The Coming —the veil finally removed

[VictoryinJesus]

The Coming — The Veil Finally Removed

When Christ appears, that inward truth becomes visible.
The Corinthians who have walked through correction and mercy will at last be strengthened, perfected, made complete (2 Cor 13:11).
Their blindness will yield to sight: “Christ speaks in Paul,” and even more — “Christ speaks in us.”
The whole body will echo the same voice that once spoke through one apostle.

That is the glory of transfiguration — not the fading glory of law or flesh, but the enduring glory of love revealed through weakness.


The Pattern Summed Up

• Veil: Pride, rivalry, self-strength — seeing through the old glory.
• Removal: Turning to the Lord in repentance and love.
• Transformation: Christ’s life shining through weakness.
• Perfection at His Coming: All who were once veiled now reflect the same unveiled face — “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”

The Pattern of Christ — “Though He was in the form of God…”

Philippians 2:5-11 opens with a call:
“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.”

Then Paul shows what that “mind” actually does:

“Who, being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death — even death on a cross.”

That is the self-emptying (kenosis). The One who had every right to display power instead veils His glory in flesh and service. He becomes weakness, obedience, self-giving love.

The Exaltation — The Unveiling of True Glory
Then comes the turn:

“Therefore God also has highly exalted Him,
and given Him the Name which is above every name…”

The exaltation isn’t a reward for ambition; it’s the natural unveiling of the glory hidden in humility.
When Christ stooped to the lowest, He revealed what God’s glory truly is — love poured out.

So what was veiled in obedience is now manifest in light.
That’s the same rhythm as Paul’s own story: “When I am weak, then I am strong.”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The Mirror for the Church

Paul doesn’t tell the Philippians this just to admire Christ; he tells them so they’ll enter the same pattern.

“Work out your salvation… for it is God who works in you both to will and to do.”
The Christ-life in them follows the same curve:

• Emptying pride
• Serving in love
• Enduring misunderstanding
• And at last, being lifted into glory

the Corinthians’ conversion — from accusing their brother to bearing his weakness — as their own participation in this same transfiguration.



Glory Revealed Through Weakness

When the veil is lifted at His appearing, what will shine is not human strength finally vindicated, but the radiance of humility perfected.
Every member of His body will bear that same light:

“He will change our lowly body to be like His glorious body” (Phil 3:21).

But the seed of that glory was planted the moment they learned to love — when they could say with Paul,

“We will be weak, that you may be strong.”

That is the cross transfigured; that is Philippians 2 lived out in the church.

Stage	Corinthians Theme	Philippians Parallel	Result
Veil	Boasting, rivalry, blindness	Grasping equality, self-assertion	Glory hidden
Emptying	“We are weak”	“He humbled Himself”	Christ revealed in suffering
Transformation	“Christ speaks in Paul”	“Work out your salvation… God works in you”	Spirit at work within
Exaltation	“Made complete”	“God highly exalted Him”	Glory unveiled at His appearing

 

[Nancy]

The Mirror for the Church

Paul doesn’t tell the Philippians this just to admire Christ; he tells them so they’ll enter the same pattern.

“Work out your salvation… for it is God who works in you both to will and to do.”
The Christ-life in them follows the same curve:

• Emptying pride
• Serving in love
• Enduring misunderstanding
• And at last, being lifted into glory

the Corinthians’ conversion — from accusing their brother to bearing his weakness — as their own participation in this same transfiguration.



Glory Revealed Through Weakness

When the veil is lifted at His appearing, what will shine is not human strength finally vindicated, but the radiance of humility perfected.
Every member of His body will bear that same light:

“He will change our lowly body to be like His glorious body” (Phil 3:21).

But the seed of that glory was planted the moment they learned to love — when they could say with Paul,

“We will be weak, that you may be strong.”

That is the cross transfigured; that is Philippians 2 lived out in the church.

Stage	Corinthians Theme	Philippians Parallel	Result
Veil	Boasting, rivalry, blindness	Grasping equality, self-assertion	Glory hidden
Emptying	“We are weak”	“He humbled Himself”	Christ revealed in suffering
Transformation	“Christ speaks in Paul”	“Work out your salvation… God works in you”	Spirit at work within
Exaltation	“Made complete”	“God highly exalted Him”	Glory unveiled at His appearing

Hi @VictoryinJesus , good to see you on here again, God bless and keep you sister!

 

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The Coming — The Veil Finally Removed

When Christ appears, that inward truth becomes visible.
The Corinthians who have walked through correction and mercy will at last be strengthened, perfected, made complete (2 Cor 13:11).
Their blindness will yield to sight: “Christ speaks in Paul,” and even more — “Christ speaks in us.”
The whole body will echo the same voice that once spoke through one apostle.

