THE LORD'S PRAYER: JESUS DIDN'T PRAY IT, SHOULD WE?

[Doug]

The Our Father appears in versus where Christ is saying not to say the same words over and over. What this is, is a template for prayers.

Right
Jesus didnt say pray this prayer word for word, just a pattern

 

[LoveYeshua]

wanna hear something so lovely .
I have zero problem with the way paul wrote . IT sure has helped me , AS HAS EVERY THING JESUS ever spoke
that was recorded in the gospels and in revleation . As well as EVERY word the writer of hebrews wrote
as james , as pe ter , as jude , as john .
ITS MEN that cloud things and only those who love to hear twisted things will sit under such men .
WHY COME
or in proper english
HOW COME i seem to love and beleive ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THAT BIBLE
now that is a question i have for every man , woman and child .
NOW WHY IS THAT .
How come i dont sit under pauline
How come i dont try and pit apostel against apostel
HOW COME i dont t ry and say OH certain things JESUS said apply ONLY TO JEWS
or was for another time , BUT RATHER BELEIVE THEM ALL and KNOW THEY ARE MEAT FOR MY SOUL
as was everything they all would write .
Allow me to introduce us to THE GRACE OF GOD and that grace DONT TRY AND OMIT ONE SINGLE WORD OF TRUTH .
and here you all might have thought i was gonna try and give me some kind of credit .
NO SIR . GOD DID THIS . what you are witnessing is the CHANGE GOD PUT UPON MY HEART .
I SHUN THE ALL INCLUSIVE INTERFAITH DOCTRINE TO HADES . and do feel free to ask my why that is as well .
WHY does a man who wont bend , wont omit , wont try and alter one word GOD INSPIRED in that bible
SO DARN ADAMANENT against the love so many are now in love and in bed with .
CAUSE IT BE OF SATAN and HIS WHORE
and it does naught but lead the decieved to the day of their own destruction . I will have no part with its unity
its kingdom , its love or its hope , i shall not trust in its god either , its presidents of either side for both do its will .
Many love to hear twisted things that suit their own hearts desires .
SHEEP , WELL THEY LOVE TRUTH . EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH

Peter appointed by GOD to preach to the gentiles did have a problem with it also

 

[LoveYeshua]

[Gal 4:4 KJV] 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

Jesus was under law in his ministry, the Mosaic law

i knew you what say that, what did he teach? the mosaic law or the Ten Commandments?

 

[Doug]

i knew you what say that, what did he teach? the mosaic law or the Ten Commandments?

The 10 commandments were part of the mosaic law and the covenant started in Exodus 19:5 The ten were given in Exodus 20 and the law was expanded in Exodus 21

 

[LoveYeshua]

The 10 commandments were part of the mosaic law and the covenant started in Exodus 19:5 The ten were given in Exodus 20 and the law was expanded in Exodus 21

who gave the ten commandments? and do you have to follow them today?

 

[Doug]

who gave the ten commandments? and do you have to follow them today?

Paul restates all ten commandments except the sabbath
We dont have to follow them to have eternal life
We are justified by the redemption of Christ

 

[LoveYeshua]

Paul restates all ten commandments
We dont have to follow them to have eternal life
We are justified by the redemption of Christ

you did not answer the question truthfully, It is GOD who wrote the ten commandments and called them the covenant, Not Moses, Not paul

yes Paul did reinstate some of the commandments meaning to me also all ten of them.

Now here is the problem, Jesus is adamant you have to follow the ten commandments to enter into eternal life. From the beginning, God made it clear that life is found in obedience to His commandments. In the Old Testament, He spoke through Moses saying, “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16). God was showing that the way to life is not through empty words or rituals, but through love expressed in obedience. Proverbs repeats this truth simply: “Keep My commandments and live” (Proverbs 7:2). And Solomon summed up the purpose of life in the book of Ecclesiastes when he said, “Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all” (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

When Jesus came, He did not change this teaching but confirmed it with greater clarity. A man once asked Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” and Jesus replied, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:16–17). These are the words of the Savior Himself. He did not say faith alone or words alone, but obedience that comes from love. Jesus explained this again in John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments,” and in John 15:10 He added, “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” The love of God and the keeping of His commandments cannot be separated; one proves the other.

Jesus also warned that not everyone who calls Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only “he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). It is not the name alone, but the doing of God’s will that leads to life. This same truth appears again in the final book of the Bible: “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city” (Revelation 22:14). From beginning to end, the Word of God agrees that eternal life is promised to those who love Him and keep His commandments.

The path to eternal life is not hidden or complicated. It is the way of love, faith, and obedience. To believe in Christ is to follow Him. To love Him is to do what He said. And to keep His commandments is to walk in the life that He promised, for through Love for God and Christ, we obey His commandments and we remain in His love, and through His love, we receive the gift of eternal life. Obedience is the proof we live Him. read James who had a lot to say about this.

Blessings

 

[Doug]

yes Paul did reinstate some of the commandments meaning to me also all ten of them.

