THE LORD'S PRAYER: JESUS DIDN'T PRAY IT, SHOULD WE?

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Correcting the confusion. And these are Jewish laws not Christian laws. Christians do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and we worship Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit. We are not concerned about engraved images and women are no longer property so they are not listed along with our belongings.
Everyone knows the Ten Commandments are followed by christians as well. if you would worship like you say Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit you would Follow the commandments as well. God said we MUST, jesus said we Must follow the ten commandments if we Love Him!

The sabbath, the fourth commandment, is a special one it is a test to see if you truly obey God or not it has a special meaning and is one commandments that contains a blessing from GOD. do not miss out onthat one.

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As a recitable prayer, the Lord's Prayer is a good prayer in my estimation if you take time to study it and understand all the meaning. In trying to get my prayer life improving, I have to consider written prayers of my own making. I have trouble remembering and my mind wanders off track. So, is written and read back OK. What about a prayer in a book that really reflects what you're thinking?
Just speak to God from your own heart, this is what he wants really and nothing else. Jesus gave us an "example" with the lord's prayer but use your own words, you can study the structure of the lord's prayer and use the same structure but add your own words when you pray, he hears you but be aware God does not like vain repetitions. it is OK to let your mind go off track when you pray to God, He knows everything about you anyways and any prayers that you have written on a piece of paper He knows them all. it is written he know how many hairs we have on our heads.
 
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No . he actually talked good about paul and his wisdom .
A few things being hard to be understood by who , the unlearned and unstable . aka double minded .
Now to the trenches one and all .
Paul was an student of Gamaliel, a pharisee part of the sanhedrin, well respected in his time. Paul was trained in Rabbinic Argumentation, Greek Rhetoric and Roman Oratory, often used a style called diatribe among st other methods he used. but did he convey the words and teachings of Jesus in a clear way?

Here are the biblical texts about what peter said;

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord issalvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these thingsbefore, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

in bold is the problem many use only Paul's words and have really forgotten or remember vaguely the words of our lord Jesus. Paul's writings are complex and must be taken as a whole and SEEN with the lens of Christ's words. When this is done we can certainly reconcile Paul's writings with the words of Jesus.

Unfortunately many use single verses from Paul to make a point for example that we do not have to follow the commandments.. This is what Peter was saying here that "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

One must truly know scripture well to comprehend what Paul was saying. Unfortunately many are confused because of Paul's writings and I fight hard to correct this and bring people back to the words of Christ.
 

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Paul continued to honor the Sabbath just as Jesus and the other apostles did. Even after the resurrection, he gathered with believers on the seventh day to teach, pray, and share the Word of God. The book of Acts records this clearly in several places:

Acts 13:14 (NKJV)
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 13:42–44 (NKJV)
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 (NKJV)
And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Acts 17:2 (NKJV)
Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

Acts 18:4 (NKJV)
And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

These verses show that the Sabbath remained part of Paul’s life and ministry. He kept the same holy day that Jesus kept, using it to gather with both Jews and Gentiles to teach about the Kingdom of God. His example proves that the Sabbath was not set aside, but continued to be honored by the early followers of Christ as a time of worship and truth.

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Hey, welcome to the Mod Squad! So happy you took this position and I am enjoying your posts.

About the Sabbath, how does a gentile Christian keep a Sabbath? Just within their homes on Saturdays? Prepare all food the day before, praise, worship rest and scripture reading throughout your Saturday but...no gathering of the brethren? As, the only denomination I know of who meet on Saturdays are SDA's. Gather throughout the week (I would LOVE that)
What does a Sabbath day actually look like in your life, if I may ask brother?

Thank you!
In Christ,
Nancy
 
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Everyone knows the Ten Commandments are followed by christians as well. if you would worship like you say Yahweh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit you would Follow the commandments as well. God said we MUST, jesus said we Must follow the ten commandments if we Love Him!

The sabbath, the fourth commandment, is a special one it is a test to see if you truly obey God or not it has a special meaning and is one commandments that contains a blessing from GOD. do not miss out onthat one.

@Doug

Blessings

Wrong. LOL
 

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yes all are guilty but shroud all of us always remain guilty and continue to sin and not repent? Jesus asked all to repent! Repentance was an integral part of his message. if we put all our faith in Jesus and love him he will transform the believer, it is not an immediate transformation but requires time and ""fire"" Yes Jesus will and does test us. Follow Him and see.
Repentance is another matter. It doesnt change being forgiven. Yes we should repent for sin and stop doing whatever it is by obeying doctrine
 
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Paul continued to honor the Sabbath just as Jesus and the other apostles did. Even after the resurrection, he gathered with believers on the seventh day to teach, pray, and share the Word of God. The book of Acts records this clearly in several places:

Acts 13:14 (NKJV)
But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down.

