THE LORD'S PRAYER: JESUS DIDN'T PRAY IT, SHOULD WE?

[Nancy]

thank you sister for the kind words.

About the Sabbath, I found the answer in Isaiah a while ago it explain the foundation of the sabbath;

Isaiah 58:13–14
“If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,
Then you shall delight yourself in the Lord;
And I will cause you to ride on the high hills of the earth,
And feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father.
The mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

The Sabbath isn’t meant to be a burden or a rule to fear, but a holy time set apart for God, a day to stop our own business and pleasures, to rest in Him, speak of Him, and take joy in His presence. When we keep it this way, God promises both peace and blessing. I prepare a bit in advance as not to have common chores at the house I do not follow strictly the times of the sabbath by watching my watch for example. If someone calls and needs help I wil go out and do so, but mostly I thank God, read the bible, keep quiet and reflect on his words, normally it is then that I get ideas for new threads for this forum. As for food I keep it simple most times I have prepared meals to last for the sabbath day.

I do not follow like the pharisees who added all sorts of rules;

You could not carry any object heavier than a dried fig outside your house.
You could not walk more than about 2,000 cubits (roughly two-thirds of a mile) from your home — this became known as a Sabbath day’s journey.
You could not tie or untie a knot, sew more than one stitch, or write more than one letter.
If a lamp went out, you couldn’t relight it, even for light in the house.
You couldn’t heal someone unless their life was in immediate danger — applying ointment or setting a bone was seen as “work.”
You couldn’t drag a chair across the floor if it might make a small furrow in the dirt (that was seen as plowing).
You couldn’t look into a mirror, in case you might pull out a gray hair — that would be considered grooming or labor.
You couldn’t pick up a stone or a stick, because that might lead to building or throwing, both considered work.
If a chicken laid an egg on the Sabbath, it couldn’t be eaten, because the hen’s “work” of laying was counted against the law.........

They did not understand the core of the law is LOVE.

As for gatherings I have no one in my entourage who shares by beliefs, Most are catholic and do not follow the faith anymore, it all went bad with the bad behaviour and abuse at many level of the church in the province of Quebec. When we could have bibles translated in french and not in Latin that few understood, people who read the bible woke up and rejected the catholic faith, the churches are empty here nowadays.
all that remains are the empty churches some are really beautiful.

Basilique Notre-Dame de Montréal.

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Thank you for the information. I just committed myself to volunteer for at least, this Saturday but I told them I would be available on Saturdays But there are many other volunteer opportunities so, I will be praying and thinking on the Saturday sabbath.

In Him always,
Have a good day,
Nancy

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul was an student of Gamaliel, a pharisee part of the sanhedrin, well respected in his time. Paul was trained in Rabbinic Argumentation, Greek Rhetoric and Roman Oratory, often used a style called diatribe among st other methods he used. but did he convey the words and teachings of Jesus in a clear way?

Here are the biblical texts about what peter said;

2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord issalvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these thingsbefore, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

in bold is the problem many use only Paul's words and have really forgotten or remember vaguely the words of our lord Jesus. Paul's writings are complex and must be taken as a whole and SEEN with the lens of Christ's words. When this is done we can certainly reconcile Paul's writings with the words of Jesus.

Unfortunately many use single verses from Paul to make a point for example that we do not have to follow the commandments.. This is what Peter was saying here that "which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

One must truly know scripture well to comprehend what Paul was saying. Unfortunately many are confused because of Paul's writings and I fight hard to correct this and bring people back to the words of Christ.

