The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Jay Ross]

Time is already past for those who 'already' know the seven mountains are about KINGDOMS. It's folks like you that are way... behind in understanding God's Word on that.

That is just your opinion. I just happen to disagree with what you are posting at the moment.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Then when the Bottomless pit is unlocked the four beasts begin to act in unison and form a four facetted

Four facetted?! LOL.

Do you even know what is God’s definition of the “beast”?

 

[Jay Ross]

Four facetted?! LOL.

Do you even know what is God’s definition of the “beast”?

You need to engage your laughing matter before you post. What I have suggested regarding the Beast that comes up out of the Bottomless pit is based on scripture. Where is your scriptural evidence to confirm that I am wrong.

 

[Davy]

You got wrong Jews and wrong Jerusalem. In the New Testament, we are spiritual Jews, where we preach through the church which is spiritually Jerusalem.

You mean you don't even know about UNBELIEVING JEWS IN TODAY'S JERUSALEM?

That probably means you have not read what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11 of how God spiritually BLINDED the majority of the Jews until the fulllness of the Gentiles comes in (at Christ's future return).

Thus you CANNOT try and eliminate the ORTHODOX unbelieving Jews from God's Word just to suit your 'spiritual Jew' interpretation of what Apostle Paul said in Romans 2:29.

The stick of Judah in the Ezekiel 37 prophecy is about BLOODLINE tribe of Judah, tribe of Benjamin, and tribe of Levi, with a small remnant of the northern 10 tribes which left the north when Jeroboam setup calf idol worship in the north. And the foreigners that became converts to Judaism at Judea also are included with those 3 tribes at Jerusalem-Judea. This is BIBLE HISTORY 101, and secular history. You need to study about that starting in 1 Kings 11 through to the end of 2 Kings 17. Those 3 tribes at Jerusalem-Judea represented the "house of Judah". And today that is who the JEWS represent, NOT Christ's Church.

 

[Davy]

LOL. Oh yeah. They are being attacked by the army of the false prophets and christs as we speak.

Christ's Church is NOT the main target of the devil at the END of this world. Not saying the Church is not a target of the devil. It is the UNBELIEVING JEWS that are the MAIN TARGET of the devil for the END of this world. That is why... the coming FALSE-MESSIAH that Jesus warned of will appear in JERUSALEM at the end of this world to play THE MESSIAH which the ORTHODOX JEWS are still expecting!

The reason why... Lord Jesus WARNED HIS CHURCH about that coming event of the FALSE-MESSIAH appearing at JERUSALEM for the end playing Him is so WE, His CHURCH, would NOT be deceived by that coming event! So IF... DECEIVED CHRISTIAN BRETHREN wrongly bow to that coming FALSE-MESSIAH thinking he is Jesus, then that is too bad for those deceived, BECAUSE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES ALREADY WARNED US ABOUT THAT! That will be the penalty those deceived brethren get for NOT STAYING IN GOD'S WORD, AND NOT LISTENING TO LORD JESUS' WARNING.

How can you not know that, since it is well covered in God's written Word?

 

[Davy]

Forget Middle East headlines. Forget your obsession with a physical city called Jerusalem. Forget the fantasy of a seven-year peace treaty. Forget your Hollywood-style “third temple” script. Forget waiting for some supernatural spirit possessed villain to sit in a literal building facing Golden Gate in Jersualem—blah, blah, blah.

Just forget GOD'S WRITTEN WORD too, huh?

That's what you are basically suggesting. And it's pretty clear that is exactly what you have done by the garbage coming out of your mouth.

Just your mention of some of those things written in God's Word for the END in that mocking sense reveals that you DO KNOW AT LEAST A LITTLE ABOUT THEM, which means you have come here to this Christian forum HIDING who you REALLY ARE, most likely a DECEIVED ORTHODOX JEW. That would also explain your lack of understanding in The New Testament Books!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Even the JW has their versions of Preterism and Historicism which wrongly interpret The Bible.

I am not even Preterist. Who cares about JW. Not a subject here.

And one of their PET doctrines is a false preaching against the United States with trying to associate it as part of the Revelation 'beast'. So if the shoe fits, wear it.

United States as the beast? Perhaps you need to stop reading too much Jehovah's Witnesses' nonsense. Come back to the Bible.