Acts 13:42–44 (NKJV)
So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Now when the congregation had broken up, many of the Jews and devout proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 (NKJV)
And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Acts 17:2 (NKJV)
Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.

Acts 18:4 (NKJV)

And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

These verses show that the Sabbath remained part of Paul’s life and ministry. He kept the same holy day that Jesus kept, using it to gather with both Jews and Gentiles to teach about the Kingdom of God. His example proves that the Sabbath was not set aside, but continued to be honored by the early followers of Christ as a time of worship and truth.

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Paul went into the synagogue on the sabbath to witness to them.
Paul doesnt command us to keep the sabbath as does the commandments of the covenant, but it is left to the individual......................................[Rom 14:5 KJV] 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
 

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Seventh Day Adventists observe the Saturday as a day for worship.
They observe the Sabbath from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset, based on biblical references like the creation story in Genesis and the fourth commandment.

Some people like to play Jew. LOL Do they sell their daughters to be sex slaves…. concubines or practice polygamy or execute women that were raped. These are also Jewish Laws and tell of the nature and character of the Jews. There is nothing about playing Jew that makes you a better Christian.

Now if we can get Christians to go to church on Sunday.
 

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Hey, welcome to the Mod Squad! So happy you took this position and I am enjoying your posts.

About the Sabbath, how does a gentile Christian keep a Sabbath? Just within their homes on Saturdays? Prepare all food the day before, praise, worship rest and scripture reading throughout your Saturday but...no gathering of the brethren? As, the only denomination I know of who meet on Saturdays are SDA's. Gather throughout the week (I would LOVE that)
What does a Sabbath day actually look like in your life, if I may ask brother?

Thank you!
In Christ,
Nancy


thank you sister for the kind words.

About the Sabbath, I found the answer in Isaiah a while ago it explain the foundation of the sabbath;

Isaiah 58:13–14
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

The Sabbath isn’t meant to be a burden or a rule to fear, but a holy time set apart for God, a day to stop our own business and pleasures, to rest in Him, speak of Him, and take joy in His presence. When we keep it this way, God promises both peace and blessing. I prepare a bit in advance as not to have common chores at the house I do not follow strictly the times of the sabbath by watching my watch for example. If someone calls and needs help I wil go out and do so, but mostly I thank God, read the bible, keep quiet and reflect on his words, normally it is then that I get ideas for new threads for this forum. As for food I keep it simple most times I have prepared meals to last for the sabbath day.

I do not follow like the pharisees who added all sorts of rules;

You could not carry any object heavier than a dried fig outside your house.
You could not walk more than about 2,000 cubits (roughly two-thirds of a mile) from your home — this became known as a Sabbath day’s journey.
You could not tie or untie a knot, sew more than one stitch, or write more than one letter.
If a lamp went out, you couldn’t relight it, even for light in the house.
You couldn’t heal someone unless their life was in immediate danger — applying ointment or setting a bone was seen as “work.”
You couldn’t drag a chair across the floor if it might make a small furrow in the dirt (that was seen as plowing).
You couldn’t look into a mirror, in case you might pull out a gray hair — that would be considered grooming or labor.
You couldn’t pick up a stone or a stick, because that might lead to building or throwing, both considered work.
If a chicken laid an egg on the Sabbath, it couldn’t be eaten, because the hen’s “work” of laying was counted against the law.........

They did not understand the core of the law is LOVE.

As for gatherings I have no one in my entourage who shares by beliefs, Most are catholic and do not follow the faith anymore, it all went bad with the bad behaviour and abuse at many level of the church in the province of Quebec. When we could have bibles translated in french and not in Latin that few understood, people who read the bible woke up and rejected the catholic faith, the churches are empty here nowadays.
all that remains are the empty churches some are really beautiful.

Basilique Notre-Dame de Montréal.

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Just so you know.....
Will the real set of Ten Commandments, please stand up!

Exodus chapter 20 The Ethical Decalogue
The event: The Hebrews / Israelites, are at Mt Sinai, God speaks from the mountain to the nation of Israel. After the first ten Laws the people freaked. Then after they calm down and step back a distance and God continues with four more Laws, and then continues on with some ordinances. So during this event there are fourteen Laws, not ten. From there the confusion starts. This event had more than one purpose and we will get to that later, but note God’s primary concern during this event, which was that the Israelites would break through to get to Him, this concern pretty much dominates the preceding chapter …19. Another thing to consider, is at no point does God call these Commandments, the Laws called Commandments by God are in chapter 34. The ten items in chapter 20 are summaries of Laws that are fully explained later in the body of the Mosaic Laws. Believing that these are the Ten Commandments is one the most misunderstood scriptures.

