speak.

Revelation 13:
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

this beast you speak of is the antichrist who apparently is dead because of a head wound that Satan brings back to life.

 

[Douggg]

No, you are still confused about the "one week" period ONLY involving 2ea. periods of 1260 days each. When Daniel 9:27 says the AOD will be setup in the MIDDLE, or MIDST, or HALF of the "one week", it literally means at the end of the 1st 1260 day period.

You are confusing Middle, Midst, as meaning EXACT middle - i.e day 1260. day 1185 is in the middle part, i.e. midst, of the 7 years.

 

[Douggg]

Yes there will be, as I showed in MY chart.

You made a chart ?

 

[Bladerunner]

You are confusing Middle, Midst, as meaning EXACT middle - i.e day 1260. day 1185 is in the middle part, i.e. midst, of the 7 years.

 

[Bladerunner]

No the 1260 days is 3.5 years. exactly If you d not agree, take it up with GOD, those are His Words.

 

[TribulationSigns]

(Chapter 6 - Revelation 12:16 revisit)

I believe that I already explained verse 16 eariler so we will move on to verse 17:

Rev 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan is enraged or wroth with the woman because she is of God. He goes to make war with the remnant of her seed. Her seed is Christ! The remnant of her seed are all those left after Satan's fall. Namely, the 1/3 who were not cut off but brought through the fire. This is the remnant Chosen by Grace. Satan makes war with those who keep God's word faithfully, and whose testimony is faithful.

Revelation chapter 11 talks about the Church that testifies the same 1260 days (the "2" Candlesticks, Olive Trees, Prophets, Witnesses) and who keep the testimony of Christ and says the is loosed and makes war with them. It's the same symbolism. The Church in the wilderness 1260 days or time, times and a half, until her testimony is finished and Satan is loosed.

NOTE: Makes war with them (scripture says) ONLY AFTER their testimony is finished, only after the 1260 days (synonymous with time, times and a half - Rev. 12:6, 14) are accomplished as in Revelation 11:7. Only then will the beast overcome the Church and "spiritually" kill the Witnesses. That is not an insignificant point!

This is the remnant of the woman's seed whom satan will war with. These are those who have the testimony of Christ. This will take place after the 1260 days (spiritually speaking). The Churches are made Apostate by the beast. It's as if the Two Witnesses (Where two are gathered together in My name, there am I in the MIDST of them; -Mat.18:20) are dead because the Word which is the Life, is no longer in the Churches. When a Church goes Apostate, Christ is taken out of the Midst, and it is as a dead church. That's what Revelation chapter 11 speaks about. The gospel truth is silenced in the Churches, and no one cares that it is no longer preached. When Revelation 11 says they rejoiced when the Lord's witnesses were killed, this is the picture in view. They rejoiced because the truth torments those who don't want to hear it. They are delighted that it's no longer in the Churches because they are deceived into thinking they are true Christians and can exchange gifts of false doctrines. The last 3 and 1/2 (time, times and a half) is what takes place after they are killed. It's the 3 and 1/2 days that they lie in the street, no one caring to bury them, signifies that when the gospel witness is silenced, no one cares that it's dead. It's what's spoken of in:

Dan 7:25-26
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
(26) But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Satan comes through men (aka false prophets and christs) speaking great Words against God in His Temple (Congregations). THIS is an abomination that will leave it desolate. They will wear out the Saints who are given into his hand. In other words, the false prophets and christs look like they has triumphed over faithful witnesses with lies and false doctrines. People are glad that they don't have to deal with the true Word of God in the Churches anymore. They are happy there is liberal thinking in the churches. They rejoice that those who quote Scripture are dead (symbolically) and they don't care about them. That's the symbolic language of Revelation 11 of people seeing their dead bodies three and half days and not bothering to bury them with respect. For example, when you love someone and they die, you bury them. But these don't love the truth, they don't care that it's gone. They rejoice that it's gone. This is how they are DECEIVED by the beast, but after 3 and 1/2 days, these believers rise up and come out of this Church, as the spirit of life from God enters them to move them.

The first half of the week is what is happening to the Church preaching the Gospel to the world, safe from Satan's harm, for a time, times and a half or 1260 days. They are building the Holy Temple, filling in people who have been sealed by God. We are "LIVING" stones in this Holy Temple. The last half of the week is what happens after their testimony is complete. This is when Satan is loosed and starts to overcome and eventually kill the Faithful Witnesses in the church, again, symbolically. IN other words, the truthful witnesses has been silenced.

Messiah the prince came to confirm (Strengthen) the Covenant by His Death. (Hebrews 9:15,16,17)



The overview of Revelation Chapter 12 is of the Church Israel as Christ comes and delivers her to the assault on her by satan and his minions. She is typed as a woman bringing to birth and fed in the wilderness while the time of her testimony is nigh. It starts from before the cross, illustrates the birth of her deliverer, his work, the wilderness journey, to Satan's final attempt to conquer the remnant of her seed for a short season. It's a symbolic picture of the New Covenant with Israel confirmed by Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12 has absolutely nothing to do with counting literal days, with national Israel after Christ’s ascension, with the 70 AD destruction theory, with some future antichrist, with a seven-year peace treaty, or with a so-called third temple. None of that! To twist the chapter into those man-made ideas is to completely miss the point of God’s revelation.