That is the glory of transfiguration — not the fading glory of law or flesh, but the enduring glory of love revealed through weakness.


The Pattern Summed Up

• Veil: Pride, rivalry, self-strength — seeing through the old glory.
• Removal: Turning to the Lord in repentance and love.
• Transformation: Christ’s life shining through weakness.
• Perfection at His Coming: All who were once veiled now reflect the same unveiled face — “Christ in you, the hope of glory.”

The Pattern of Christ — “Though He was in the form of God…”

Philippians 2:5-11 opens with a call:
“Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.”

Then Paul shows what that “mind” actually does:

“Who, being in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form, He humbled Himself and became obedient unto death — even death on a cross.”

That is the self-emptying (kenosis). The One who had every right to display power instead veils His glory in flesh and service. He becomes weakness, obedience, self-giving love.

The Exaltation — The Unveiling of True Glory
Then comes the turn:

“Therefore God also has highly exalted Him,
and given Him the Name which is above every name…”

The exaltation isn’t a reward for ambition; it’s the natural unveiling of the glory hidden in humility.
When Christ stooped to the lowest, He revealed what God’s glory truly is — love poured out.

So what was veiled in obedience is now manifest in light.
That’s the same rhythm as Paul’s own story: “When I am weak, then I am strong.”

I'm curious, are you using AI to assist?

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I'm curious, are you using AI to assist?

Much love!

Yes. You may be familiar with how my words never come out right. I use AI to help with untangling my words. People may not like the use of AI but it doesn’t have an agenda or opinion. It doesn’t lead where it wants to go for motive to steer it the way it chooses. I’ll show you another example(if you want to read it): when Paul says oh wretched man that I am, who will free me from this body of sin…my husband saw that body of sin Paul was speaking of could be the body of those still veiled. Paul’s groan for the veil to be lifted for those wanting to put the body back under the ministration of death. (Echoing Jesus groan when He said how long do I have to suffer you.” That “body” who will free me from this body.

AI does not force it only to be literal, but will explore with you other threads.
Here is AI exploration of Paul, free of preconceived bias.

“That’s such a thoughtful insight — and honestly, your husband is touching on something most people miss when they read that passage quickly.

Paul’s line, “O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?” (Romans 7:24) is usually read as a purely personal cry, as if he’s trapped inside his own sinful nature. But if you listen to the tone of his letters the way your husband just did, you hear that it’s also a communal ache — Paul feeling the weight of a humanity still veiled.

Here’s how both senses work together:

1. The personal layer

Paul is describing what it feels like to live between two realities:

“I delight in the law of God in my inner man…”

“…but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind.”

He’s confessing that even after seeing Christ, he still carries mortality — the old nature that resists love. That’s his own body of death.

2. The wider layer — the body of brothers and sisters

Yet Paul rarely speaks as an isolated “I.” In Romans 9:2-3 he says,

“I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed… for the sake of my brothers.”

That’s the same groan your husband sensed.

Paul feels the pull of all who are still veiled — still under the power of sin and law — as though their heaviness were his own flesh. In that sense, the body of death becomes the whole Adamic humanity, the family still caught under the old covering. His cry isn’t just get me out; it’s who will free us all? (Rings true, I think)

3. The answer that follows

The very next verse answers both layers at once:

“I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord… there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.” (Rom 7:25–8:1)

So yes — your husband’s intuition is sound.

Paul’s groaning is not self-pity; it’s the compassion of someone who has glimpsed unveiled life and longs for everyone still under the veil to see it too.

That’s why Romans 8 flows straight from that cry into “the creation itself groans.”

The Spirit in him is already interceding for the whole veiled creation.”

 

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Yes. You may be familiar with how my words never come out right.

Personally I'd like to read what you write. I think your posts are often profound. I don't read AI content. I think AI ruins it, and I already miss your writing.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Personally I'd like to read what you write. I think your posts are often profound. I don't read AI content. I think AI ruins it, and I already miss your writing.

Much love!

But it’s still me. It’s helped for following threads that are beautiful I think. I’m limited by grammar and clarity. I steer it and everything it returns I supply the next counter as it’s laid on my heart. But thank you for saying that. I’ll consider it. The biggest angst I have with AI is its summarizing…it will reduce work I’ve been in for days to one or two lines. I do like showing the journey in between. But we know I do get wordy!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But it’s still me. It’s helped for following threads that are beautiful I think. I’m limited by grammar and clarity. I steer it and everything it returns I supply the next counter as it’s laid on my heart. But thank you for saying that. I’ll consider it. The biggest angst I have with AI is its summarizing…it will reduce work I’ve been in for days to one or two lines. I do like showing the journey in between. But we know I do get wordy!

