The Bible - Fiction, or non-fiction?

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St. SteVen

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hat makes zero sense. The playground bully is on equal foot in the same playground the other he is bullying is on. God however, gives the both of them the breath in their bodies. It's His gift that either of them are even alive and breathing (at all).
Your logic fails.
Does a parent have the right to murder their own children?
The parent gave those children life, correct?

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Your logic fails.
Does a parent have the right to murder their own children?
The parent gave those children life, correct?

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We all have earthly parents through whom we have come into the world (as we were designed by Him to do) but they too are just as equally on the same footing as anyone who might not be a parent.

Parents lives are just as borrowed as anyone who might not be one would be. God borrows his life from no one.
 

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Does a parent have the right to murder their own children?

The Holiness of God does not accept sin.
You dont seem to comprehend this, @St. SteVen .
So, God offers an eternal pardon, that removes God's judgment against a person's sin.
If they take the FREE pardon who Is Jesus dying for their sin, then God removes the eternal judgment due their sin.
You must take the pardon......."by Faith".....before you die, or you enter eternity and face God as eternal Judge, (having died in your sins, unforgiven).... when you could have gone to Him with God having already become your loving Heavenly Father, because you were forgiven.
 

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What does Noah's flood teach us about the character of God?
Does the account present us with fact or fiction?
Was global genocide necessary to cover God's mistake?
How would we characterize a human who did such a thing?
Do we whitewash what God did simply because He is God?

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If God does not do that, then the end result is that he can only re-create new human beings, because the combination of heaven and earth is strange, Is destructive, it is more destructive than you and I can imagine. The world war wiped out many lives. Like the world today, humans can destroy the world with nuclear weapons, The era was even more devastating.
 

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What does Noah's flood teach us about the character of God?
It teaches us: Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I'm so glad you said "I love the Bible"!
Does the account present us with fact or fiction?
Jesus said it's FACT!

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Was global genocide necessary to cover God's mistake?
How would we characterize a human who did such a thing?
Do we whitewash what God did simply because He is God?
I think God's gonna remember all of your comments on Judgment Day.
 
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If God does not do that, then the end result is that he can only re-create new human beings, because the combination of heaven and earth is strange, Is destructive, it is more destructive than you and I can imagine. The world war wiped out many lives. Like the world today, humans can destroy the world with nuclear weapons, The era was even more devastating.
What does this say about the character of God?

John 10:10 NIV
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy;
I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

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What does this say about the character of God?

John 10:10 NIV
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy;
I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Stv said, "I love the Bible". Enjoy stv:

2 Kings 17:25 They didn't fear the Lord so He sent lions to kill them.
 

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What does Noah's flood teach us about the character of God?
It clearly teaches us the you need WISDOM! You haven't begun yet.

Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
 

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The Bible - Fiction, or non-fiction?​

Fiction according to stevie!
 

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The law had not been given.

IN the Garden of Eden, there was no Moses Law .....but there was God's word that said....>>"Dont eat of that Tree".
So, when Adam defied this word, and rebelled against it.. it became iniquiity unto Him.
This caused him to lose spiritual union with God, that is defined by the scriptures as "death".


To what standard was humankind held?

The flood is not about a broken "standard".
The flood is based on humankind becoming so evil and so immorally VILE.... that they were beyond any conscience about it to the point that their depraved minds and hearts were not redeemable.
They could not turned from their sin.

This is the same situation with the Sex Perverts that God burned in Gen 19.

"too far gone, no way back".

And this happens also to anyone who keeps hearing God's call to come to Christ and they keep resisting the Holy Spirit.
Everytime they do that, they get more hardened in their conscience, and one day their conscience becomes "SEARED" and can no longer feel the tug or the Drawing of the Holy Spirit and that means they will go to Hell and it can't be prevented any longer.
They crossed an invisible line and there is no way back.

Sin is not charged to anyone’s account where there is no law.

Iniquity was charged to Adam and Eve.

Sin is not charged to a born again Christian.

Romans 4:8

2 Corin 5:19
 

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The flood is not about a broken "standard".
The flood is based on humankind becoming so evil and so immorally VILE.... that they were beyond any conscience about it to the point that their depraved minds and hearts were not redeemable.
They could not turned from their sin.
Sin is not charged to anyone’s account where there is no law.

Was there a better solution than global genocide?

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St. SteVen said:
What does Noah's flood teach us about the character of God?

The law had not been given.
To what standard was humankind held?
Sin is not charged to anyone’s account where there is no law.
But YOU are without excuse for attacking God of the Bible!
 

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St. SteVen said:
What does Noah's flood teach us about the character of God?

The law had not been given.
To what standard was humankind held?
Sin is not charged to anyone’s account where there is no law.

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You might as well say that the very first sin in the Garden of Eden was not charged because the law had yet to be given. But a law had been given. God had told Adam and Eve that they were free to eat the fruit of every tree in the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed.
 
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Sin is not charged to anyone’s account where there is no law.

Sin is charged to every unbeliever right now., and if you are not forgiven all your sin before you die then you will "die in your Sins" Jesus said.
This is why the verse says....>>>"All have sinned, there is none rightesous, no not one".

This is why "Jesus came into the world to Save sinners".

Was there a better solution than global genocide?

Had there been another solution then it would have happened.
So, the depraved evil that became humanity, was so depraved and evil....that had it been allow to remain, it would have tried to corrupt Noah and His family with their evil.
So, it had to be ended.
Its the same with the Sexual Perverts in Gen 19 who were burned into ash.
Perhaps you didnt know this, but Gays dont reproduce, they only recruit.
And sin in this world is going to be ended again, at the 2nd Advent, when Jesus comes back "in flaming Fire taking Vengeance upon all who do not obey the Gospel".
And that Gospel is not the one that Satan created for you to teach @St. SteVen
 

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You might as well say that the very first sin in the Garden of Eden was not charged because the law had yet to be given.
I agree.
I actually believe that God's law of human conscience came from eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
My post above that you were responding to was written according to the beliefs of the one I was replying to. (not mine)
And as of now, no response has been given by that person. (for whatever reason)

God's law of human conscience is what I refer to as God's law, the law that preceded the law given to the Israelites alone through Moses.
I outline the four types of law in this topic linked below.


1 Corinthians 9:19-22 NIV
Though I am free and belong to no one,
I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible.
20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews.
To those under the law I became like one under the law
(though I myself am not under the law),
so as to win those under the law.
21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law
(though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law),
so as to win those not having the law.
22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak.
I have become all things to all people so that
by all possible means I might save some.

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