70th Week and Day of the Lord are separate events.

[quietthinker]

Here come all the SDA cult members now with their 2 cents.

The idea that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week during His Ministry is a false doctrine from the UNBELIEVING JEWS. Many of the doctrines of JUDAISM has infiltrated the Seventh Day Adventist cult.

You have no idea what you are talking about!

 

[Douggg]

Why do you say that Jesus did not fulfill the 70th week of the prophecy?

Are you talking saying He did not fulfill the 6 God given requirements from His Father that are identified in 9:24?

Are you saying that He did not arrive after the end on the 69th week of the prophecy to begin His ministry?

Are you saying He did not begin His ministry after the 7 and 62 weeks (AFTER 69 weeks), and minister for exactly 3.5 years and then go to the cross?

Do you realize the purpose of the separation of the 70 weeks was to reveal the assignment for each party to RESTORE what was taken away or destroyed by the Babylonians?

Do you understand that God had given His people the first 69 weeks for them to restore all the physical elements- Temple, roads, walls, sanctuary, as well as all of the ceremonies, animal sacrifices, feast days, etc.?

Do you understand these elements that were either taken away or destroyed by the Babylonians were restored in the exact reverse order they were taken away?

Do you understand that the very first item taken away was the Ark of the Covenant by Jeremiah BEFORE the Babylonians came to ensure they would not have taken it away?

Do you realize that was purposeful because it would also be the very last item to be restored?

Do you know that this was the only item that was taken away that could not be restored by His people? The only One capable of restoring the “Presence of God” in the sanctuary (Ark) was Jesus Himself? (This is why everything had to be restored prior to His arrival on the first day of the 70th week). Everything had to be ready for Him. That He certainly could not go to the cross as the Passover Lamb of God if everything was not completely restored and He was the ONLY missing element?

Do you understand that both parties (His people and the Messiah) completed their individual obligations in the restoring of every piece of furniture and every ceremony, practice, etc., that was given to them? His people completed their assignments by the end of week 69, and Jesus would complete His assignments in the final “set aside” week of the prophecy…

Have you given any thought to why God specifically has given us two specific verses (9:24-25) that reveal the “restorative” verses, (all things that must be and were restored by both parties), and then revealed separately, the two “destructive” verses in 9:26-27?

Did you realize that both the 7 and 62 sections were purposefully recorded in the “restorative” verses to reflect both parties obligations?

Did you realize that within the two “destructive” verses that God would only record separately the death of the Messiah- (after 69 weeks), and then the destruction of the city, Temple, sanctuary, (70 AD) - once again, now in reverse order of their prior restoration?

Do you see just how meticulously God designed everything- the exact start and end of the prophecy and exactly when and by whom the elements would be restored, as well as the timing of their destruction and in their order?

I can assure you the SDA folks have not preached this!! They do believe the Messiah was crucified in the final week of the prophecy- because that is exactly what those verses tell us- history records it perfectly!

Perhaps you might consider the above and also understand that here are even more findings within these 4 verses than shown above.

The 70th week is still unfulfilled. All 15 of the time of the end times frames fit within the 70th week, see first chart. Time frames by chapter, see second chart. Like time frames are color coded the same.

 

[covenantee]

The 70th week is still unfulfilled. All 15 of the time of the end times frames fit within the 70th week, see first chart. Time frames by chapter, see second chart. Like time frames are color coded the same.

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Obviously you don't understand the meaning of "determined".

Get back to us when you do.

 

[covenantee]

Here come all the SDA cult members now with their 2 cents.

The idea that Jesus fulfilled the 70th week during His Ministry is a false doctrine from the UNBELIEVING JEWS. Many of the doctrines of JUDAISM has infiltrated the Seventh Day Adventist cult.

160AD Clement of Alexandria (On Daniel 9:24-27 ; The 'Seventy Weeks' of Daniel)

From the captivity at Babylon, which took place in the time of Jeremiah the prophet, was fulfilled what was spoken by Daniel the prophet as follows: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to seal sins, and to wipe out and make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies."

Clement was not a Jew.
Clement was not an SDA.