I misspoke......Paul did not reinstate the sabbath We dont have to keep the sabbath

 

[LoveYeshua]

I misspoke......Paul did not reinstate the sabbath We dont have to keep the sabbath

Did paul follow the sabath?

 

[Doug]

you did not answer the question truthfully, It is GOD who wrote the ten commandments and called them the covenant, Not Moses, Not paul

yes Paul did reinstate some of the commandments meaning to me also all ten of them.

Now here is the problem, Jesus is adamant you have to follow the ten commandments to enter into eternal life. From the beginning, God made it clear that life is found in obedience to His commandments. In the Old Testament, He spoke through Moses saying, “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live” (Deuteronomy 30:15–16). God was showing that the way to life is not through empty words or rituals, but through love expressed in obedience. Proverbs repeats this truth simply: “Keep My commandments and live” (Proverbs 7:2). And Solomon summed up the purpose of life in the book of Ecclesiastes when he said, “Fear God and keep His commandments, for this is man’s all” (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

When Jesus came, He did not change this teaching but confirmed it with greater clarity. A man once asked Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” and Jesus replied, “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:16–17). These are the words of the Savior Himself. He did not say faith alone or words alone, but obedience that comes from love. Jesus explained this again in John 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments,” and in John 15:10 He added, “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” The love of God and the keeping of His commandments cannot be separated; one proves the other.

Jesus also warned that not everyone who calls Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only “he who does the will of My Father in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). It is not the name alone, but the doing of God’s will that leads to life. This same truth appears again in the final book of the Bible: “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter through the gates into the city” (Revelation 22:14). From beginning to end, the Word of God agrees that eternal life is promised to those who love Him and keep His commandments.

The path to eternal life is not hidden or complicated. It is the way of love, faith, and obedience. To believe in Christ is to follow Him. To love Him is to do what He said. And to keep His commandments is to walk in the life that He promised, for through Love for God and Christ, we obey His commandments and we remain in His love, and through His love, we receive the gift of eternal life. Obedience is the proof we live Him. read James who had a lot to say about this.

Blessings

You, me, no one can keep the commandments to obtain eternal life
Jesus took the commandments further than outward obedience when he said you can commit adultery in your heart
Also I think bearing false witness includes lying.....all have lied so all are guilty

 

[Doug]

Did paul follow the sabath?

Show me where he did please

 

[LoveYeshua]

You, me, no one can keep the commandments to obtain eternal life
Jesus took the commandments further than outward obedience when he said you can commit adultery in your heart
Also I think bearing false witness includes lying.....all have lied so all are guilty

yes all are guilty but shroud all of us always remain guilty and continue to sin and not repent? Jesus asked all to repent! Repentance was an integral part of his message. if we put all our faith in Jesus and love him he will transform the believer, it is not an immediate transformation but requires time and ""fire"" Yes Jesus will and does test us. Follow Him and see.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Show me where he did please

Paul continued to honor the Sabbath just as Jesus and the other apostles did. Even after the resurrection, he gathered with believers on the seventh day to teach, pray, and share the Word of God. The book of Acts records this clearly in several places:

Acts 13:14 (NKJV)
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 13:42–44 (NKJV)
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 (NKJV)
And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Acts 17:2 (NKJV)
Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

Acts 18:4 (NKJV)
And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

These verses show that the Sabbath remained part of Paul’s life and ministry. He kept the same holy day that Jesus kept, using it to gather with both Jews and Gentiles to teach about the Kingdom of God. His example proves that the Sabbath was not set aside, but continued to be honored by the early followers of Christ as a time of worship and truth.

Blessings

 

[Grailhunter]

The 10 commandments were part of the mosaic law and the covenant started in Exodus 19:5 The ten were given in Exodus 20 and the law was expanded in Exodus 21

Just so you know.....
Will the real set of Ten Commandments, please stand up!

Exodus chapter 20 The Ethical Decalogue
The event: The Hebrews / Israelites, are at Mt Sinai, God speaks from the mountain to the nation of Israel. After the first ten Laws the people freaked. Then after they calm down and step back a distance and God continues with four more Laws, and then continues on with some ordinances. So during this event there are fourteen Laws, not ten. From there the confusion starts. This event had more than one purpose and we will get to that later, but note God’s primary concern during this event, which was that the Israelites would break through to get to Him, this concern pretty much dominates the preceding chapter …19. Another thing to consider, is at no point does God call these Commandments, the Laws called Commandments by God are in chapter 34. The ten items in chapter 20 are summaries of Laws that are fully explained later in the body of the Mosaic Laws. Believing that these are the Ten Commandments is one the most misunderstood scriptures.

Exodus 20:3-17 Deuteronomy 5:7-21
1. “You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

5. “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.

6. “You shall not murder.

7. “You shall not commit adultery.

8. “You shall not steal.

9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Then four more

11. You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

12. You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.

13. And if you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your chisel on it, you will profane it.

14. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.’

