Comparing Israel with the Church

[Dan Clarkston]

Since the first time will not destroy the enemy, the second time will not, because the enemy is in his own house.

As Christians we should all persecute the descendants of Abraham then right?

How far should Christians go to get their persecution of Jews on.... all the way to supporting the moslems un-holy war against them as they seek to engage in genocide to murder all Jews.... and all Christians too?

Just curious as to how far Christians should go to wipe out the Jews aligning themselves with the moslems

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

As Christians we should all persecute the descendants of Abraham then right?

How far should Christians go to get their persecution of Jews on.... all the way to supporting the moslems un-holy war against them as they seek to engage in genocide to murder all Jews.... and all Christians too?

Just curious as to how far Christians should go to wipe out the Jews aligning themselves with the moslems

Not a single person on earth can genetically prove that they're 'related to Abraham or Moses..

No one... The people making that claim today may as well be Japanese.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Not a single person on earth can genetically prove that they're 'related to Abraham or Moses..

No one... The people making that claim today may as well be Japanese.

The adults are talking here.... we have no time for those not in the know who are racists against Jews or any other people groups.

We know them by their hate and their racist rhetoric

 

[soberxp]

As Christians we should all persecute the descendants of Abraham then right?

How far should Christians go to get their persecution of Jews on.... all the way to supporting the moslems un-holy war against them as they seek to engage in genocide to murder all Jews.... and all Christians too?

Just curious as to how far Christians should go to wipe out the Jews aligning themselves with the moslems

If the enemy is in the Jewish Home, should he be destroyed? According to your beliefs.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Does the Bible not say that the Israelites had "skin as white as milk", a hue of sapphire (veins/white skin), sky blue eyes like a dove covered in milk and a ruddy complexion with rosy cheeks?

Just based on that Scripture alone, a group of lawyers could claim that everyone in Europe is "related to Abraham."

Whoop-de-doo

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If the enemy is in the Jewish Home, should he be destroyed? According to your beliefs.

So you are a moslem then supporting genocide against the Jews and want to see them all killed?

And did you not see God's warning to not boast against the Jews???

Romans 11:18-21
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

 

[soberxp]

So you are a moslem then supporting genocide against the Jews and want to see them all killed?

And did you not see God's warning to not boast against the Jews???

Romans 11:18-21
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

So why would God destroy his so-called enemies? Now that you are referring to compassion, do Christians, Christians in the Western world, in particular, have no mercy for those you speak of.

Haven't you read the Lord's Prayer?

You are still living in the theory of good and evil, not under the word of God. If human can correctly measure good and evil, what is there to God?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So why would God destroy his so-called enemies? Now that you are referring to compassion, do Christians, Christians in the Western world, in particular, have no mercy for those you speak of.

Haven't you read the Lord's Prayer?

You are still living in the theory of good and evil, not under the word of God. If human can correctly measure good and evil, what is there to God?

Jesus tells us to judge righteously

John 7:24
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

The only way to judge righteously is to compare what people do and say to what God's Word teaches.

He also warns that we will be judged with the judgement that we judge with (reap what we sow - Gal 6:7,8)

Matthew 7:2
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

So, if someone is believing or doing something that is obviously in opposition to what God's Word teaches... it's not "judging" them to point out what they believe or do is in opposition to what God's Word teaches

Real Christians do not support the moslems ongoing attempts to engage in genocide against the Jews.

 

[soberxp]

Real Christians do not support the moslems ongoing attempts to engage in genocide against the Jews.

I don't want to talk about meaningless land, the promised land, the gospel at the heart of what we're talking about, the promised land fulfilled its mission, Gave birth to Jesus and the Gospel, but because of rebellion, the historical task of the promised land ended, because it became an abominable wasteland.


Every time from the land the news is death, not the love of God, Don't you think this is an abominable wasteland?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Genesis 22:17–18 — God (through the Angel of the LORD) reaffirms the covenant to Abraham: "His seed will be multiplied like stars and sand."

His seed...

Huh...

So this is how the lawyers will play it.

Abraham = father of the covenant

Israelites = descendants of Abraham

Nazarites = Israelites

Nazarites = "skin as white as milk", a hue of sapphire (veins/white skin), sky blue eyes like a dove covered in milk and a ruddy complexion with rosy cheeks

They'll say - "We found all the Nazarites and descendants of Jacob.. the lost 10 tribes of Israel."

Done.

But see... The European Christians don't care about this claim anyway... it is meaningless to them.. and thats why they don't boast about it for the last 2000 years..

Jesus to the Pharisees (John 8:39):
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father.
Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Meaning: claiming bloodline isn’t enough.


Paul (Romans 9:6-8):
For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children… That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Only those who follow Christ are counted for the seed so bloodlines are irrelevant.

Blunt 2025 street version of Paul's words:
Bloodline don’t mean jack. God ain’t checking DNA — He’s checking loyalty.