200AD Hippolytus of Rome (70 weeks)

That transgressions, therefore, are blotted out, and that reconciliation is made for sins, is shown by this. But who are they who have reconciliation made for their sins, but they who believe on His name, and propitiate His countenance by good works? And that after the return of the people from Babylon there was a space of 434 years until the time of the birth of Christ, may be easily understood. For, since the first covenant was given to the children of Israel after a period of 434 years, it follows that the second covenant also should be defined by the same space of time, in order that it might be expected by the people and easily recognised by the faithful. 17. And for this reason Gabriel says: "And to anoint the Most Holy." And the Most Holy is none else but the Son of God alone, who, when He came and manifested Himself, said to them, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because He has anointed me;" and so forth.

Hippolytus was not a Jew.
Hippolytus was not an SDA.


Keep your nuggets of nonsense coming. Entertainment always welcome.

 

[jeffweeder]

The 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Is the following red highlight unfulfilled?


24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.


Heb 9
12 He went once for all into the Holy Place [the Holy of Holies of heaven, into the presence of God], and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, having obtained and secured eternal redemption [that is, the salvation of all who personally believe in Him as Savior].


.. but now once for all at the consummation of the ages He has appeared and been publicly manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.



27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes certain] judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once and once for all to bear [as a burden] the sins of many, will appear a second time [when he returns to earth], not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are eagerly and confidently waiting for Him.


Clearly he has already dealt with atoning for sin and therefore the 70 weeks.



All 6 points happen at the conclusion of 70 weeks.

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Obviously you don't understand the meaning of "determined".

Get back to us when you do.

No, Douggg won't.

 

[Douggg]

All 6 points happen at the conclusion of 70 weeks.

24 “Seventy weeks [of years, or 490 years] have been decreed for your people and for your holy city (Jerusalem),

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sins,
to make atonement (reconciliation) for wickedness,
to bring in everlasting righteousness (right-standing with God),
to seal up vision and prophecy and prophet,
and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

Jeff, are you of the opinion that the 70 weeks are complete ?

The abomination of desolation which is included in Daniel 9:27 is time of the end.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

You did not address the specific time of the end time frames given in the bible, my post #42. All fit within the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

 

[Douggg]

No, Douggg won't.

btw, did you miss my question in another thread of what you mean by "old testament congregation" ?

You explained your use of "new testament congregation" as referring to the church.

But what is you meaning of "old testament congregation" ?

 

[TribulationSigns]

btw, did you miss my question in another thread of what you mean by "old testament congregation" ?

You explained your use of "new testament congregation" as referring to the church.

But what is you meaning of "old testament congregation" ?

You are playing game. You know fully well what it refers to. Research on it yourself like you did with the Covenant theology.

 

[Douggg]

Obviously you don't understand the meaning of "determined".

Get back to us when you do.

I don't see what that has to do with the 15 time of the end time frames given the bible.

Seventy weeks are "determined" in Daniel 9:24 means that God has decided upon there being 70 weeks (of years) for completion of those things listed in Daniel 9:24.

Now what about the 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible ? Did you notice that all 15 come from just three books in the bible - Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation ?

In making time lines, the like times frames go together, in either the first half or second half of the 70th week (of Ezekiel 39:9 and Daniel 9:27).

 

[TribulationSigns]

I don't see what that has to do with the 15 time of the end time frames given the bible.

Seventy weeks are "determined" in Daniel 9:24 means that God has decided upon there being 70 weeks for completion of those things listed in Daniel 9:24.

Now what about the 15 time of the end time frames given in the bible ? Did you notice that all 15 come from just three books in the bible - Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation ?

What is with you and your obsession over these so-called '15 end-time periods'? You are making the same mistake many do before you - - forcing everything into literal time frames within 7 years as you believe is Daniel's final week. That’s completely biblically wrong. Prophecy is not bound by your calendar; it’s spiritual truth revealed in symbolic language that has everything to do with New Testament congregation (hope you recognize it as the church). Trying to squeeze God’s redemptive plan into your literal timeline between nation Israel and your vision of evil beast king shows a lack of spiritual discernment."

 

[JLB]

I'm 58. Been interested since I was young. Read The Sign by Van Kampen, Revelations by Beale, and other books, but I am by no means an expert, just looking for interesting discussion. Like MacArthur said, "We read books to get to the ending." A futurist viewpoint is valuable. We can explain to the bewildered why the world seems crazy and give them the Gospel. The "Apocalypse" is in the cultural consciousness, so those alive when it happens will turn to the Bible when shit goes down. Ultimately, Jesus told us to watch.

