Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

[Ronald D Milam]

Is 69 1/2 weeks AFTER 69 weeks? or is it before 69 weeks or the same as 69 weeks. I'm pretty sure that 69 1/2 weeks is AFTER 69 weeks.

LOL, is 100 weeks afterwards, or a Billion years ?

After 69 weeks in the Prophesy means 69 weeks exactly, it means after 483 years exactly.

The Bible also mentions that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be a total of 69 weeks. Do you skip this or should you recognize that Jesus arrives as Messiah 69 weeks of 7 after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Then 3 and a half year later, Messiah is cut off at His death on the cross.

There were no verses so let me divide it properly, we have one to many verses being technical.

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(7 weeks NOT 7 1/2 weeks ,) AND threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.26 AND after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself(So, Jesus dies after the 7 weeks (49 years) AND the 62 weeks(434 years which ads up to 483 years, its clear to see the AC/Beast below makes a SEPARATE 7 year agreement for the final 7 years being spoken about) :

and the people(Romans in 70 AD) of the prince that shall come(AC/Little Horn/Beast) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(in 70 AD) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(In 70 AD the Romans destroyed the city and the Diaspora happened). 27 And he(The prince to come in the end times) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (Or the final 7 years you say is only 3.5 years I guess) and in the midst of the week(So, in the MIDDLE of the final 7 years, nit the final 3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

How do you come up with Gods wrath being 1260 days long. The wrath of God is ONE YEAR.

Isaiah 61
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The Day of the Lord, Year of the Lord, the Babylon Judgment comes in ONE HOUR all add up the 1260 days. But here you misunderstand Both the Day of the Lord and the acceptable year merely points to it starting on a DAY in a YEAR of God's CHOOSING.

 

[Jay Ross]

The day of vengeance lasts for one year. The scripture is clear enough.

Isaiah 34
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

The scripture is not clear enough that H:8141 has a duration of just one year, as its meaning is "a revolution of time" which could include a "generation" or and "age."

The English KJV may support your point of view, but the Hebrew text does not. This is how the NET translation presents this verse: -

Isa 34:8-12

8 For the Lord has planned a day of revenge,​

a time when he will repay Edom for her hostility toward Zion.​

9 Edom's streams will be turned into pitch​

and her soil into brimstone;​

her land will become burning pitch.​

10 Night and day it will burn;​

its smoke will ascend continually.​

Generation after generation it will be a wasteland​

and no one will ever pass through it again.​

11 Owls and wild animals will live there,​

all kinds of wild birds will settle in it.​

The Lord will stretch out over her​

the measuring line of ruin​

and the plumb line of destruction.​

12 Her nobles will have nothing left to call a kingdom​

and all her officials will disappear.​

(from The NET Bible®, Copyright © 1996-2006 by Biblical Studies Press, L.L.C., Dallas, Texas, www.bible.org. All rights reserved. Used by permission.)

The English Standard Version expresses it this way: -

Isa 34:8-12

8 For the Lord has a day of vengeance,​

a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.​

9 And the streams of Edom shall be turned into pitch,​

and her soil into sulfur;​

her land shall become burning pitch.​

10 Night and day it shall not be quenched;​

its smoke shall go up forever.​

From generation to generation it shall lie waste;​

none shall pass through it forever and ever.​

11 But the hawk and the porcupine shall possess it,​

the owl and the raven shall dwell in it.​

He shall stretch the line of confusion over it,​

and the plumb line of emptiness.​

12 Its nobles—there is no one there to call it a kingdom,​

and all its princes shall be nothing.​

ESV​

I tread softly with the scriptures and do not look for a verse that might support my POV.

Shalom

 

[The Light]

LOL, is 100 weeks afterwards, or a Billion years ?

After 69 weeks in the Prophesy means 69 weeks exactly, it means after 483 years exactly.

Not much good in math I see.

It's 69 week unto Messiah the prince. That mean Messiah shows up exactly 483 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

After 69 weeks, Messiah is cut off at His death. That's 3.5 years after He shows up as Messiah.

I don't care what you have been taught. Do the math..........if you can.

So, Jesus dies after the 7 weeks (49 years) AND the 62 weeks(434 years which ads up to 483 years,

No, not a chance. Jesus shows up as Messiah 483 years after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. 3.5 years later, He is cut off at His death.

This is simple mathematics, probably the equivalent of an 8th grade math word problem.

We have proof that there are only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. You don't even have to do math here. You just need to know that time, times and an half..........is 3.5 years.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

its clear to see the AC/Beast below makes a SEPARATE 7 year agreement for the final 7 years being spoken about) :

You must be reading a bad translation. Try KJV. It says that he, the rider on the white horse, CONFIRMS a 7 year covenant with many. Completely different than making a 7 year covenant. And this can be done years after the covenant has been made.

and the people(Romans in 70 AD) of the prince that shall come(AC/Little Horn/Beast) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;(in 70 AD) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined(In 70 AD the Romans destroyed the city and the Diaspora happened).

The people of the prince that shall come destroy the 3rd Temple, that has not been built yet. It's not the Romans.

27 And he(The prince to come in the end times) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: (Or the final 7 years you say is only 3.5 years I guess) and in the midst of the week(So, in the MIDDLE of the final 7 years, nit the final 3.5 years)

No, the final 7 years begins when a 7 year covenant with many is made. It does not have to be confirmed until years later. The reason I mention 3.5 is because Messiah the prince is cut off after 3.5 years of the 70th week Daniel. That leaves 3.5 years.........Just as Daniel 12 tells us.