So what happened? Medieval European Christians (who followed the KING OF THE JEWS) didn't even care if they were related to Abraham or were Jacob’s great grandkids; as they knew that following Christ is all that matters according to the Word of GOD.

This would also explain why a supposed, 3rd century King in England would give a damn about some Jewish carpenters cup from 2000 miles away in the Arthurian tale.

This would also explain why they were "lost" to begin with.. They migrated to Europe with no wars or conquest as peaceful preachers of Christ. Thats how they got "lost" to begin with. History records massive wars, conflict and conquest.. not humble preachers walking into Europe and sailing in along their already established Phoenician trade routes without issue. The Nazarites must've peacefully moved into Europe for centuries, married and melted into what was now a Christian society (New Covenant Jew really) and the rest is history.

These Nazarites also knew that the Holy Spirit said:

Titus 3:9 (KJV):

“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”

So they knew that God told them to avoid " foolish questions about genealogies" - and so THEY DID.. And in doing so, became "lost" and melted into European society & spread across Europe just as Genesis 22:17–18 said would happen.

The tribes weren’t lost by accident. They were lost by obedience — and in that, they fulfilled the promise.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Look out everyone... We have some ancient Nazarites coming through.....

 

[Muna]

Paul and all other biblical writers are not the ones deciding what to say when they write.

I do not know to what you are responding to here

The Lord instructed them to write what was written. They didn't make stuff up as they go along.

I never said they made things up as they went along

So to your point.... all unbelievers are dogs whether they are descendants of Abraham or not.

That was not my point, nor were they my own words, but Paul's

Phil 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

You were the one calling certain racist jew pigs who were those agreeing with Jesus words and Pauls (the good the bad and the ugly, if I must put it that way)

Which is why I posted

Maybe because you cannot recconcile the possibility he wrote both Romans 11:28 and Phil 3:2 ?

Both can be true, and I posted that because you said

Don't let what the Lord said thru Paul in Romans 11:28 get in the way of hating Jews.

And so when you respond again

Romans 11:1
This in no way means the Jews are not beloved of the Lord because they are.

No one is voiding one or the other but accepting both of them as truly spoken.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The adults are talking here.... we have no time for those not in the know who are racists against Jews or any other people groups.

We know them by their hate and their racist rhetoric

Racist? Against what? Judaism isn't a race..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

the promised land fulfilled its mission

No actually Jesus is returning to the land as the land belongs to the Lord. He will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

God will be turning the hearts of all these folks that the Jew haters and bringing them in when Jesus returns.

Remember, boast not lest you get cut off

Romans 11:18-21
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

I do not know to what you are responding to here

The Lord led them thru the Holy Spirit as to what to write.

If the Lord did not control what went in to His Own written Word.... then it's garbage.

You were the one calling certain racist jew pigs who were those agreeing with Jesus words and Pauls (the good the bad and the ugly, if I must put it that way)

And these folks reject Romans 11 and they continue boasting against the Jews.

No one is voiding one or the other but accepting both of them as truly spoken.

Those that hate the Jews do NOT believe that God loves them and desire to see all Jews killed like their moslem brethren

 

[Muna]

The Lord led them thru the Holy Spirit as to what to write.

If the Lord did not control what went in to His Own written Word.... then it's garbage.

You are basically responding to me on things I havent even spoken to which is why I had asked

And these folks reject Romans 11 and they continue boasting against the Jews.

They might but the post was directed towards me because I quoted Paul in Phil 3:2 as well as Romans 11 whereas you leaned into Romans 11 and appeared to be repulsed by Phil 3:2 as if the two are not written by the same Holy Spirit (as you yourself actually acknowledge above)

Those that hate the Jews do NOT believe that God loves them and desire to see all Jews killed like their moslem brethren

Paul does not hate the Jews when he called them dogs, Jesus does not kiss the Jews who killed him, but the gospel (which is about his death) was to also be a testimony against them (Mark 13:9) even though it is through the same they would be saved. So something can be true of them on the one hand, being called a dog (by a Jew apostle who has faith in Christ) but it sometimes feels as though there are those who call their own brethren (who believe in Jesus Christ) pigs (and Jew haters) pointing out what the two Jews (Paul and Jesus have said). Which to me is almost as if falling for the slieght of hand (as if not reccognizing anti Christ, but making false charges according to what is called anti semitism). Look up when that term was coined, its not an older phrase, its fairly new, I posted on this on this forum, but right now my mouse just died and this particular computer is on the brinks, and I need to sign off and take care of this.

Seriously though, Paul could call Jacob ungodly, Stephen could call them stiffnecked and Jesus could say he would make them of the synagogue of Satan and all of them could do that without being attacked by other brethren. Now, when brethren repeat other brethrens words in scripture, its like they are under some spell and rabidly go after brethren calling them the pigs, and the racists. Its like they are not looking for anti Christ but anti Semite in its stead.

An few exagerated examples of what I mean using scriptures (modernized a bit)

Help! an "Anti semite" (or self loathing Jews"!)