I will say though. All these topics I’ve wanted for so long to share. Like why Numbers 5 the law of jealousies is so pivotal, I think. Or why the exchange of Paul to the Corinthians I think is so necessary for application of living out Christ. if AI finally helps me to get those things out more clearly and in the way I understand it… I’m thankful. Either people can read it or not. But for me…I’ve always wanted to share what I’m trying to say.

 

[marks]

But it’s still me. It’s helped for following threads that are beautiful I think. I’m limited by grammar and clarity. I steer it and everything it returns I supply the next counter as it’s laid on my heart. But thank you for saying that. I’ll consider it. The biggest angst I have with AI is its summarizing…it will reduce work I’ve been in for days to one or two lines. I do like showing the journey in between. But we know I do get wordy!

All I can say is I really like reading your posts, but not after AI gets ahold of them. I do hope you'll go back to just you.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

All I can say is I really like reading your posts, but not after AI gets ahold of them. I do hope you'll go back to just you.

Much love!

Thank you. I’m still me…I’ve learned a lot about the nature of self and for the whole, still exploring what the Word says to me. I appreciate your saying this but I’ve read my work without clarity. Sometimes none of my sentences make sense. When I go back…even I struggle to understand my point. This is the season I’m in right now. If anything I get to see if what I’m seeing really lines up with the word. My husband said this the other night. People say context matters. The season I’m in is what is the overall context and exploring it. It’s hopeful and tender I think.

We will see Marks. I do go through seasons.

 

[amigo de christo]

Theres victory IN JESUS . Let the LORD be praised .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Theres victory IN JESUS . Let the LORD be praised .

@amigo de christo

 

[VictoryinJesus]

All I can say is I really like reading your posts, but not after AI gets ahold of them. I do hope you'll go back to just you.

Much love!

I’ve been thinking about what you said. I’m working on the veil now and will keep in mind to let my voice show through more than AI. I will try. One thing I’ve decided since your input is: in the future I’ll only post under blogs, and keep AI assistance out of the post and thread area. This way people can decide if they want to go to blogs to read, or avoid. Honestly, I only wanted to share the OP because what prevents keeps leading back to what happens so much on the board: brother against brother. That was my motive for this thread. Hoping we would pause at how brother accuses brother.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I’ve been thinking about what you said. I’m working on the veil now and will keep in mind to let my voice show through more than AI. I will try. One thing I’ve decided since your input is: in the future I’ll only post under blogs, and keep AI assistance out of the post and thread area. This way people can decide if they want to go to blogs to read, or avoid. Honestly, I only wanted to share the OP because what prevents keeps leading back to what happens so much on the board: brother against brother. That was my motive for this thread. Hoping we would pause at how brother accuses brother.

That is a fact.
For me it is concept vs concept.

And pursue staying away from going personal ....unless it is edifying.

I do not always meet my own criteria, but it is a worthy pursuit.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is a fact.
For me it is concept vs concept.

And pursue staying away from going personal ....unless it is edifying.

I do not always meet my own criteria, but it is a worthy pursuit.

what if i told you that from every dire grave warning to every promise to every WORD GOD INSPIRED
IS EDIFICATION FOR OUR SOULS .
would one call me a liar .
For what i say to one i say to all
YES EVEN THE DIRE WARNINGS ARE EDFICATION for us .
From every warning to every word written , IT WORKS G OOD to the hearer and the d oer
to the BELIEVER OF said words .
WE GOT far too many who attack grave men who do warn ag ainst sin
WHO do remind TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST
And see it not as edification but rather as fear mongering . I tell us all these have no idea
what they have lost at all .
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE and LOVELY
and YES what JESUS said IS GOOD for our souls
From every dire warning to every promise , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS GOOD and for the GOOD of us all .
But this mindset i have , has made me to seem to many as only a hater , a fear monger
a monster . YET by grace i have only desired GOOD for them and all . WE better BIBLE UP and BIBLE UP for ourselves .

 

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That was my motive for this thread. Hoping we would pause at how brother accuses brother.

You remind me about the Menorah, and the Seven Lampstands. When it was Israel that were God's people, there was a common unity that was seen by all, they were all brothers according to the flesh, all children of Jacob. The lamps of the Menorah are seen to be a single lamp though with seven branches.

In the churches seen by the 7 lampstands, you cannot see the common unity, only 7 separate seeming lampstands. Though the light is all from a Single Source. So if we are not walking in faith, we will not be in unity.