There is no mystery about the Babylon Harlot of Revelation 17 for me

I do think so.

, because I STAY in God's Word as written, and He made it easy!

Easy, you say? Let's see...

All one need do is read the very last verse of Revelation 17 to know what the Babylon Harlot represents. It represents the "great city" JERUSALEM at the time of the very END of this world when the 'beast' arrives to take it over.

Rev 17:18
(18) And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

I do not see physical city of "Jerusalem" in that verse, or even the whole chapter.

But time out, please. It seems that you do not understand who this woman is. Who this great city is. and who is her kings of the Earth.

Revelation 21:24

• "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

The wicked of the earth do not bring their glory into Heavenly Jerusalem. These kings of the earth are the people who have become saved. "The nations of them which are saved." So clearly, the clause "kings of the earth" definitely mean the people of the congregation - both Elect and the unsaved professed Christians. Even as the scriptures I gave long time ago to you that declaring we are kings and priests unto God and do reign upon the earth. That makes us the kings of the earth!!! Hello?!? God is not talking about some presidents, prime ministers or even kings here. Even as the Church, spiritual Jerusalem, is that great city that reigns, or in other words, that has rule over the kings of the earth. - that is us. Don't buy it, observe next verse carefully:

Revelation 1:5

• "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,"

So clearly we see "again" that the clause "kings of the earth" most definitely does identify the Elect. Jesus is our prince or ruler of "His people". They are part of "His kingdom" and reign with Him as kings upon the earth and our great city is...guess what? Church!

The real problem (as I see it) is not in the kings, but in our two opposing views of the great city of Babylon. I believe it is the fallen Church, spiritually a harlot. You, it seems, do not believe that at all. And THEREIN lies the true problem. Not the kings, but your interpretation of Babylon, the great harlot. I believe you hold the traditional view of Babylon. But if your interpretation is wrong, then your conclusions will be wrong. For example, if you do not believe Babylon represents the unfaithful Church, especially the external church, then of course everything you read concerning her will be skewed and "qualified" by your belief.

So your doctrine of men that attempts... to apply the Babylon Harlot to Christ's Church, or to America, is just a HUGE JOKE! a design by the devil to DECEIVE.

America? You must have a short memory of who are you dealing with here. I never taught America as Babylon Harlot. But yes Babylon the Great refers to unfaithful church (not to be confused with Christ's true church), Selah!

See brethren, he doesn't even know enough of God's written Word to understand the warnings by Lord Jesus and His Apostles about the coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem at the end of this world to play God. How can I even converse with someone who doesn't even read their Bible enough to know about that?

You are being foolish here. I was asking you sarcastically to prove us with a Scripture where you claim to be talking about "false messiah." Chapter and verses please and the context coming with it to support your precious false messiah theory. The ball is in your court.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Christ's Church is NOT the main target of the devil at the END of this world. Not saying the Church is not a target of the devil. It is the UNBELIEVING JEWS that are the MAIN TARGET of the devil for the END of this world. That is why... the coming FALSE-MESSIAH that Jesus warned of will appear in JERUSALEM at the end of this world to play THE MESSIAH which the ORTHODOX JEWS are still expecting!

The reason why... Lord Jesus WARNED HIS CHURCH about that coming event of the FALSE-MESSIAH appearing at JERUSALEM for the end playing Him is so WE, His CHURCH, would NOT be deceived by that coming event! So IF... DECEIVED CHRISTIAN BRETHREN wrongly bow to that coming FALSE-MESSIAH thinking he is Jesus, then that is too bad for those deceived, BECAUSE JESUS AND HIS APOSTLES ALREADY WARNED US ABOUT THAT! That will be the penalty those deceived brethren get for NOT STAYING IN GOD'S WORD, AND NOT LISTENING TO LORD JESUS' WARNING.

How can you not know that, since it is well covered in God's written Word?

Shhhhhh… for the third time now, I’ve asked you for chapter and verse. Still waiting. I’m not here for your imaginative speculations. Take all the time you need—if you’re actually serious about handling God’s Word.

 

[Davy]

That is just your opinion. I just happen to disagree with what you are posting at the moment.