Acts 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place. (this was a lie)

Help! an Anti semite ( or self loathing Jew!)

Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (would condemn Jesus)

Help! an Anti semite (or self loathing Jew!)

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. (Same as Acts 7:8-16) would condemn Jesus

Help! an Anti semite self (or self loathing Jew!)

Phl 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision. (would condemn the apostle Paul)

Help! an Anti semite (or self loathing Jew!)

1 Thes 2:15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (Same Acts 5:28) would condemn Paul

Help! an Anti semite (or self loathing Jew!)

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. (Would condemn Stephen)

Help! an Anti semite (or self loathing Jew!)

Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

Help! an Anti semite (or self loathing Jew!)

Peter's encouragment

1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

Acts 24:13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

Its all false accusation, none of the above are dogs, pigs, or racists, they are brethen in Christ, who can acknowledge that both things can be true without demonizing another for one verse over another.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

They might but the post was directed towards me because I quoted Paul in Phil 3:2 as well as Romans 11 whereas you leaned into Romans 11 and appeared to be repulsed by Phil 3:2 as if the two are not written by the same Holy Spirit (as you yourself actually acknowledge above)

Maybe someday you'll be come aware of the fact that the Lord loves the Jews and is trying to win them to Christ.

One of the end times deceptions is the entire world coming against the Jews and we can tell who has the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and who does not b y their treatment of the Jews.

 

[Muna]

Maybe someday you'll be come aware of the fact that the Lord loves the Jews and is trying to win them to Christ. View attachment 70601

And which words did I post of either Stephens words, Paul's words or Jesus Christ's that would indicate they or I are unaware of something here?

Unless you are unaware of his choice of doing things with them is to for to "provoke them to jealousy" as Paul would say, If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

This is how he would do it

Deut 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation

But what you do is kiss them with your lips, while you breathing out accusations toward the brethren as being racist pigs when both the LORD and Paul show a provoking them to anger in saving them.

On the otherhand you apply that same heat against the brethren and do what we ought not be doing between one another which is railing on them while constantly provoking them.

Its just backwards, this is love

If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Singing Barney songs to them all day long is not love, even an enemy can multiply kisses

One of the end times deceptions is the entire world coming against the Jews and we can tell who has the true Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ and who does not b y their treatment of the Jews.

Neither am denying this, anymore then I would that the very same would come against Christ and crucify the Lord, but that doesn't mean I should agree with all of their deeds even though both the crucifixion of our Lord and the gathering together of all nations against them are both in the will of God.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Racist? Against what? Judaism isn't a race..

The simpletons think it's a Race issue !
The simpletons think that Anti-Semitic is an issue ! to say such as Anti-Semitic is totaly pathetic ! fot the Semitic Race is easy 90 % Islamic people in fact ! clearly 10% are Jews at best ! So why the game play as if only the Jews are Semites.
Any one who knows the Bible well, will understand that the Jews were only one Tribe of many Semitic Tribes in fact !

The Issue of Judaism in regards Biblical Christianity clearly is nothing to do with Semitic people at all ! It's not an Issue !

Jesus came ! Christ Jesus is the only way to the Father ! anyone who is outside of Christ Jesus is an abomination to God in fact ! for they serve Idols in fact ! For They are under the powers of the Anti-Christ !

The First Christians were Jews in fact !

Not all Jews are worthy of the OT even ! but some idiots like to Lie ! and make out that all of the so called Jews are Gods People ! when anyone who has read the OT knows the some Jews were and could banished !
Sure their was the prodical Son but his inhertance was Zip !
The Jews who were led astray by the Godless Jews in fact, who only wanted to kill Jesus ! because Jesus was a threat to their Godless whore ways !
We can see in the Vinyard story who is the Bastards that killed all of Gods Prophets ! and then God sent is only begotten Son and they set out so as to cunningly kill him as well ! Jews who were clearly on the wrong track in fact ! as we can see in ACTS with Stephen as an Angel of God ? pointing out the History of the Jews ! It's all totaly 100% True what Stephen has said to them all ! and every worthy Christian knows it's a total fact ! Paul woke up to it !

So being related blood line to the Jews is all total BS ! to being Saved !
No one was Saved by being a Jew, not one ! One does need the Holy Spirit and that is the Key to anyone being worthy ! outside of that one is Nothing regardless in fact !

 

[soberxp]

No actually Jesus is returning to the land as the land belongs to the Lord. He will rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years.

God will be turning the hearts of all these folks that the Jew haters and bringing them in when Jesus returns.

I don't think humans have 1,000 years left. I think the end times will come in the next 100 years. If humans don't change, Global warming is leading our world to destruction, I think, not that I don't believe in the Bible, It's that I don't believe in human beings, including Jews,even myself.

 

[soberxp]

Racist? Against what? Judaism isn't a race..

Judaism and Islam are the same. If you don't agree with one, then the other is the same.
Two weights are not good.