‘Can we discuss some key facts about Daniel’s 70 weeks?


“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), Matthew 24:15

 

[jeffweeder]

Jeff, are you of the opinion that the 70 weeks are complete ?

You know I am.

The abomination of desolation which is included in Daniel 9:27 is time of the end.

What has that to do with the 70 weeks?
What is explained there is the aftermath of Jesus completed 70weeks work. Jesus prophesied that happening, and it happened 40 years after his redeeming work to bring a complete atonement for sin , transgression, iniquity.
The 70 weeks are fulfilled by his cross.

You did not address the specific time of the end time frames given in the bible, my post #42. All fit within the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

And you are not addressing the full and complete Atonement of the Lord that was prophesied to occur in a 70week timeframe that is clearly in the past.

 

[Douggg]

And you are not addressing the full and complete Atonement of the Lord that was prophesied to occur in a 70week timeframe that is clearly in the past.

The Jews are still in unbelief of the plan of salvation. That will change during the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, soon to take place.

 

[covenantee]

Seventy weeks are "determined" in Daniel 9:24 means that God has decided upon there being 70 weeks (of years) for completion of those things listed in Daniel 9:24.

No, it doesn't.

2852 [e]
neḥ·taḵ
נֶחְתַּ֥ךְ
are determined
V‑Nifal‑Perf‑3ms

"(properly) to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree"

It means that they are "cut off", forming a unit comprised of all 70.

Not your 69 with a decapitated orphaned undetermined 70th.

I believe Daniel when he said "Seventy".

You should too.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The Jews are still in unbelief of the plan of salvation. That will change during the 70th week of Daniel 9:27, soon to take place.

Wrong — completely wrong.

Nowhere in Scripture does God promise a second chance of salvation for the Jews or for national Israel after the Church’s great commission is complete. The plan of salvation has always been one, through Christ alone — for both Jew and Gentile alike (Romans 1:16; Galatians 3:28).

Paul made it clear that ‘there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him’ (Romans 10:12). The idea that God has a separate, future plan of salvation for Israel outside the Church is pure dispensational error — it denies the unity of God’s covenant people.

The ‘70th week’ of Daniel was fulfilled in Christ, who confirmed the covenant with many by His death and resurrection (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 9:15). To say this week is still future is to reject the finished work of Christ and the full revelation of the gospel.

The unbelief of Israel today is not because they are waiting for another dispensation — it is because, as Scripture says, ‘blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in’ (Romans 11:25). When that fullness is complete, it is not a new offer of salvation, but the completion of the one plan of redemption already set forth in Christ (Ephesians 1:10).

So stop dividing what God has already made one body (Ephesians 2:14–16). Your view is not biblical prophecy — it’s dispensational fantasy, even if you deny that you are a dispensationalist yourself."

 

[covenantee]

‘Can we discuss some key facts about Daniel’s 70 weeks?


“Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), Matthew 24:15

The first fact you need to recognize is that the 70th week is determined along with the other 69.

As Daniel declared, "Seventy weeks are determined".

 

[Douggg]

What is with you and your obsession over these so-called '15 end-time periods'? You are making the same mistake many do before you - - forcing everything into literal time frames within 7 years as you believe is Daniel's final week. That’s completely biblically wrong. Prophecy is not bound by your calendar;

I did not create the time frames. The prophecy time frames were given by God to the servants of God of things to come. I love God and I desire to know and understand those things to come.

 

[jeffweeder]

The Jews are still in unbelief of the plan of salvation.

Some are. His atonement is still a hard-earned reality
Some did believe in him and eat the fruit of his atonement, and the Lord calls them people his own. They blessed us with NT scriptures.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I did not create the time frames. The prophecy time frames were given by God to the servants of God of things to come. I love God and I desire to know and understand those things to come.

It was not given to people like you because they have a carnal mind, interpreting God’s Word through the lens of literal time periods to defend a false 7-year doctrine. Many claim to love God, yet few are granted spiritual understanding to discern His mysteries. Your interpretation is wrong, plainly because it springs from a fleshly mind and is deeply corrupted by the errors of premillennial teaching - - a doctrine that blinds rather than enlightens.