Exodus 20:3-17 Deuteronomy 5:7-21
1. “You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing loving kindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

5. “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the Lord your God gives you.

6. “You shall not murder.

7. “You shall not commit adultery.

8. “You shall not steal.

9. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

Then four more

11. You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

12. You shall make an altar of earth for Me, and you shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen; in every place where I cause My name to be remembered, I will come to you and bless you.

13. And if you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your chisel on it, you will profane it.

14. And you shall not go up by steps to My altar, so that your nakedness will not be exposed on it.’

This summary of ethical codes are also listed in Deuteronomy 5:7-21. But neither are directly referenced as the Ten Commandments. After speaking the first 14 Laws, God continues to speak and goes into other sections of the Laws, Laws concerning slaves, (which included concubinage) Laws concerning personal injury, Laws concerning theft, Laws concerning property—physical and living, Laws concerning morality, Laws concerning civil and religious obligations, and Laws concerning conquests and wars. Moses than spoke these Laws to the people and then he wrote them down. He refers to this as the book of the covenant.

Now everyone knows, the first set of tablets did not end well. In the first instance, God made the tablets and wrote the Laws on them. That did not occur with the second trip that Moses made to Mt Sinai.

In Exodus 34:11-28, here are the only Laws that God calls the Ten Commandments and He refers to the tablets as the Two Tablets of the Testimony. So in verse 34:11 God says, “Be sure to observe what I am commanding you this day: behold, I am going to drive out the Amorite before you, and the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite. Then He goes on to state the Ten Commandments.

1. Watch yourself that you make no covenant with the inhabitants of the land into which you are going, or it will become a snare in your midst. But rather, you are to tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and cut down their Asherim.

2. for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God—otherwise you might make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land and they would play the harlot with their gods and sacrifice to their gods, and someone might invite you to eat of his sacrifice, and you might take some of his daughters for your sons, and his daughters might play the harlot with their gods and cause your sons also to play the harlot with their gods.

3. You shall make for yourself no molten gods.

4. You shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread. For seven days you are to eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the appointed time in the month of Abib, for in the month of Abib you came out of Egypt.

5. The first offspring from every womb belongs to Me, and all your male livestock, the first offspring from cattle and sheep. You shall redeem with a lamb the first offspring from a donkey; and if you do not redeem it, then you shall break its neck. You shall redeem all the firstborn of your sons. None shall appear before Me empty-handed.

6. You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest.

7. You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year.

8. Three times a year all your males are to appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel. For I will drive out nations before you and enlarge your borders, and no man shall covet your land when you go up three times a year to appear before the Lord your God.

9. You shall not offer the blood of My sacrifice with leavened bread, nor is the sacrifice of the Feast of the Passover to be left over until morning.

10. You shall bring the very first of the first fruits of your soil into the house of the Lord your God. You shall not boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.”

Then in verse 27 God said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So he (Moses) was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did not eat bread or drink water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments. So these are the Laws that God Himself calls the Ten Commandments.
Yes the ten commandments are part of all the words given to the children of Israel...............[Exo 34:28 KJV] 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
 

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Yes the ten commandments are part of all the words given to the children of Israel...............[Exo 34:28 KJV] 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

given to the children of Israel..
 

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Paul went into the synagogue on the sabbath to witness to them.
Paul doesnt command us to keep the sabbath as does the commandments of the covenant, but it is left to the individual......................................[Rom 14:5 KJV] 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
It is your choice to deny scripture that shows clearly that Paul, a Jew followed the sabbath. Like many you misinterpret Paul's verses, the Jews followed many different sabbaths, these are the ones Paul was talking about that gentiles not being Jews did not have to follow some of these traditions. same with the "mosaic" laws such as the sacrificial laws but Paul did speak of the ten commandments, the sabbath is an integral part of the ten commandments and are Perpetual , eternal Covenant between man and GOD. GOD does Not change and No One has the authority to change God's words. all paul said is in accord the the rest of the bible but not many have studied it fully.

You Doug have to choose to be part of this covenant with GOD. Both have to agree. God Agrees, what about you? if you agree, Put these Ten Commandments in your heart and Mind and Follow them It is the will of God that you do so.
 

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You Doug have to choose to be part of this covenant with GOD.

