Charlie Kirk assassinated in Utah

[pandaflower]

Good to know, I am not crazy about a sardines personally but I have found adding a touch of them here and there can make things better.

Interesting, I will still try that, thanks.

If you try it with spaghetti sauce fry one or two up in the oil (at the beginning) then add your onions (and go from there, the sardines will sort of melt in and disapear, but add good flavor.

Sheesh, we should open a recipe thread eh?

(sorry for the intermission over here)

Just hold your breath when you open your first can of sardines.Yowza.

 

[Riven]

Just hold your breath when you open your first can of sardines.Yowza.

Yeah, that's the toughest part. I hear people open them outside sometimes.

 

[PS95]

Candace Owens had a Dairy Queen hand over a non fuzzied out photo of the shooter that has not been seen, anyone see this?

Truly,
Candace -- I used to respect her. But she has gone of the deep end in recent times.. she became seriously self-righteous, accusatory, and very angry/hateful-- I stopped paying any attention to her.
I just listened to her last most recent 3--I don't know why she is doing this.-
So far I have caught her in two lies.

Lie 1- Charlie was about to become a Catholic.- was praying the rosary and she had been converting him.
No.
Just a month ago- he took his stand on this matter. He said he rejected Mary's sinless birth and assumption and said Catholics go way too far with Mary and Protestants tend to ignore her. He said he thought she should be an example for young women.
He also said he rejects the Pope and the whole Vatican idea.
And he rejected the idea that Jesus turns into the wafer and wine.. ( I forget the term)
He was kind to Catholics and didn't fight with them like they do on here- but he was not converting.
Let me know if you would like that video..

Lie 2-
She said Erik Bolling is lying about her on PBD-
She said that he said- Charlie and Candace haven't talked in years.
No, he didn't say what she claims. He said -

"Kirk and Owens were “tight” more than a decade ago through their work at Turning Point USA, they “had a break-up” because her “theories got just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.”
“It was too extreme for [TPUSA’s] taste,” Bolling said, adding: “Charlie, to his credit, kept a cordial friendship with her for years, but it hasn’t been a communication pipeline between the two for many years.”

I do believe that. She did change. She is all over the place.
Charlie had questions for Israel as do I-- and he didn't appreciate the "us vs them" attitude- we have seen that on this forum too.. But he did not hate Israel like Candace does.
Even her father in law has felt he needed to apologize for her-

Charlie Kirk had ‘break-up’ with Candace Owens after she went ‘too down the rabbit holes’

Eric Bolling said while Kirk and Owens were “tight” a decade ago, they drifted apart because her “theories got just too down the rabbit holes.”

nypost.com

 

[Riven]

Truly,
Candace -- I used to respect her. But she has gone of the deep end in recent times.. she became seriously self-righteous, accusatory, and very angry/hateful-- I stopped paying any attention to her.
I just listened to her last most recent 3--I don't know why she is doing this.-
So far I have caught her in two lies.

Lie 1- Charlie was about to become a Catholic.- was praying the rosary and she had been converting him.
No.
Just a month ago- he took his stand on this matter. He said he rejected Mary's sinless birth and assumption and said Catholics go way too far with Mary and Protestants tend to ignore her. He said he thought she should be an example for young women.
He also said he rejects the Pope and the whole Vatican idea.
And he rejected the idea that Jesus turns into the wafer and wine.. ( I forget the term)
He was kind to Catholics and didn't fight with them like they do on here- but he was not converting.
Let me know if you would like that video..

Lie 2-
She said Erik Bolling is lying about her on PBD-
She said that he said- Charlie and Candace haven't talked in years.
No, he didn't say what she claims. He said -

"Kirk and Owens were “tight” more than a decade ago through their work at Turning Point USA, they “had a break-up” because her “theories got just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.”
“It was too extreme for [TPUSA’s] taste,” Bolling said, adding: “Charlie, to his credit, kept a cordial friendship with her for years, but it hasn’t been a communication pipeline between the two for many years.”

I do believe that. She did change. She is all over the place.
Charlie had questions for Israel as do I-- and he didn't appreciate the "us vs them" attitude- we have seen that on this forum too.. But he did not hate Israel like Candace does.
Even her father in law has felt he needed to apologize for her-

She also has no proof of an Israeli connection to Charlie Kirk's death, which is what she has been implying for over a week now.