Not my opinion at all, just simple FACT per the Revelation 17 Chapter.

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
KJV

Rev 17:1
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
KJV

Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
KJV

Can "nations" mean kingdoms? YES! Great Britain today is both a nation and... a kingdom. So is Saudi Arabia.

Per Rev.11:8, it reveals JERUSALEM as the "great city". The Revelation 17:18 verse says the symbolic "woman" of Rev.17, which is that Babylon Harlot, is a "great city", NOT A RELIGION, NOT THE U.S., NOT A NATION.

Instead, Rev.17 shows the BABYLON HARLOT will sit over... those "nations" (or kingdoms or mountains). And Rev.17 shows that Harlot is associated with ROYALTY and Rev.18 she says she 'sits as a queen and is no widow, which means she is MARRIED to a king. What king? Well, what king for the END of this world was being revealed in Rev.17:8-12?

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
KJV

Who is the New JERUSALEM married to per Rev.21? To Jesus Christ! He is our TRUE KING. And JERUSALEM represents His Bride!

But the Babylon Harlot, she says she is already married (to a king), and is no widow. So what king will she (JERUSALEM) be married to as that HARLOT queen? And we know that HARLOT is about a city, the city of JERUSALEM, because of Rev.11:8 and Rev.17:18.

The simple meaning is that near-future JERUSALEM will be the future headquarters and bride of the coming beast-king, the FALSE MESSIAH which Jesus and Apostle Paul warned the Church about for the END of this world, coming to sit in a THIRD JEWISH TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM, exalting himself as GOD, and over all that is called GOD, or that is worshiped (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

In Ezekiel 16 is where GOD Himself first called JERUSALEM a harlot because of past idol worship done there.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You mean you don't even know about UNBELIEVING JEWS IN TODAY'S JERUSALEM?

What about them?

That probably means you have not read what Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11 of how God spiritually BLINDED the majority of the Jews until the fulllness of the Gentiles comes in (at Christ's future return).

Once again, you misunderstood Romans 11.
Paul says, “blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in” (Romans 11:25, KJV). That means the partial blindness continues until all the Elect are gathered in, not until some future lifting of blindness on national Israel.


Then he adds, “And so all Israel shall be saved” (Romans 11:26, KJV). Notice it says “so”—not “then.” In other words, in this very way, through the sealing of all the Elect, both Jew and Gentile, from Abel to the last soul, the true Israel (the congregation of God) is saved.


Nowhere in Romans 11 does it teach that the blindness will suddenly be lifted from ethnic Jews in the Middle East so that more of them can be saved later. Not at all. Paul is speaking of the one body of Christ, the Israel of God, made up of both Jews and Gentiles united by faith.

Thus you CANNOT try and eliminate the ORTHODOX unbelieving Jews from God's Word just to suit your 'spiritual Jew' interpretation of what Apostle Paul said in Romans 2:29.

I follow what God says in Scripture. Where did you get the idea of "orthodox unbelieving Jews" from??

The stick of Judah in the Ezekiel 37 prophecy is about BLOODLINE tribe of Judah, tribe of Benjamin, and tribe of Levi, with a small remnant of the northern 10 tribes which left the north when Jeroboam setup calf idol worship in the north. And the foreigners that became converts to Judaism at Judea also are included with those 3 tribes at Jerusalem-Judea. This is BIBLE HISTORY 101, and secular history. You need to study about that starting in 1 Kings 11 through to the end of 2 Kings 17. Those 3 tribes at Jerusalem-Judea represented the "house of Judah". And today that is who the JEWS represent, NOT Christ's Church.

I still see that you lacks understanding,

Eze 37:16
(16) Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

The first stick represents Judah/Israel which represents the original covenant people the Jews. The second stick represents Joseph/Ephraim which often interpreted as the northern tribes, or symbolically the Gentiles who are grafted in.

The prophecy is NOT talking about political reunification of Israel. It is about spiritual unity. In the New Testament, this is fulfilled IN CHRIST! Didn't He say that the Jews and Gentiles are now ONE BODY, breaking down the partition between them, Ephesians 2:14-16?? And Christ ist he Lord over BOTH, forming ONE kingdom and ONE congregation, Selah!