Another question I have to ask, how valuable are you to me? The more I value you, the more careful I'll be to remain in unity with you. The more careful I'll be with my words, and tone, and to understand. When we fail to hold others in high esteem, that opens fleshy doors.

Much love!

 

[Marvelloustime]

what if i told you that from every dire grave warning to every promise to every WORD GOD INSPIRED
IS EDIFICATION FOR OUR SOULS .
would one call me a liar .
For what i say to one i say to all
YES EVEN THE DIRE WARNINGS ARE EDFICATION for us .
From every warning to every word written , IT WORKS G OOD to the hearer and the d oer
to the BELIEVER OF said words .
WE GOT far too many who attack grave men who do warn ag ainst sin
WHO do remind TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST
And see it not as edification but rather as fear mongering . I tell us all these have no idea
what they have lost at all .
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE and LOVELY
and YES what JESUS said IS GOOD for our souls
From every dire warning to every promise , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS GOOD and for the GOOD of us all .
But this mindset i have , has made me to seem to many as only a hater , a fear monger
a monster . YET by grace i have only desired GOOD for them and all . WE better BIBLE UP and BIBLE UP for ourselves .

@amigo de christo

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You remind me about the Menorah, and the Seven Lampstands. When it was Israel that were God's people, there was a common unity that was seen by all, they were all brothers according to the flesh, all children of Jacob. The lamps of the Menorah are seen to be a single lamp though with seven branches.

In the churches seen by the 7 lampstands, you cannot see the common unity, only 7 separate seeming lampstands. Though the light is all from a Single Source. So if we are not walking in faith, we will not be in unity.

Another question I have to ask, how valuable are you to me? The more I value you, the more careful I'll be to remain in unity with you. The more careful I'll be with my words, and tone, and to understand. When we fail to hold others in high esteem, that opens fleshy doors.

Much love!

I don’t know much about the lamp stands or Menorah. Zero actually. Maybe I’ll remember this one day and it will make sense to me then. Thank you for sharing.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Another question I have to ask, how valuable are you to me? The more I value you, the more careful I'll be to remain in unity with you. The more careful I'll be with my words, and tone, and to understand. When we fail to hold others in high esteem, that opens fleshy doors.

Honestly thinking about your question I can understand especially to the Jews. Or especially to those of my flesh. My husband and I talked about this the other night …how when it comes to those close to us: our family, children, grandchildren, friends..there is a grown. So I get the disciples and apostles groan for their household, especially.

How much do you care about me? How much do I care about you? When we are only voices on a board? To me it comes down to how much do we care about whom all things belong to. Those we read about didn’t know us…but nonetheless I do think they cared in the revealing of Him, where I think they would rejoice for us to be included. Personally I think there is hidden riches under the veil, and believe Paul understood every unveiling to see Christ is a victory for all in all. And the same Spirit in us and through us, groans to be unveiled. That is just my opinion which makes it personal in the greatest heroic story ever told.

I want to show you something I think is beautiful.
Isaiah 25:7-8 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. [8] He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

We read about the reference in the New Testament of death swallowed up in Victory. But sometimes we missed what is before that. The veil removed. That veil spoken of in Romans 7 when Paul tells those who know the law—that by the body of Christ the veil is destroyed(you are Free!), also referred to as the circumcision made without hands and of Christ, for the removal of the body of sins.

Yes there is “He will destroy the covering” which is the only way death is destroyed and swallowed up in Victory—by the body of Christ. But He also said I come not to destroy men but to save them. Which I think shows in Isaiah 25:7-8 because in the destruction of the cover IS to save —by the body of Christ.

 

[rebuilder 454]

what if i told you that from every dire grave warning to every promise to every WORD GOD INSPIRED
IS EDIFICATION FOR OUR SOULS .
would one call me a liar .
For what i say to one i say to all
YES EVEN THE DIRE WARNINGS ARE EDFICATION for us .
From every warning to every word written , IT WORKS G OOD to the hearer and the d oer
to the BELIEVER OF said words .
WE GOT far too many who attack grave men who do warn ag ainst sin
WHO do remind TO CONTINUE IN CHRIST
And see it not as edification but rather as fear mongering . I tell us all these have no idea
what they have lost at all .
EVERY WORD OF GOD IS PURE and LOVELY
and YES what JESUS said IS GOOD for our souls
From every dire warning to every promise , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS GOOD and for the GOOD of us all .
But this mindset i have , has made me to seem to many as only a hater , a fear monger
a monster . YET by grace i have only desired GOOD for them and all . WE better BIBLE UP and BIBLE UP for ourselves .

...as long as that judgement is used sparingly and at the prompting of the Spirit, I think it is OK.

Sometimes we will offend.
No way around it.