Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Full preterism is simply believing what the New Testament says. Without a need to create complicated systems, periods, intersections and another Jewish temple unknown to the NT writers.

No, it is not. It's a complete joke. It denies the future glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ when He comes at the last trumpet to resurrect the dead in Christ and gather them, along with those in Christ who are alive and remain to Himself in the air after which we will be with Him forever.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree....it is a part Amillenniallism. they need the Jew to not be a part of GOD's plan.

Full preterism has absolutely nothing to do with Amillennialism. Stop being ignorant and educate yourself. You have no excuse for your ignorance.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Unfortunately for you, God has two plans that He has started with Creation..One for Israel one the earthly millennium and the Gentiles who will be in heaven and on earth. Your hoping the millennium has already been completed that way one does not have to be bothered with Daniel's 70th week which an Amillennialist will tell has already been fulfilled.....Good luck.

You don't understand that God has included Gentile believers in His plans that were only revealed in relation to the Jews in the Old Testament. It was a mystery back then, but is not a mystery anymore. Why is it still a mystery to you? Have you never read this...

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[Bladerunner]

Full preterism has absolutely nothing to do with Amillennialism. Stop being ignorant and educate yourself. You have no excuse for your ignorance.

The why to you believe in preterism or partial preterism?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

got a good head on your shoulders. The prophecy of Daniel 9:24-27 has only partially been fulfilled with the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.The 70th week has yet to come...

Jesus was crucified during the 70th week. Why do you not have His crucifixion occurring during any of the 70 weeks when it was so crucial to the fulfillment of that prophecy?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The why to you believe in preterism or partial preterism?

I don't. Are you somehow not aware that not all Amillennialists are partial preterists?

 

[David in NJ]

I am studying preterism and while I think some of what is claimed by full preterists is true I'm not inclined to believe that all of the prophecies have been fulfilled. In other words, I'm on the proverbial fence. I appreciate any good insights that you can share. Thank you in advance!

SIMPLE

Just one verse(though there are many) from the Holy Spirit destroys the error of "full preterism.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matt 24:31

 

[KUWN]

SIMPLE

Just one verse(though there are many) from the Holy Spirit destroys the error of "full preterism.

"And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matt 24:31

I am guessing you are saying that this gathering together did not happen in 70 AD, we know that this has not happened and history has no record of it. So, it is still to this day prophecy. Good observation.

 

[PinSeeker]

Unfortunately for you...

<chuckles>

No, just one plan, for His Israel, yes, which includes Gentile believers. Crystal clear in the passages I quoted ~Romans 2, 9, and 11, and Ephesians 2 ~ and this one:

"Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us by his Son, Whom He appointed the heir of all things, through Whom also He created the world" (Hebrews 1:1-2).​

Ethnicity is not the determining factor for being part of God's Israel, but all those who are believers, having been born again and thus in Christ. We are all ~ Jew or Gentile ~ one in Christ Jesus, as Paul explicitly says to the Galatians...

"...in Christ Jesus (we) are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of (us) as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for (we) are all one in Christ Jesus. And if (we) are Christ’s, then (we) are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise" (Galatians 3:27-29).​

God has two plans that He has started with Creation..

Only one plan, which was set in motion with God's declaration in Genesis 3:15... and will be brought to completion at the day of Christ.

One for Israel one the earthly millennium and the Gentiles who will be in heaven and on earth.

Ugh. <smile>

Your hoping...

I don't have a hoping; I don't even know what that is. What's a "hoping?" <chuckles>

the millennium has already been completed...

No, we are in the midst of it, and possibly very close, even from our perspective, to the end of it... And every Gentile believer ~ which probably includes you; it certainly includes me ~ is proof of that.

that way one does not have to be bothered with Daniel's 70th week which an Amillennialist will tell has already been fulfilled.....

Hmmm, well if any amillennialist tells you that, that is an indication that they just might be a... bad... amillennialist. <smile>

Good luck.