Therefore, the stick of Judah and the stick of Ephraim become ONE in the hand of God, which mirrors the church of ALL believers, Jew and Gentile alike, under Christ's Lordship as the context of Ezekiel 37 shows. It is about unity THROUGH FAITH, not through ethnicity or political lineage. Sorry!

So... Ezekiel 37:16-17 prophetically foreshadows the unification of the Old Testament covenant people (Jews) and the New Testament covenant people (Gentiles) into one spiritual kingdom under Christ, breaking down the barriers between them. The land of verse 21 is a spiritual promised land - not a land in the Middle East as you think!

By the way, I think you need some sleep. I can see that you are been going all over the places away from initial subject we discussed. Good night!

 

[Davy]

Shhhhhh… for the third time now, I’ve asked you for chapter and verse. Still waiting. I’m not here for your imaginative speculations. Take all the time you need—if you’re actually serious about handling God’s Word.

You well know where Christ's warning about the coming false-Messiah is written. Nor did He only give that warning, which I'm pretty sure you already know about too, especially if you have read specific posts I have covered on that topic, which has been fairly often here on this forum.

So quit trying to play coy.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You well know where Christ's warning about the coming false-Messiah is written. Nor did He only give that warning, which I'm pretty sure you already know about too, especially if you have read specific posts I have covered on that topic, which has been fairly often here on this forum.

I’m still waiting. Because if you refuse then clearly it’s a speculation, eh?

Go to sleep, Davy

 

[Davy]

What about them?


Once again, you misunderstood Romans 11.
Paul says, “blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in” (Romans 11:25, KJV). That means the partial blindness continues until all the Elect are gathered in, not until some future lifting of blindness on national Israel.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
Why is this fellow trying to hide what Apostle Paul showed about God having spiritually BLINDED the majority of Jews?

Paul's mention of the time for the fullness of the Gentiles would have no point without first understanding it is about the BLINDNESS GOD Himself put upon the unbelieving Jews away from The Gospel, so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles.

That fullness of the Gentiles coming in is about when the Gentiles belief on The Gospel of Jesus Christ is completed for this present world on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming. THAT... is when Apostle Paul pointed to the Jew's BLINDNESS being removed. Want an example by Lord Jesus Himself? Here...

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

Lord Jesus on His way to be crucified, those Daughters of Jerusalem wept for Him. But He told them to weep for themselves, and for their children instead.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us' and to the hills, 'Cover us'.
KJV

Because the days will come (at the END of this world when Jesus returns), when those will be saying that, "Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck," about Christ's elect who waited for HIm.

Lord Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 54 about 'Blessed are the barren'. It's about the idea of spiritual worship. The woman whose womb is barren and without child represents Paul's "chaste virgin" idea. It means the barren woman waited on Jesus to come instead of falling away to another. In THIS warning to the JEWS by Lord Jesus, He is pointing how the JEWS at the END will NOT be like the barren chaste woman, but instead be a spiritual HARLOT by bowing to the fake Messiah that comes first! And thus she (deceived Jews) will be wishing for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us."

That reveals the BLINDED Jews will remain spiritually BLINDED to the day of Christ's FUTURE return.

But of course, the ORTHODOX JEWS would want to naturally mock that understanding above from Bible Scripture, because GOD indeed has blinded the majority of the Jews today.

 

[Davy]

I’m still waiting. Because if you refuse then clearly it’s a speculation, eh?

Go to sleep, Davy

YOUR rules do not apply here, for even the rules YOU make up here are FALSE, just like the rest of your mocking against God's written Word.

Have you not read Matthew 24:23-26?
Have you not read 2 Thessalonians 2:3-9?
Have you not read Revelation 13:11-14?
Have you not read 2 Corinthians 11?
Have you not read Daniel 7 about the "little horn"?
Have not read Revelation 12:7-17 about Satan and his angels cast out of Heaven?
Have you not read Daniel 11 about the acts of the "vile person"?

 

[soberxp]

Abdullah Hashem Aba al Shadiq
("Aba al Shadiq" means Father of the Truthful One)
has declared himself the ONE, the promised One, the heir to Jesus and Mohammad, an offspring of Mary and Mohammad.
"I am the successor of Jesus, Simon Peter, I am Qayam, which means the standing, but also the has other connotations. From the same root is an attribute of God, the Sustainer, the Eternal.
"I am the legitimate Pope" and he is "above all" religious/ spiritual leaders.
He said he is the one foretold by Isaiah.
He says he is the Savior of all three religions.