Better to be part of New Covenant with God.
Cannot be in the Old and New Covenant. Looking to the Old Covenant for morals and or spirit can get you in hot water. Like the Apostle Paul said when the Jewish-Christians said you had to be circumcised to be a Christian….. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4
 

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Better to be part of New Covenant with God.
Cannot be in the Old and New Covenant. Looking to the Old Covenant for morals and or spirit can get you in hot water. Like the Apostle Paul said when the Jewish-Christians said you had to be circumcised to be a Christian….. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:4
what is the new covenant as defined by God can you show me? what is the difference between the new and the Old covenant do you know?, scripture is Clear about it. I can point to it if you want to.

Circumcision is not part of the ten commandments, of that perticulat covenant, God made different covenants;
Genesis 17:10–11 (NKJV):
"This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you."

Circumcision was directly tied to the covenant God made with Abraham. Later, in the New Testament, the apostles clarified that Gentiles were not required to be circumcised to belong to God’s people.
 

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But Israel had already been chosen as the people of God.
I dont get what you are saying
Not all Israel believed
Only the believing remnant will inherit the Davidic kingdom on earth
 

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Yes the ten commandments are part of all the words given to the children of Israel...............[Exo 34:28 KJV] 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Doug, I jave shown you in the past that gentiles could and would be grafted to Israel, it means the Covenant, ,the ten commandments are not only for Jews but for gentiles as well.

Remember Isaiah, Here is a clear collection of the verses in Isaiah that show the Messiah being sent to the Gentiles:

Isaiah speaks about the Messiah not just coming for Israel, but also to bring light, salvation, and justice to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:6 says that God called Him to bring justice and be a light to the nations: "I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles." Then in Isaiah 49:6, God says it’s too small a thing for the Messiah only to restore Israel, so He will also be a light to the Gentiles and bring salvation to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 52:10 points to the Messiah’s power being revealed to all the nations: "The LORD has made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God." Isaiah 60:3 shows that the Gentiles will be drawn to His light: "The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising." Finally, Isaiah 61:1, which Jesus Himself read in the synagogue, describes His mission: "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD."

All these verses together show clearly that God sent the Messiah for both Israel and the Gentiles, to bring light, salvation, and healing to all people. All that is needed is that you Follow that light.
 

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Read the New Testament for information on the New Covenant.
what is the difference between the new and the Old covenant do you know?,

Salvation only in the New Covenant.
Circumcision is not part of the ten commandments, of that perticulat covenant, God made different covenants;

What you are calling the Ten Commandments are summaries of the Mosaic Law, they are not a separate set of Laws. And one of the greatest sins of the Old Covenant was trying to segregate and follow just sum of the Law. And Jewish Laws do not pertain to Christians.

So you need to choose.....do you want to be a Jew or a Christian.
 
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It is your choice to deny scripture that shows clearly that Paul, a Jew followed the sabbath. Like many you misinterpret Paul's verses, the Jews followed many different sabbaths, these are the ones Paul was talking about that gentiles not being Jews did not have to follow some of these traditions. same with the "mosaic" laws such as the sacrificial laws but Paul did speak of the ten commandments, the sabbath is an integral part of the ten commandments and are Perpetual , eternal Covenant between man and GOD. GOD does Not change and No One has the authority to change God's words. all paul said is in accord the the rest of the bible but not many have studied it fully.

You Doug have to choose to be part of this covenant with GOD. Both have to agree. God Agrees, what about you? if you agree, Put these Ten Commandments in your heart and Mind and Follow them It is the will of God that you do so.
Nowhere does Paul command us to keep the sabbath and nowhere does he say we are under covenant. You are trying to put yourself under the covenant he gave to Israel. The ten commandments are part of the covenant given the children of Israel

[Deu 4:13 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
[Exo 31:16 KJV] 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.
 

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Nowhere does Paul command us to keep the sabbath and nowhere does he say we are under covenant. You are trying to put yourself under the covenant he gave to Israel. The ten commandments are part of the covenant given the children of Israel

[Deu 4:13 KJV] 13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
[Exo 31:16 KJV] 16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, [for] a perpetual covenant.
Do as You want you have free will. I am just telling you what God asks of us and why. I assure you you are in error.
 

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Read the New Testament for information on the New Covenant.


Salvation only in the New Covenant.


What you are calling the Ten Commandments are summaries of the Mosaic Law, they are not a separate set of Laws. And one of the greatest sins of the Old Covenant was try to segregate and follow just sum of the Law. And Jewish Laws do not pertain to Christians.

So you need to choose.....do you want to be a Jew or a Christian.
I choose to follow GOD.
 
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