No such thing. <smile>

Meh. You know, there's no need for such... belligerence...

Grace and peace to you, Bladerunner.

 

[Bladerunner]

Jesus was crucified during the 70th week. Why do you not have His crucifixion occurring during any of the 70 weeks when it was so crucial to the fulfillment of that prophecy?

when Jesus was crucified, that was then of the 69 weeks. Time wise, it is perfect.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

when Jesus was crucified, that was then of the 69 weeks. Time wise, it is perfect.

That is not what the prophecy indicates. Instead, it indicates that He would be cut off some time AFTER the end of the 69th week. Not at the end of the 69th week. Stop twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say. That is inexcusable.

Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

What comes AFTER the 69th week? The 70th week. Jesus was crucified during the 70th week and AFTER the end of the 69th week.

 

[Davy]

That is not what the prophecy indicates. Instead, it indicates that He would be cut off some time AFTER the end of the 69th week. Not at the end of the 69th week. Stop twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say. That is inexcusable.

NOPE! That idea that Christ's Ministry continued past the 69th week of Dan.9 is a FALSE DOCTRINE by the Messianic Jews (like SDA, JW, etc.). Bladerunner was correct; the 69th week ended with Christ's crucifixion. The final 70th week is still yet to be fulfilled today, and will be at the very end of this present world, which is what the Dan.9:27 verse about the orthodox Jews starting up old covenant sacrifices again in Jerusalem, and then the coming Antichrist ending those sacrifices and instead placing the "abomination of desolation" in the holy place at Jerusalem instead, is all... about events at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's future 2nd coming.

To wrongly assume that Jesus' Ministry fulfilled the 70th week (i.e., the Dan.9:27 "one week"), is pretty much BLASPHEMY AGAINST JESUS CHRIST. That is why that false doctrine has FALSE JEW written all over it! It's because those Dan.9:27 events involving the final 70th week involve setting up IDOL WORSHIP in Jerusalem, and Lord Jesus NEVER EVER did any such thing during His Ministry at His 1st coming! Instead, Lord Jesus WARNED about the placing of that "abomination of desolation" idol in Jerusalem for the FUTURE time of "great tribulation" which ONLY is to occur at the very end of this world.

 

[HealthyShape]

No, it is not. It's a complete joke. It denies the future glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ when He comes at the last trumpet to resurrect the dead in Christ and gather them, along with those in Christ who are alive and remain to Himself in the air after which we will be with Him forever.

I said it is simply believing what the New Testament says.

I did not say it is simply believing in today's common futuristic eschatology ideas.

The New Testament does not say that something will happen after 2,000 years. It says something will happen in the lifetime of the authors and of the audience.

Preterism is reading the New Testament as it is, without complicated "plan B", without man-made intersections, without ignoring the explicit timing, without breaking the prophecies and predictions into random pieces "fulfilled-unfulfilled", without endless speculations about the Revelation, antichrist etc.

 

[David in NJ]

I am guessing you are saying that this gathering together did not happen in 70 AD, we know that this has not happened and history has no record of it. So, it is still to this day prophecy. Good observation.

Thank you for sharing reasonable thought based on Truth

“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they will be as white as snow; though they are as red as crimson, they will become like wool. - Isaiah 1:18

 

[Davy]

I would say these types of verses can only be talking about the one true Israel of God, a spiritual Israel, based on faith, not a physical Israel.

That statement above suggests you don't understand your Bible history about God scattering the northern ten tribe kingdom of Israel out of the holy land first, leaving the Jews of the house of Judah at Jerusalem-Judea. It also shows you are not aware of the western migrations of the ten tribes out of their Assyrian captivity when they left the east and went westward into Asia Minor and Europe, and eventually became the western Christian nations. Much of that was prophecy given through God's prophet Hosea.