SO HOW COME I understand .
peter was right . HE said the unlearned and unstable . MEANING THE DOUBLE MINDED.
How come i understand what paul taught
and not only that
But he did not contradict a word of JESUS
or peter , or james , or john , jude or others .
nor did their doctrine contradict his .
AND that every single letter in that bible that they all wrote and left us
IS FOR US and good for us , as every WORD of JESUS IS
As is what is written in torah and the prophets .
WHY COME i dont have one problem with what is written .
Exactly dude . GOD saves and GOD changes the heart and the heart of that man LOVES TRUTH .
YOU all compromised . I bet even you have compromised even a little truth .
NOT THIS SHEEP . I SHUN the all inclusive interfiath doctrine to the pits of the lake of fire , IF I COULD .
Not the people , no i warn them . But the doctrine I HATE with all my being .
Try asking me why that is . OH yeah CAUSE IT TRODS GOD UNDER FOOT for a lie .
IT DO . and it wont save one single soul and will damn EVERY last one of them .
WE SHOULD have HONORED THE ONE WHO SAVED US

NOT TWISETED HIS WORDS and rejected the bible. OH i know , i know , Let me guess
I DONT KNOW hebrew or greek so i need a better bible . HOPE YOU aint bought that one .
THEY duping every last one . I aint buying . WHY cause i dont buy lies and sell truth .
Man this walk sure is far simplier than many have made it out to be .

 

[Muna]

You are taking this the wrong way and out of context. I am not accusing you of breaking Jewish laws because the Jewish laws do not pertain to Christians. Some of the basic morals do but there are some horrendous laws that do not pertain to Christians. Christians do not have idols but have no restrictions on engraved images.

The restrictions on engraved images pertained to those in the Old Testament but as time went on the Jews reinterpreted the law on engraved images. Now a days Jews have televisions and computers and such and have family albums and wedding pictures etc. Then again in their synagogues you will not see pictures and paintings and statues of people or animals.

I do know you are not accusing me of breaking one of the commandments there, how could you? I felt that perhaps you might be assuming those things meant something to me, and so I would be fighting you on them. I might disagree with the whole idols and graven image thing because Paul adressed the Athenians when he saw their city was filled with idolatry and those at Ephesians who could barely constrain themselves from sacrificing to Paul and apollos, the same as with the image of Diana, and then with the craftsmen who made their wealth making images. Even Paul said, "

1John.5​

1. [21] Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

And regardless whether I personally count the TV as not being a graven image, it feeds live streams of images on it, and even though I still would not count those as being what the commandment is speaking of and not an idol in and of itself, it can become a form of idolatry. Someone can love it and spend more time in front of it and with it than with God, so "in that sense" I can believe it, but less so as an object spoken of that way. I was more or less trying to strip away from it the form of an idol in one sense but be agreeable that it con be exactly that in a different way.

And you know, concerning the Jews I thought you were talking about their homes verses their synagogues, I might have missed that. As far as it goes with my own search , it landed me on their homes more specifically. But also added within it the mention of the talmudic tradition. When we have Jesus who spoke to them about the setting aside the commandment of God for the tradition of the elders.

Not sure though how that commandment concerning making a graven image which is followed by thou shall not commit adultery only applies in a synagogue setting. So I probably wouldnt splice it up that way, not sure how one would apply to the person everywhere but the other apply only to the synagogue setting. If you know what I mean.

 

[amigo de christo]

I choose to follow GOD.

How long before i get banned i wonder . i just noticed you got promoted . to staff member .

 

[amigo de christo]

How long before i get banned i wonder .

 

[Doug]

Doug, I jave shown you in the past that gentiles could and would be grafted to Israel, it means the Covenant, ,the ten commandments are not only for Jews but for gentiles as well.

The Gentiles grafted into Israel were the Gentiles in Acts 10 not us..................[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[Act 15:7 KJV] 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

The council determined they didnt have to keep the law.....................[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

 

[Doug]

Isaiah speaks about the Messiah not just coming for Israel, but also to bring light, salvation, and justice to the Gentiles. Isaiah 42:6 says that God called Him to bring justice and be a light to the nations: "I, the LORD, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles." Then in Isaiah 49:6, God says it’s too small a thing for the Messiah only to restore Israel, so He will also be a light to the Gentiles and bring salvation to the ends of the earth. Isaiah 52:10 points to the Messiah’s power being revealed to all the nations: "The LORD has made bare His holy arm In the eyes of all the nations; And all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God." Isaiah 60:3 shows that the Gentiles will be drawn to His light: "The Gentiles shall come to your light, And kings to the brightness of your rising." Finally, Isaiah 61:1, which Jesus Himself read in the synagogue, describes His mission: "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon Me, Because the LORD has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD."