 

[pandaflower]

Yeah, that's the toughest part. I hear people open them outside sometimes.

Yes. There's a reason for that .

 

[PS95]

She also has no proof of an Israeli connection to Charlie Kirk's death, which is what she has been implying for over a week now.

Charlie did question Israel and Oct 7th. Many have questions- as I have the same ones Charlie had expressed and he was being treated wrongly by those who blindly support whatever Israel does.
but he never went off on Israel the way she does.

 

[PS95]

She also has no proof of an Israeli connection to Charlie Kirk's death, which is what she has been implying for over a week now.

here ya go- they discussed it- Charlie knew these guys --and spoke about Israel on their show a yr ago

 

[PS95]

here ya go- they discussed it- Charlie knew these guys --and spoke about Israel on their show a yr ago

Here's where Charlie questioned Oct 7-

 

[PS95]

Here's where Charlie questioned Oct 7-

Here's where Charlie questioned Oct 7-

Don't get me wrong there does seem to have been tension.. between Charlie and some Jewish leaders and stakeholders due to his concerns.. and many Jewish friends.
But to accuse Netanyahu of his murder ... well where is her evidence?

 

[Riven]

Charlie did question Israel and Oct 7th. Many have questions- as I have the same ones Charlie had expressed and he was being treated wrongly by those who blindly support whatever Israel does.
but he never went off on Israel the way she does.

But where is the incentive for a political assassination? Many political leaders not only question Israel, but openly condemn the country, and some even go as far as calling for Bibi's arrest as a war criminal. Those leaders are still alive, and their positions haven't changed.

Charlie wasn't even a politician. He was a citizen that brushed elbows with politicians. The idea that the Israeli government decided to have him assassinated for "questioning Israel" is utterly absurd.

Not only is there no evidence for this accusation, but ask yourself, how did Israel do this? They allegedly found a random leftist online and convinced him to carry it out? Where's the evidence for that? Furthermore, why did the Israelis let this guy be taken alive?

None of it makes any sense. You know what does make sense? I think Candace Owens and others are trying to profit from his death as much as possible. Personally, I think it's really gross and I can see why she was fired from The Daily Wire.

 

[PS95]

But where is the incentive for a political assassination? Many political leaders not only question Israel, but openly condemn the country, and some even go as far as calling for Bibi's arrest as a war criminal. Those leaders are still alive, and their positions haven't changed.
Charlie wasn't even a politician. He was a citizen that brushed elbows with politicians. The idea that the Israeli government decided to have him assassinated for "questioning Israel" is utterly absurd.

Well, I think the idea is that Charlie had a hand on the pulse of the nation's youth. That's important in politics.
You may not know- but many churches also back Israel due to a study bible's notes and current very controversial teachings--- and if they stopped... uhh oh boy.. $$$$
He did have a relationship with Netanyahu- a personal one. And it had changed.

Not only is there no evidence for this accusation, but ask yourself, how did Israel do this? They allegedly found a random leftist online and convinced him to carry it out? Where's the evidence for that? Furthermore, why did the Israelis let this guy be taken alive?

Well that's the question they asked on PBD. - Others think someone else did it-- and Robinson is a patsy.

None of it makes any sense. You know what does make sense? I think Candace Owens and others are trying to profit from his death as much as possible. Personally, I think it's really gross and I can see why she was fired from The Daily Wire.

She changed for sure..

 

[PS95]

@Riven
this will help you see how upset they were--

 

[Muna]

ok truly- this is the 2nd time you made me think this-- are you my paisano?

I had to look up that word

And guess what? I was so wrong on what I had advised, I should have said use an anchovy fillet NOT a sardine.

So my goodness, please ignore my previous advice (and you should have been calling me out on that one)

It probably wouldn't mess up anyones sauce since what is added is such a small amount but I don't know where my head was when I got my little fishy fillets confused.

And you gotta stop writing me these words I need to look up haha (I have a small vocab)

 

[Muna]

Truly,
Candace -- I used to respect her. But she has gone of the deep end in recent times.. she became seriously self-righteous, accusatory, and very angry/hateful-- I stopped paying any attention to her.
I just listened to her last most recent 3--I don't know why she is doing this.-
So far I have caught her in two lies.