Quit listening to baloney that has been passed down for decades and do the math yourself........if you can. If not check with the eighth grader next door.

The Day of the Lord, Year of the Lord, the Babylon Judgment comes in ONE HOUR all add up the 1260 days. But here you misunderstand Both the Day of the Lord and the acceptable year merely points to it starting on a DAY in a YEAR of God's CHOOSING.

The day of vengeance is one year. The Day of the Lord is completely different than the day vengeance. The Day of the Lord is destruction from the Almighty. It will happen in one day.

 

[The Light]

ESV​

I tread softly with the scriptures and do not look for a verse that might support my POV.

Shalom

I read the scripture. Then the scripture becomes my point of view.

 

[Jay Ross]

I read the scripture. Then the scripture becomes my point of view.

It's the bias perspective that you read the scriptures with that is leading you astray.

 

[The Light]

It's the bias perspective that you read the scriptures with that is leading you astray.

What bias would that be?

 

[Jay Ross]

What bias would that be?

The outcome that you want to believe.

 

[The Light]

The outcome that you want to believe.

Well, as I said what I believe is what the scriptures say. I think it's more of a case of you own bias does not allow you to see what is written.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well, as I said what I believe is what the scriptures say. I think it's more of a case of you own bias does not allow you to see what is written.

I let the scriptures speak and to tell me what I should understand. Many force the wrong understanding of the Greek word "Genea" to come to an understanding that is applicable to this present time and not in keeping with the understanding that was being conveyed during the Mt Olivet discourse.

You believe that you have arrived at the right understanding for Matt 24:34, while I, on the other hand, know that your understanding is not what Christ had said.

Hosea 6:1-3 speaks of three days of the lord/generation/ages, each of which have the same duration. The end of the fourth generation in Exodus 20:4-6 will happen, as I understand the timeline, 96 years after the year 1948 AD when the fig tree, i.e. Israel, begins to start budding fig leaves, after which God will begin gathering the Israelites to Himself and planting them in His fertile soil/field and teaching them about the rock that comes down from heaven to become the largest mountain/religion in all of the earth. God promised a period of peace for Israel when they turned once more towards Him for 1,000 years because God had judged the wicked fallen heavenly host and imprisoned them with the judged kings of the earth in the Bottomless pit to await the time of their punishment. (Isaiah 24:21-22). This time period fulfills Daniel's prophecy that the beasts will be kept alive for a season and a Little While period. (Daniel 7:11-12). The Summer Season mentioned in Matthew 24:32 has a duration of 1,000 peaceful solar years. The little while period is the balance of the Seventh Age, where I understand that an age has a duration of 1,024 solar years which means that Satan, the Beast, the Little Horn/False Prophet and the judged kings of the earth has a short period of time in which to do their worst before they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire, before Christ's return.

You want all of what was revealed in Matthew 24 and 25 to occur during the life of those alive when Jesus sat on the mt Olivett summit revealing what was to come over the next three ages. At present we are only approaching the end of the sixth age. Their is still another age to come after this present age.

You can believe me or reject what I have presented. That is in God's hands for Him to confirm tp you whether or not I am presenting His truth.

Shalom

 

[markalan]

Is 69 1/2 weeks AFTER 69 weeks? or is it before 69 weeks or the same as 69 weeks. I'm pretty sure that 69 1/2 weeks is AFTER 69 weeks.

I believe you have it correct.

We can see in Daniel 8:1 that "after" (ahar) refers to sequence ... it does not mean immediately after ... it was actually two years after Daniel chapter 7.

Daniel 8:1
"In the third year of King Belshazzar’s reign, I, Daniel, had a vision,
after the one that had already appeared to me."

 

[The Light]

I let the scriptures speak and to tell me what I should understand. Many force the wrong understanding of the Greek word "Genea" to come to an understanding that is applicable to this present time and not in keeping with the understanding that was being conveyed during the Mt Olivet discourse.

You believe that you have arrived at the right understanding for Matt 24:34, while I, on the other hand, know that your understanding is not what Christ had said.

Hosea 6:1-3 speaks of three days of the lord/generation/ages, each of which have the same duration. The end of the fourth generation in Exodus 20:4-6 will happen, as I understand the timeline, 96 years after the year 1948 AD when the fig tree, i.e. Israel, begins to start budding fig leaves, after which God will begin gathering the Israelites to Himself and planting them in His fertile soil/field and teaching them about the rock that comes down from heaven to become the largest mountain/religion in all of the earth. God promised a period of peace for Israel when they turned once more towards Him for 1,000 years because God had judged the wicked fallen heavenly host and imprisoned them with the judged kings of the earth in the Bottomless pit to await the time of their punishment. (Isaiah 24:21-22). This time period fulfills Daniel's prophecy that the beasts will be kept alive for a season and a Little While period. (Daniel 7:11-12). The Summer Season mentioned in Matthew 24:32 has a duration of 1,000 peaceful solar years. The little while period is the balance of the Seventh Age, where I understand that an age has a duration of 1,024 solar years which means that Satan, the Beast, the Little Horn/False Prophet and the judged kings of the earth has a short period of time in which to do their worst before they are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire, before Christ's return.

You want all of what was revealed in Matthew 24 and 25 to occur during the life of those alive when Jesus sat on the mt Olivett summit revealing what was to come over the next three ages. At present we are only approaching the end of the sixth age. Their is still another age to come after this present age.

You can believe me or reject what I have presented. That is in God's hands for Him to confirm tp you whether or not I am presenting His truth.

Shalom

Thank you for your thoughts.