What are your beliefs of the thousand years?
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Revelation 20: the thousand years
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The 1,000 years in Rev 20:1-3, gives the actual timeframe of the many days that the Judged Kings of the earth and the Judged Heavenly will be imprisoned in the pit before the time of their final judgement spoken of in Isaiah 24:21-22 occurs.
Isaiah 24:21-22: -
21 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord will punish on high the host of exalted ones,
And on the earth/face of the land the kings of the earth/face of the land.
22 They will be gathered together,
As prisoners are gathered in the pit,
And will be shut up in the prison;
After many days they will be punished.
The 1000 yrs is just one example of the problem with Revelation in general. The entire book is full of symbolism and without knowing what the symbols represent it's impossible to know the true meaning of the book. First of all, who was it addressed to and what was the intended meaning to them? It was addressed to the 7 churches of Asia (Asia minor/Turkey) and intended to be read to them. They too would have had no idea what it meant without someone indicating to them as well, what the symbols meant. It's also clear that there is direct reference to the events of the seige and fall of Jerusalem in A.D 70 which also goes hand in hand with the gospels reference to tribulation i.e., Matthew 24. So, what does the "1000 years" really mean? Who really knows for sure in my view.
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A mention of the fullness of time which to me is 40 years concerning when Jesus told the people of the generation entailing the end. 1000 years is not literally 1000 years. I believe the reason the way Revelation was worded the way it was, because Romans wouldn't understand it. John wrote in a very Jewish way. He knew what to say incase it was to no reach the target audience, concerning the end.
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Greetings "TheOneHeLoves",
The prophecy of 1000 years fits neatly into all the OT prophecies such as Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:44 and Zechariah 14. It also fits neatly into the NT teaching and especially Acts 3:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 15.
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I consider that the 1000 years are literally the 1000 years that our Lord Jesus Christ will rule over the earth from the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem. He will be assisted by the faithful who will be made immortal at the beginning of the 1000 years and they will be kings and priests over the mortal nations and over converted natural Israel.
The prophecy of 1000 years fits neatly into all the OT prophecies such as Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:44 and Zechariah 14. It also fits neatly into the NT teaching and especially Acts 3:19-21 and 1 Corinthians 15.
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Are you open to a different viewpoint? that the 1K years is symbolic and refers to a time frame that is not known. That Satan was sentenced when Jesus went to cross, dead and resurrected and then right before Jesus returns Satan is unleashed and that is the great tribulation and then we have the final battle and he is thrown in lake of fire.
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Greetings again "TheOneHeLoves",
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I am open to considering a different viewpoint, and weigh the evidence of such a viewpoint against what I already believe.
I consider that the Kingdom of God will be established upon the earth when Jesus returns, and consistent with this, it lasts for a long time, a period of peace and righteousness and equity. This period is alluded to in a correct reading of 1 Corinthians 15 and necessitated by such passages as Isaiah 2:1-4, Daniel 2:44 and Zechariah 14. Revelation 20 is consistent with all of this, speaking of the return of Jesus, the reward of the faithful, their ruling with Jesus as kings and priests. The only detail that is new and not difficult to accept, is that this period of time will last 1000 years. We must be careful and attempt to understand and distinguish what is literal and what is symbolic.
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John 12:31-32 (Read 20-36)
John 14:30
John 16:11
Colossians 2:15 (read 6-15)
What I do see in Revelation there are different accounts of how evil will be destroyed. Just like we have 4 gospels, each from the writer's viewpoint but Jesus did not die 4 times right. John was given visions to see how things will end focusing on different aspects.
Jesus would give a lesson using several different situation parables to help us understand the message.
My question for you is, given that there is nothing that actually tells us the 1,000 refers to anything other than an actual 1,000 year period of time, why would we not understand it exactly that way?
Much love!
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Some of the early Church fathers, like Clement and Origen of the Alexandria, Egypt school around the 2nd century A.D. pushed a Gnostic doctrine that the "thousand years" of Rev.20 was just an allegory, and not meant literally, which began creeping into the Church at that time, as they tried to spiritualize many literal meanings in The Bible as being allegorical. Brethren in Christ today not aware of that Gnostic creeping in have fallen into deception to those false doctrines and don't realize it.
Isaiah 24:20-23 hints at the Rev,20 event of Satan being locked in his pit prison on the day of Christ's future return at the end of this world. It mentions kings of the world being gathered together as prisoners in the pit, shut up in the prison, and after many days shall be visited.
Isaiah 14:7-16 is about Lucifer. There it says the kings of the earth will speak and say to Lucifer, "Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?" That also is a pointer to the Rev.20 event when Satan is locked in his pit prison for the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign.
The Old Testament Scriptures does not have to say "thousand" in order to point directly to that future Rev.20 "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect, which will be a literal period.
Isaiah 24:20-23 hints at the Rev,20 event of Satan being locked in his pit prison on the day of Christ's future return at the end of this world. It mentions kings of the world being gathered together as prisoners in the pit, shut up in the prison, and after many days shall be visited.
Isaiah 14:7-16 is about Lucifer. There it says the kings of the earth will speak and say to Lucifer, "Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?" That also is a pointer to the Rev.20 event when Satan is locked in his pit prison for the time of Christ's "thousand years" reign.
The Old Testament Scriptures does not have to say "thousand" in order to point directly to that future Rev.20 "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect, which will be a literal period.
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Literal 1000 years with Lord reigning I Jerusalem. There are Covenant promises not yet fulfilled. There are descriptions of this MK that have never existed before.
Peace, harmony, under Jesus who is known, glorified a d worshipped by all nations. Animals in harmony- no predators, no prey:
Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established on top of the mountains and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it. Many people shall come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall come forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations and rebuke many people; they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." Isaiah 2:2-4)
The curse on creation, the botanicals and the animal kingdom will be removed and the entire world will live in peace.