This will all be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom

It was also fulfilled according to Paul..........................[Act 13:47 KJV] 47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

 

[Muna]

How long before i get banned i wonder . i just noticed you got promoted . to staff member .

Hey, I could be wrong, but I dont think mods can always ban or unbann or delete of their own choice, they are still under an Admin, I mean I had to ask Angelina to do what another staff member could not.

If your gonna worry, worry more about evil Admins, because they will get cha everytime, I got "got" by one of those
(thats why I am here) because of an evil Admin All over underlining a certain part of Acts 2:36
But I took one for the Lord though.

 

[LoveYeshua]

SO HOW COME I understand .
peter was right . HE said the unlearned and unstable . MEANING THE DOUBLE MINDED.
How come i understand what paul taught
and not only that
But he did not contradict a word of JESUS
or peter , or james , or john , jude or others .
nor did their doctrine contradict his .
AND that every single letter in that bible that they all wrote and left us
IS FOR US and good for us , as every WORD of JESUS IS
As is what is written in torah and the prophets .
WHY COME i dont have one problem with what is written .
Exactly dude . GOD saves and GOD changes the heart and the heart of that man LOVES TRUTH .
YOU all compromised . I bet even you have compromised even a little truth .
NOT THIS SHEEP . I SHUN the all inclusive interfiath doctrine to the pits of the lake of fire , IF I COULD .
Not the people , no i warn them . But the doctrine I HATE with all my being .
Try asking me why that is . OH yeah CAUSE IT TRODS GOD UNDER FOOT for a lie .
IT DO . and it wont save one single soul and will damn EVERY last one of them .
WE SHOULD have HONORED THE ONE WHO SAVED US

NOT TWISETED HIS WORDS and rejected the bible. OH i know , i know , Let me guess
I DONT KNOW hebrew or greek so i need a better bible . HOPE YOU aint bought that one .
THEY duping every last one . I aint buying . WHY cause i dont buy lies and sell truth .
Man this walk sure is far simplier than many have made it out to be .

yes peter was right, some uderstand some do not I guess it depends on the measure of the Holy spirit they received? but I know that some harden their hearts and do not want to understand.

Yeah, interfait is a growing problem and it seems to be progressing with AI, we can only warn people.

I am quite happy with the current translations I use for the bible, I use a few in english and french. I use also interlinear on bible hub it is useful.

 

[LoveYeshua]

How long before i get banned i wonder . i just noticed you got promoted . to staff member .

why would anyone ban you Amigo there is no reason really I find no fault in what you say and who Am I to judge you or anyone on this forum, lets leave this part to God. actually I am glad you are on this forum.

Blessings

 

[Doug]

Do as You want you have free will. I am just telling you what God asks of us and why. I assure you you are in error.

I know how to differentiate what was required for Isael and us. I chose what is for us as coming from Christ himself

 

[amigo de christo]

The Gentiles grafted into Israel were the Gentiles in Acts 10 not us..................[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[Act 15:7 KJV] 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

The council determined they didnt have to keep the law.....................[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

rather odd doug . Then why was paul when writing to the churches in rome
talk about US g entiles BEING grafted into .........
By faith of course . Your israel after the flesh , THEY ARE NOT the children of GOD they are not even
OF TRUE ISRAEL . Believers IN JESUS are the ones that are of T RUE
ISRAEL . not even all of israel IS OF THIS ISRAEL OF GOD and OF CHRIST .

 

[LoveYeshua]

The Gentiles grafted into Israel were the Gentiles in Acts 10 not us..................[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Doug that verse says jews and gentiles why not us now are we not gentiles?

[Act 15:7 KJV] 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

yes Peter was appointed to go to the gentiles also and He did.

The council determined they didnt have to keep the law.....................[Act 15:24 KJV] 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

the items in RED do not represent the LAW! but things that a believer of the LORD should never do. as for the commandments they were teaching them just as jesus did himself. as you know, Paul did too!