The reality of what I'm saying, per God's Word, is that probably the majority of the ten scattered tribes of Israel formed Christ's early Church in the Christian west, and that's who Jesus was really pointing to when He said that He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

After God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms per 1 Kings 11, only... the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" became known as the "house of Israel" in later Old Testament Bible history. And when the Jews of the "house of Judah" of the southern "kingdom of Judah" rejected Jesus Christ, The Gospel then went to the Gentiles, in Asia Minor and Europe, where the majority of the ten tribe "house of Israel" had been scattered to in stages.

So anyone who follows Bible prophecy and Bible history, and even secular history that provides evidence of this, should be able to grasp that men's Dispensationalist theories like from Darby, and the double Gospel idea of Hyper-Dispensationalism, are simply JOKES that go directly against the evidence written in God's Word, and in history.

 

[Scott Downey]

NOPE! That idea that Christ's Ministry continued past the 69th week of Dan.9 is a FALSE DOCTRINE by the Messianic Jews (like SDA, JW, etc.). Bladerunner was correct; the 69th week ended with Christ's crucifixion. The final 70th week is still yet to be fulfilled today, and will be at the very end of this present world, which is what the Dan.9:27 verse about the orthodox Jews starting up old covenant sacrifices again in Jerusalem, and then the coming Antichrist ending those sacrifices and instead placing the "abomination of desolation" in the holy place at Jerusalem instead, is all... about events at the very end of this world just prior to Christ's future 2nd coming.

To wrongly assume that Jesus' Ministry fulfilled the 70th week (i.e., the Dan.9:27 "one week"), is pretty much BLASPHEMY AGAINST JESUS CHRIST. That is why that false doctrine has FALSE JEW written all over it! It's because those Dan.9:27 events involving the final 70th week involve setting up IDOL WORSHIP in Jerusalem, and Lord Jesus NEVER EVER did any such thing during His Ministry at His 1st coming! Instead, Lord Jesus WARNED about the placing of that "abomination of desolation" idol in Jerusalem for the FUTURE time of "great tribulation" which ONLY is to occur at the very end of this world.

here’s a comparison chart of the main interpretations of Daniel’s 70 weeks prophecy (Daniel 9:24–27):

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Interpretations of the 70 Weeks​

Aspect	Historic / Messianic View	Futurist / Dispensational View	Preterist View
70 “weeks” meaning	490 years total (7 × 70)	490 years total, but with a long gap before the last week	490 years total, symbolic but fulfilled in the first century
Starting point	Decree to rebuild Jerusalem (often 457 BC under Artaxerxes)	Same (usually 457 or 444 BC, Artaxerxes)	Same (457 BC or another decree)
69 weeks (483 years)	Brings us to the coming of Jesus the Messiah	Brings us to Jesus’ triumphal entry or baptism	Brings us to Jesus’ ministry
The “Anointed One cut off”	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion (after 69 weeks, before gap)	Refers to Jesus’ crucifixion
The 70th week	Fulfilled by Christ’s ministry (3½ years) and the gospel’s spread to Israel (another 3½ years)	Still future: a 7-year tribulation period	Fulfilled in the years 30–70 AD
“He shall confirm a covenant”	Jesus confirming the New Covenant by His death	The Antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel	Jesus confirming the New Covenant
“In the middle of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice”	Jesus’ death ended the sacrificial system	Antichrist breaks covenant after 3½ years, stops sacrifices in rebuilt temple	Jesus’ death ended sacrifices; final destruction in 70 AD
“The people of the prince to come” destroy the city & sanctuary	Romans destroyed Jerusalem and Temple in 70 AD	Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, but “the prince to come” (Antichrist) is still future	Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD
Fulfillment timing	Completed in the first century with Jesus and early church	Mostly fulfilled, but last week postponed to the future	Entirely fulfilled by 70 AD
Main theme	Christ’s atonement & gospel mission	End-time tribulation & Antichrist before Christ’s return	Christ’s work & judgment on unbelieving Israel

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Summary​

• Historic/Messianic: 70 weeks = fulfilled in Jesus’ ministry and the early church.
• Futurist/Dispensational: 69 weeks fulfilled up to Jesus, then a “gap,” final 70th week = future 7-year tribulation.
• Preterist: All 70 weeks fulfilled by the time of Jerusalem’s destruction in AD 70.