“that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. Romans 8:21-22
CREATION WILL BE RESTORED ON EARTH.
Isaiah 11:6–9 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall graze; their young ones shall lie down together; and the Lion shall eat straw like the ox. The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole and the weaned child shall out his hand in the viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in My Holy mountain. For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea."
This is not symbolic, not in heaven, though animals are in heaven, but they have always been at peace. This is describing a new system, from an old corrupt sinful place to a 1000 years of peace. Symbolizing this to have existed is absurd.
>>>Notice, that everyone on earth shall worship the true God. Also, this describes the first earth, not the New Jerusalem, since there are mountains, nations and seas.
The nations _ on Earth _ shall visit the Lord annually.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Zech.14:16
Well I can't dispute that or agree based on what I stated. And as stated, the whole book is laden with symbols, so, which ones mean exactly what what they say verbatim, and which ones don't? How do you pick and choose? It's subjected doing that. Do you simply agree with the ones you like that maybe fit your religious beliefs, and not believe verbatim those that don't? There's no way to say which words are symbolic representing something else and which aren't. Honestly at this point I'm not certain about revelation. It, like all other writings written to people or churches, had meaning to them in their time as was meant to. I feel at least the 1st half is referring to the fall of Jerusalem, and the book was written prior to that, foretelling the event. If it were written after the fall of Jerusalem as some contend, I find it hard to believe there would be no mention of the seige and fall mentioned, which were for sure catastrophic and a great tribulation. Read the gospel accounts in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. Luke 21:20, specifically mentions Jerusalem and armies surrounding it. Revelation is a mystery and you can't decipher it's meaning without a clear, concise, understanding of all the symbols within it and who or what they are referring to.
I just go by what it says. Symbols are not only identified, but defined. And where that doesn't appear, I figure it means what it says.
So that the 7 golden lampstand are the 7 churches, a symbol, and the symbold defined. A another great sign in the heavens, a red dragon, a symbol, the dragon, that ancient serpent, Satan, a symbol defined.
And I heard the number of those sealed, 144,000, no mention of a symbol, no definition of the symbol, therefore, 144,000 Jewish males. Like that.
Personally I think it all works together in harmony when I look at it that way.
Much love!
The beast, the 2 witnesses, the star and wormwood, the woman and dragon, the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns and 10 crowns, 666, unclean spirits like frogs, the great whore, the woman on a scarlet colored beast, Babylon's fall, etc. Plus the temple was destroyed; will there became 3rd temple built? So, you believe what's written, eh? Does that mean you believe in the beast coming out of the water with 7 heads and 10 horns and crowns, or don't you take those words verbatim as you do the 1000 years? Believe what you like, but I struggle with revelation and always have.
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You are mocking... God in His Word, while you think you're being smart with mocking marks.
Before much of the Book of Revelation will be revealed to the serious Bible student, much of The Bible must first be read and understood. You have not done that, it is obvious.
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No, not at all. You can't answer the question so you're diverting the issue. My point was simple. You can't selectively choose which words are to be believed verbatim versus those that are symbols, which is what you're doing. There is no way to know what the true meaning is on Rev.
Davy: Your comments are pure evil. I pray that you repent!! How can you say you know THE WORD yet speak so ugly to your brother. Where is the love, grace and mercy?
I pray you grow and learn to have a conversation/debate without attacking and giving the label of being a Christian a bad name by how you handle disagreements.
Nobody knows for sure. Nobody even knows for sure if it is literal or symbolic. And if literal, for which period. And if symbolic, then for what.
The worst thing one can do is to be "certain" or to "believe" in somebody's guessing.
The worst thing one can do is to be "certain" or to "believe" in somebody's guessing.
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The Rev. 20 millennium was a literal thousand years which lasted from 968/967 BC until AD 33. It ended with the "first resurrection" of Christ and that "remnant of the dead" (the Matt. 27:52-53 resurrected saints) which lived again when the millennium had "expired", and was "finished" and "fulfilled". Revelation 20:3 says that Satan was released at that point for just "a little time".
This "little time" of Satan's release at the end of the millennium was the same as the "short time" that John wrote about in Revelation 12:12. In this verse, John was warning the believers in his own days that this "short time" of Satan's release to harass mankind in "great wrath" had already been launched upon the inhabitants of the world back then. This means the millennium of Revelation 20 had already ended BEFORE John was writing Revelation.
This Rev. 20 millennium was composed of a literal thousand years of a God-sanctioned physical temple worship system begun by Solomon's foundation stone being laid down in 968 / 967 BC. That physical temple became outdated in AD 33 when Christ was resurrected and became the "chief cornerstone" and the "head of the corner" of the new spiritual temple not made with hands. God used the fame of Solomon's reign followed by the increased ministry of the prophets to bind Satan's deception of the nations during that millennium.
The Rev. 20 millennium is long past and done with.
This "little time" of Satan's release at the end of the millennium was the same as the "short time" that John wrote about in Revelation 12:12. In this verse, John was warning the believers in his own days that this "short time" of Satan's release to harass mankind in "great wrath" had already been launched upon the inhabitants of the world back then. This means the millennium of Revelation 20 had already ended BEFORE John was writing Revelation.
This Rev. 20 millennium was composed of a literal thousand years of a God-sanctioned physical temple worship system begun by Solomon's foundation stone being laid down in 968 / 967 BC. That physical temple became outdated in AD 33 when Christ was resurrected and became the "chief cornerstone" and the "head of the corner" of the new spiritual temple not made with hands. God used the fame of Solomon's reign followed by the increased ministry of the prophets to bind Satan's deception of the nations during that millennium.
The Rev. 20 millennium is long past and done with.
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