 

[amigo de christo]

why would anyone ban you Amigo there is no reason really I find no fault in what you say and who Am I to judge you or anyone on this forum, lets leave this part to God. actually I am glad you are on this forum.

Blessings

well its time to correct doug cause i seen what he wrote .

 

[amigo de christo]

Dout that verse says jews and gentiles why not us now are we not gentiles?


yes Peter was appointed to go to the gentiles also and He did.


Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,

Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

the items in RED do not represent the LAW! but things that a believer of the LORD should never do. as for the commandments they were teaching them just as jesus did himself. as you know, Paul did too!

paul often used the law as a means of correction .
What does this doug think my friend .
He who is a fornicator , A LIAR , A THIEF , MURDERER , UNCLEAN etc shall not INHERIT the KINGDOM .
NOW DIDNT even the law say T HOU SHALL NOT LIE , STEAL , MURDER .
This generation acts like JESUS came to allow trangression . But what i say to one i say to all
THOUGH we are not under the law
And though we do NOT justify ourselves by the law
IF ANY man , woman or child WHO BELIEVED ON JESUS and WOULD HAVE HAD the SPIRIT upon them .
WOULD NOW LOVE the TRUTH , not hate and twist and omit it . IT WOULD BE UPON our hearts .
But many use grace as a license to sin . BIG MISTAKE TOO , T OTAL PROOF they follow the WRONG jesus friend

 

[LoveYeshua]

I know how to differentiate what was required for Isael and us. I chose what is for us as coming from Christ himself

what do you mean as if coming from christ himself.

 

[LoveYeshua]

well its time to correct doug cause i seen what he wrote .

i have been trying for a long time still work to do, thanks for the help!

 

[Doug]

rather odd doug . Then why was paul when writing to the churches in rome
talk about US g entiles BEING grafted into ......

Paul was speaking of the Gentiles in Acts 10 not us

 

[LoveYeshua]

paul often used the law as a means of correction .
What does this doug think my friend .
He who is a fornicator , A LIAR , A THIEF , MURDERER , UNCLEAN etc shall not INHERIT the KINGDOM .
NOW DIDNT even the law say T HOU SHALL NOT LIE , STEAL , MURDER .
This generation acts like JESUS came to allow trangression . But what i say to one i say to all
THOUGH we are not under the law
And though we do NOT justify ourselves by the law
IF ANY man , woman or child WHO BELIEVED ON JESUS and WOULD HAVE HAD the SPIRIT upon them .
WOULD NOW LOVE the TRUTH , not hate and twist and omit it . IT WOULD BE UPON our hearts .
But many use grace as a license to sin . BIG MISTAKE TOO , T OTAL PROOF they follow the WRONG jesus friend

@Doug's main issue is to think all that was said and done prior Paul ( Including Christ teachings) was only for Israel, I have proven to him quoting numerous verses that the message of the bible is for all who believe and follow God/Christ from the O.T. to the N.T. I hope he will come around as I start to see a change and I offered my help with the synoptic gospels.

 

[amigo de christo]

yes peter was right, some uderstand some do not I guess it depends on the measure of the Holy spirit they received? but I know that some harden their hearts and do not want to understand.

Yeah, interfait is a growing problem and it seems to be progressing with AI, we can only warn people.

I am quite happy with the current translations I use for the bible, I use a few in english and french. I use also interlinear on bible hub it is useful.

due to easy access to world wide communications it has been a growing problem
AND NOW due to AI it will finish them all off . That image is not just a nebuchadezzer image set up
that cannot speak . THIS ONE CAN . and it will RUN the DIGITAL system
wherein if one no comply they NO BUY .
Would you like to hear what a lady said about such a system .
THOUGH this lady is an unbeliver SO she can only see the trees BUT NOT THE FOREST .
She said , I dont like this digital system they have coming in
IF we dont comply they can boot us out of such and we wont have access to our money and etc .
SOUND familiar . And the image that speaks WILL RUN IT .
That lady needs to get her rear TO FAITH IN CHRIST and in that bible and read
what was left for us to read and is now almost two thousand years old . People moc k the bible
AD YET LOOK at it .