Lie 1- Charlie was about to become a Catholic.- was praying the rosary and she had been converting him.
No.
Just a month ago- he took his stand on this matter. He said he rejected Mary's sinless birth and assumption and said Catholics go way too far with Mary and Protestants tend to ignore her. He said he thought she should be an example for young women.
He also said he rejects the Pope and the whole Vatican idea.
And he rejected the idea that Jesus turns into the wafer and wine.. ( I forget the term)
He was kind to Catholics and didn't fight with them like they do on here- but he was not converting.
Let me know if you would like that video..

Lie 2-
She said Erik Bolling is lying about her on PBD-
She said that he said- Charlie and Candace haven't talked in years.
No, he didn't say what she claims. He said -

"Kirk and Owens were “tight” more than a decade ago through their work at Turning Point USA, they “had a break-up” because her “theories got just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.”
“It was too extreme for [TPUSA’s] taste,” Bolling said, adding: “Charlie, to his credit, kept a cordial friendship with her for years, but it hasn’t been a communication pipeline between the two for many years.”

I do believe that. She did change. She is all over the place.
Charlie had questions for Israel as do I-- and he didn't appreciate the "us vs them" attitude- we have seen that on this forum too.. But he did not hate Israel like Candace does.
Even her father in law has felt he needed to apologize for her-

Charlie Kirk had ‘break-up’ with Candace Owens after she went ‘too down the rabbit holes’

Eric Bolling said while Kirk and Owens were “tight” a decade ago, they drifted apart because her “theories got just too down the rabbit holes.”

nypost.com

I cross checked the same with AI and it states the following on both accounts

Yes, Eric Bolling stated that Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens had not communicated in years. He mentioned that while they were close a decade ago through their work at Turning Point USA, they "had a break-up" because Owens' theories became too extreme, and there "hasn’t been a communication pipeline between the two for many years". Bolling, a TPUSA board member, also noted that Kirk quietly cut ties with Owens after she veered into conspiracy theories and that he had not seen her in person since around 2015 or 2016.
AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And again I cross checked this with AI here

Candace Owens continued to appear at Turning Point USA (TPUSA) events as a guest speaker as recently as 2024, despite no longer holding a formal position with the organization after her tenure as communications director ended in 2019. While specific details of joint appearances with Charlie Kirk in the last two years are not provided in the sources, her participation in TPUSA events as recently as 2024 indicates she was still publicly associated with the organization he led. However, Eric Bolling, a TPUSA advisory board member, claimed there had been no active communication between Kirk and Owens for many years due to her views becoming too extreme for the organization's taste, though he acknowledged Kirk maintained a cordial friendship with her. A spokesperson for TPUSA stated that "Charlie and Candace remained friends" up until his death


His wife Erika is holding up a rosary after his death

But I cannot comment on the bickerings back and forth between these online hosts, but I really love Candaces reporting.

I have seen her defend Jews, even one that might be considered despicable (names Harvey Weinstein) and than there is that other Jewish man Justin Baldoni, and has stated she has close Jewish freinds, including Dave Smith, who is also a Jew (critical of Israel) in fact I believe it was him that helped open her eyes to some of the atrocities that she has been made aware of and who began to change her mind, that and being pressured to hold no other view than what was scripted for her, and that I can understand, the same has been experienced more recently by Tucker, Megyn Kelly and Charlie as well as others.

I see no problem with them having a problem with the things they have pointed out though.

 

[Riven]

@Riven
this will help you see how upset they were--

If we assume that Israel was responsible for Charlie Kirk's death, then I have to wonder, why didn't they go after Megyn? She's also very influential.

More often than not, the simplest explanation is the correct one. The official story makes sense. Moe than that, there's a ton of evidence to support it. The Israel theory doesn't make sense, and there's no evidence to support it. Charlie being critical of Israel isn't evidence. Most of the world is very critical of Israel right now.

So, I just don't buy the Israeli connection. That being said, I agree with everything Charlie and Megyn said in that video. I would go further, and say that the Israel lobby in Washington has too much power over the United States government. In many ways, Israel is the tail that wags the dog.