End of study!

@rwb

 

[Bladerunner]

(Chapter 6 - Revelation 12:16 revisit)

I believe that I already explained verse 16 eariler so we will move on to verse 17:

Rev 12:17
(17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Satan is enraged or wroth with the woman because she is of God. He goes to make war with the remnant of her seed. Her seed is Christ! The remnant of her seed are all those left after Satan's fall. Namely, the 1/3 who were not cut off but brought through the fire. This is the remnant Chosen by Grace. Satan makes war with those who keep God's word faithfully, and whose testimony is faithful.

Revelation chapter 11 talks about the Church that testifies the same 1260 days (the "2" Candlesticks, Olive Trees, Prophets, Witnesses) and who keep the testimony of Christ and says the is loosed and makes war with them. It's the same symbolism. The Church in the wilderness 1260 days or time, times and a half, until her testimony is finished and Satan is loosed.

NOTE: Makes war with them (scripture says) ONLY AFTER their testimony is finished, only after the 1260 days (synonymous with time, times and a half - Rev. 12:6, 14) are accomplished as in Revelation 11:7. Only then will the beast overcome the Church and "spiritually" kill the Witnesses. That is not an insignificant point!

This is the remnant of the woman's seed whom satan will war with. These are those who have the testimony of Christ. This will take place after the 1260 days (spiritually speaking). The Churches are made Apostate by the beast. It's as if the Two Witnesses (Where two are gathered together in My name, there am I in the MIDST of them; -Mat.18:20) are dead because the Word which is the Life, is no longer in the Churches. When a Church goes Apostate, Christ is taken out of the Midst, and it is as a dead church. That's what Revelation chapter 11 speaks about. The gospel truth is silenced in the Churches, and no one cares that it is no longer preached. When Revelation 11 says they rejoiced when the Lord's witnesses were killed, this is the picture in view. They rejoiced because the truth torments those who don't want to hear it. They are delighted that it's no longer in the Churches because they are deceived into thinking they are true Christians and can exchange gifts of false doctrines. The last 3 and 1/2 (time, times and a half) is what takes place after they are killed. It's the 3 and 1/2 days that they lie in the street, no one caring to bury them, signifies that when the gospel witness is silenced, no one cares that it's dead. It's what's spoken of in:

Dan 7:25-26
(25) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
(26) But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

Satan comes through men (aka false prophets and christs) speaking great Words against God in His Temple (Congregations). THIS is an abomination that will leave it desolate. They will wear out the Saints who are given into his hand. In other words, the false prophets and christs look like they has triumphed over faithful witnesses with lies and false doctrines. People are glad that they don't have to deal with the true Word of God in the Churches anymore. They are happy there is liberal thinking in the churches. They rejoice that those who quote Scripture are dead (symbolically) and they don't care about them. That's the symbolic language of Revelation 11 of people seeing their dead bodies three and half days and not bothering to bury them with respect. For example, when you love someone and they die, you bury them. But these don't love the truth, they don't care that it's gone. They rejoice that it's gone. This is how they are DECEIVED by the beast, but after 3 and 1/2 days, these believers rise up and come out of this Church, as the spirit of life from God enters them to move them.

The first half of the week is what is happening to the Church preaching the Gospel to the world, safe from Satan's harm, for a time, times and a half or 1260 days. They are building the Holy Temple, filling in people who have been sealed by God. We are "LIVING" stones in this Holy Temple. The last half of the week is what happens after their testimony is complete. This is when Satan is loosed and starts to overcome and eventually kill the Faithful Witnesses in the church, again, symbolically. IN other words, the truthful witnesses has been silenced.

Messiah the prince came to confirm (Strengthen) the Covenant by His Death. (Hebrews 9:15,16,17)

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The overview of Revelation Chapter 12 is of the Church Israel as Christ comes and delivers her to the assault on her by satan and his minions. She is typed as a woman bringing to birth and fed in the wilderness while the time of her testimony is nigh. It starts from before the cross, illustrates the birth of her deliverer, his work, the wilderness journey, to Satan's final attempt to conquer the remnant of her seed for a short season. It's a symbolic picture of the New Covenant with Israel confirmed by Jesus Christ.
Nothing to do with the national Israel, 70AD, future antichrist, 7 years peace treaty, or third temple or anything like that!

End of study!

@rwb

worse than two atheist. Good bye

 

[Davy]

You are confusing Middle, Midst, as meaning EXACT middle - i.e day 1260. day 1185 is in the middle part, i.e. midst, of the 7 years.

It does means EXACTLY HALF.

You can't mess with my ability to measure, I trained as a machinist-mechanic. I know how to read a measuring tape, vernier calipers, etc.

 

[Davy]

You made a chart ?

My post #149, and I didn't even have to use fancy pictures and sensationalism like your chart does!

 

[TribulationSigns]

worse than two atheist. Good bye

And you offered no Biblical rebuttal. Just a denier of the Gospel Truth that I testified.