This summary of ethical codes are also listed in Deuteronomy 5:7-21. But neither are directly referenced as the Ten Commandments. After speaking the first 14 Laws, God continues to speak and goes into other sections of the Laws, Laws concerning slaves, (which included concubinage) Laws concerning personal injury, Laws concerning theft, Laws concerning property—physical and living, Laws concerning morality, Laws concerning civil and religious obligations, and Laws concerning conquests and wars. Moses than spoke these Laws to the people and then he wrote them down. He refers to this as the book of the covenant.

Now everyone knows, the first set of tablets did not end well. In the first instance, God made the tablets and wrote the Laws on them. That did not occur with the second trip that Moses made to Mt Sinai.

In Exodus 34:11-28, here are the only Laws that God calls the Ten Commandments and He refers to the tablets as the Two Tablets of the Testimony. So in verse 34:11 God says, “Be sure to observe what I am commanding you this day: behold, I am going to drive out the Amorite before you, and the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. Then He goes on to state the Ten Commandments.

1. Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst. But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim.

2. for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice, and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods.

3. You shall make for yourself no molten gods.

4. You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.

5. The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep. You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. None shall appear before Me empty-handed.

6. You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.

7. You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

8. Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.

9. You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread, nor is the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover to be left over until morning.

10. You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Then in verse 27 God said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. So these are the Laws that God Himself calls the Ten Commandments.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Just so you know.....
Will the real set of Ten Commandments, please stand up!

Exodus chapter 20 The Ethical Decalogue
The event: The Hebrews / Israelites, are at Mt Sinai, God speaks from the mountain to the nation of Israel. After the first ten Laws the people freaked. Then after they calm down and step back a distance and God continues with four more Laws, and then continues on with some ordinances. So during this event there are fourteen Laws, not ten. From there the confusion starts. This event had more than one purpose and we will get to that later, but note God’s primary concern during this event, which was that the Israelites would break through to get to Him, this concern pretty much dominates the preceding chapter …19. Another thing to consider, is at no point does God call these Commandments, the Laws called Commandments by God are in chapter 34. The ten items in chapter 20 are summaries of Laws that are fully explained later in the body of the Mosaic Laws. Believing that these are the Ten Commandments is one the most misunderstood scriptures.

Exodus 20:3-17 The first ten ethical codes spoken by God. Deuteronomy 5:7-21
1. “You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

5. “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.

6. “You shall not murder.

7. “You shall not commit adultery.

8. “You shall not steal.

9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Then four more

11. You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

12. You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.

13. And if you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your chisel on it, you will profane it.

14. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.’

This summary of ethical codes are also listed in Deuteronomy 5:7-21. But neither are directly referenced as the Ten Commandments. After speaking the first 14 Laws, God continues to speak and goes into other sections of the Laws, Laws concerning slaves, (which included concubinage) Laws concerning personal injury, Laws concerning theft, Laws concerning property—physical and living, Laws concerning morality, Laws concerning civil and religious obligations, and Laws concerning conquests and wars. Moses than spoke these Laws to the people and then he wrote them down. He refers to this as the book of the covenant.

Now everyone knows, the first set of tablets did not end well. In the first instance, God made the tablets and wrote the Laws on them. That did not occur with the second trip that Moses made to Mt Sinai.

In Exodus 34:11-28, here are the only Laws that God calls the Ten Commandments and He refers to the tablets as the Two Tablets of the Testimony. So in verse 34:11 God says, “Be sure to observe what I am commanding you this day: behold, I am going to drive out the Amorite before you, and the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. Then He goes on to state the Ten Commandments.

1. Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst. But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim.

2. for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice, and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods.

3. You shall make for yourself no molten gods.

4. You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.

5. The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep. You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. None shall appear before Me empty-handed.

6. You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.

7. You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

8. Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.

9. You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread, nor is the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover to be left over until morning.

10. You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Then in verse 27 God said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. So these are the Laws that God Himself calls the Ten Commandments.

Now that is a good way to confuse someone further

 

[Grailhunter]

Now that is a good way to confuse someone further

Correcting the confusion. And these are Jewish laws not Christian laws. Christians do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and we worship Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. We are not concerned about engraved images and women are no longer property so they are not listed along with our belongings.

 

[Triumph1300]

Christians do not observe the Jewish Saturday

Seventh Day Adventists observe the Saturday as a day for worship.
They observe the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, based on biblical references like the creation story in Genesis and the fourth commandment.

 

[Muna]

Correcting the confusion. And these are Jewish laws not Christian laws. Christians do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and we worship Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. We are not concerned about engraved images and women are no longer property so they are not listed along with our belongings.

I think these were Gentiles that Paul went to speak to who had all of these idols everywhere

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

I dont know too many people today that worship graven images either though

 

[amigo de christo]

Peter appointed by GOD to preach to the gentiles did have a problem with it also

No . he actually talked good about paul and his wisdom .
A few things being hard to be understood by who , the unlearned and unstable . aka double minded .
Now to the trenches one and all .

 

[Grailhunter]

I think these were Gentiles that Paul went to speak to who had all of these idols everywhere

Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

I dont know too many people today that worship graven images either though

The Jews were not to make any engraving or engraved image whether they worshipped them or not.