 

[Muna]

If we assume that Israel was responsible for Charlie Kirk's death, then I have to wonder, why didn't they go after Megyn? She's also very influential.

More often than not, the simplest explanation is the correct one. The official story makes sense. Moe than that, there's a ton of evidence to support it. The Israel theory doesn't make sense, and there's no evidence to support it. Charlie being critical of Israel isn't evidence. Most of the world is very critical of Israel right now.

So, I just don't buy the Israeli connection. That being said, I agree with everything Charlie and Megyn said in that video. I would go further, and say that the Israel lobby in Washington has too much power over the United States government. In many ways, Israel is the tail that wags the dog.

Who was the first to say that Israel was directly responsible for Charlie Kirk's death?

 

[Debp]

Whaaat? Robinson was permitted to do that?

Someone set up the GoFundMe for the assassin. But thankfully GoFundMe took it down after a few hours!

 

[Muna]

Who was the first to say that Israel was directly responsible for Charlie Kirk's death?

Also cross checked the following through AI

Candace Owens has not directly accused Israel of being involved in Charlie Kirk's death, but she has strongly implied that there was a cover-up regarding his views on Israel and the circumstances leading up to his death. She claimed that Kirk was under pressure due to his "rational thoughts about Israel," suggesting that billionaire Bill Ackman was upset with him and that threats were made. Owens also alleged that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was involved, stating that Kirk was invited to Israel in what she described as an "under duress situation," which she likened to a "reeducation camp".

While Owens stated she did "in no way" imply Israel had anything to do with Kirk’s assassination, she argued that Israeli figures were misrepresenting his shifting viewpoint on Israel and the intense pressure it placed on him. She specifically questioned Netanyahu’s public statements mourning Kirk, implying that they were disingenuous given Kirk’s reported concerns about Israeli influence in American politics. Other conservative figures, including Tucker Carlson, have echoed skepticism about Netanyahu’s response, accusing him of trying to "hijack Charlie’s memory" despite Kirk being "appalled by what was happening in Gaza".

 

[Riven]

Who was the first to say that Israel was directly responsible for Charlie Kirk's death?

I don't know. But what I do know is that she is implying that the Israeli government had something to do with his death. Likely to draw more viewers to her channel. Alex Jones did this for years. He was later forced to admit in court that he "plays a character" on his show.

I prefer to stick to the facts, and ignore unsubstantiated conspiracy theories or hearsay.

 

[amigo de christo]

I cross checked the same with AI and it states the following on both accounts

Yes, Eric Bolling stated that Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens had not communicated in years. He mentioned that while they were close a decade ago through their work at Turning Point USA, they "had a break-up" because Owens' theories became too extreme, and there "hasn’t been a communication pipeline between the two for many years". Bolling, a TPUSA board member, also noted that Kirk quietly cut ties with Owens after she veered into conspiracy theories and that he had not seen her in person since around 2015 or 2016.
AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And again I cross checked this with AI here

Candace Owens continued to appear at Turning Point USA (TPUSA) events as a guest speaker as recently as 2024, despite no longer holding a formal position with the organization after her tenure as communications director ended in 2019. While specific details of joint appearances with Charlie Kirk in the last two years are not provided in the sources, her participation in TPUSA events as recently as 2024 indicates she was still publicly associated with the organization he led. However, Eric Bolling, a TPUSA advisory board member, claimed there had been no active communication between Kirk and Owens for many years due to her views becoming too extreme for the organization's taste, though he acknowledged Kirk maintained a cordial friendship with her. A spokesperson for TPUSA stated that "Charlie and Candace remained friends" up until his death


His wife Erika is holding up a rosary after his death

But I cannot comment on the bickerings back and forth between these online hosts, but I really love Candaces reporting.

I have seen her defend Jews, even one that might be considered despicable (names Harvey Weinstein) and than there is that other Jewish man Justin Baldoni, and has stated she has close Jewish freinds, including Dave Smith, who is also a Jew (critical of Israel) in fact I believe it was him that helped open her eyes to some of the atrocities that she has been made aware of and who began to change her mind, that and being pressured to hold no other view than what was scripted for her, and that I can understand, the same has been experienced more recently by Tucker, Megyn Kelly and Charlie as well as others.

I see no problem with them having a problem with the things they have pointed out though.

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