 

[MatthewG]

I’ll be honest—I’m not an expert on full preterism or all the details it involves. But from where I stand, I believe Jesus did return, was seen by His bride, and those who pierced Him witnessed it too. Just like the messengers said—He ascended, and He came back in the same way, to those who were watching.

In my view, the bride of Christ was taken while Jerusalem faced God’s wrath. That season included the white throne judgment and the opening of the book of life for that specific age—the one directly addressed in scripture. That age lasted something like 1,500 years, give or take. And I believe Jesus brought it to a close, ushering in the age of fulfillment we’re living in now.

Of course, most folks either don’t care much or feel too emotionally tangled to talk about it clearly. It stirs up a lot—faith, bias, personal convictions… all of it.

And hey, I won’t pretend I’m free from bias either. I’ve got my own lens, just like everyone else.

 

[Scott Downey]

Here’s a visual timeline showing how each interpretation lays out the 70 weeks of Daniel’s prophecy:

• Historic/Messianic (blue): All 70 weeks fulfilled in Jesus and the early church.
• Futurist/Dispensational (red): 69 weeks fulfilled, then a long gap (church age), with the 70th week still future (tribulation).
• Preterist (green): All 70 weeks fulfilled by 70 AD, ending with Jerusalem’s destruction.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Gap Issue in Daniel’s 70 Weeks​

1. Historic / Messianic View​

• No gap.
• The 70 weeks are one continuous span of 490 years.
• The 70th week begins right after the 69th, fulfilled in Jesus’ ministry (3½ years) and then the gospel reaching Israel (another 3½ years).
• Jesus’ crucifixion “in the middle of the week” ends the sacrificial system.
• After the 70th week, God’s plan of redemption is accomplished, but judgment (70 AD) follows.

Reasoning: The prophecy is given as one unit of time with no indication of a break. To insert a gap would break the flow.

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2. Futurist / Dispensational View​

• Yes, a gap.
• After the 69th week, the Messiah is cut off (Jesus’ crucifixion). Then the prophetic “clock” pauses for the “church age.”
• The 70th week is still future — a 7-year tribulation when the Antichrist makes/breaks a covenant with Israel.
• The gap has so far lasted nearly 2,000 years.

Reasoning:

• Daniel 9:26 says “after the 62 weeks, Messiah shall be cut off” before the 70th week is described.
• Since the destruction of Jerusalem (70 AD) didn’t fit neatly into the 7-year window, futurists see it as requiring a separation.
• This also matches their view of a distinct plan for Israel and the Church.

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3. Preterist View​

• No gap.
• The 70 weeks are continuous and fulfilled by 70 AD.
• Jesus’ ministry fulfills the covenant-confirming role, and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem ends the prophetic period.
• The “middle of the week” is the crucifixion, and the rest of the 7 years leads up to final judgment on Jerusalem.

Reasoning: Gabriel’s prophecy was for Daniel’s people (Israel) and city (Jerusalem), and all was fulfilled by the time Rome destroyed the Temple. There’s no need to push fulfillment thousands of years into the future.

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Summary​

• Historic/Messianic & Preterist: 490 years = one unbroken period, all fulfilled in Christ and the first century.
• Futurist/Dispensational: Prophetic “pause” after the 69th week; the 70th week is still to come (tribulation).

 

[David in NJ]

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Here’s a visual timeline showing how each interpretation lays out the 70 weeks of Daniel’s prophecy:

• Historic/Messianic (blue): All 70 weeks fulfilled in Jesus and the early church.
• Futurist/Dispensational (red): 69 weeks fulfilled, then a long gap (church age), with the 70th week still future (tribulation).
• Preterist (green): All 70 weeks fulfilled by 70 AD, ending with Jerusalem’s destruction.

All three have error