His book, ( his gospel) The Goal of the Wise, published 2022 received the 2025 Award for Best Internatinal Book on religion and spirituality.
This book was awarded in Turin, Italy of all places. He wasn't there to accept it. Clever to avoid making blasphemous claims yet.
The "Goal of the Wise reveals the truth of so many religious misunderstandings and historical corruptions. It brings to light the hidden symbolism behind the Tree of Immortality, points out a covert war of bloodlines in the Torah and explains how One God has brought about so many different religions." [AI summation].
His religion seems to blend Christianity, Judaism and Islam together. >> The problem is, Islam ( the Koran), is false and not in harmony with the teachings of the Bible.
Some say he plagerized ideas from the Gospel Barnabus, a 15th century fabrication.

I listened to his speech. It contained truths that were mixed with lies and deception. He said the Comforter was Mohammad. Christians recognize th Comforter as the Holy Spirit, who lives in us.

The Antichrist? We'll see. Maybe just another false prophet.

His fast popularity and growth in followers remind me of Obama on 2015, when he was elevated, hailed and honored ... for actually accomplishing nothing - it was a facade. He was a community organizer.


The Mahdi Has Appeared - YouTube The Mahdi Has Appeared

Abdullah Hashem claims he is not the Messiah, identifies Jesus as the Messiah; and denies that he is the Antichrist! He suggests the Antichrist is not one person but the USA itself.

The "beanie" he wears, he explains us his crown, and it is a symbol of the working man and the poor man. No it isn't. Yet, he presents himself on elevated, large stages and podiums, looking down on his followers who chant some sort of allegiant scripted liturgical phrase(s)

His followers claim he has preformed miracles - unsubstantiated thus far. However the real Antichrist will perform miracles, once Satan enters into him.
So far, he hasn't walked into a Mosque or Church and claimed to be God, just the successor of Christ, Mohammad, the 2nd Mahdi, rightful new Pope.
What say you?

It sounds like his ideas seem to be the same as what the Quran says, which is nothing surprising—because the first few chapters of the Quran recognize Judaism and Christianity and urge the two sides to reconcile.

To those who are reading this,

I want to ask a question: If someone writes a novel based on lies,

is the first part of the novel the most crucial part that determines the whole book?

If you agree with the above view, then why do you all say that this lying novel opposes Christianity?

It is impossible for him to say that he recognizes Christianity on the one hand and claim that God has no children on the other.

 

[Douggg]

Dougggg your understanding of the scriptures is far from perfect judging from what you are continually posting.

Jay, I asked you....

Jay, what bible passage (from the translation you use) are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven" ?

You have not pointed out the bible passage because you made it up. There is no bible passage that says
"four fallen winds of heaven".

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, I asked you....

Jay, what bible passage (from the translation you use) are you reading "four fallen winds of heaven" ?

You have not pointed out the bible passage because you made it up. There is no bible passage that says
"four fallen winds of heaven".

Would Ephesians 6:12 qualify for you Dougggggggg where the wicked heavenly hosts are fallen angels/winds of heaven.

 

[Douggg]

Would Ephesians 6:12 qualify for you Dougggggggg where the wicked heavenly hosts are fallen angels/winds of heaven.

Ephesians 6:12 does not say anything about the winds of heaven.

Copy and paste Ephesians 6:12 from the bible translation you are using.

 

[soberxp]

Ephesians 6:12

It sounds like Ragnarök in Norse mythology.

 

[Jay Ross]

Ephesians 6:12 does not say anything about the winds of heaven.

Copy and paste Ephesians 6:12 from the bible translation you are using.

I was waiting for your negative response.

Your defence is that if you do not find it written in the scriptures as I have stated, then that possibility is simply wrong from your perspective..

Wind is often associated with a spiritual entity, i.e. a heavenly host. Since the beasts are spiritual heavenly hosts then the fallen angles and the four winds of heaven is just another way of describing the same entity.

Many of the errors that are contained in what you post is caused by this blinkered reading of the scriptures.