I responded to another member who denies the fact that God chose His people for salvation, before He made the earth. The other member tried to convince me that God never chose anyone for salvation, they claim that God only chose them for service. They didn't know that 2 Thessalonians 2:13 confirms that fact that God chose His people for salvation and not for service as the other member falsely claims.
Anyhow, I was glad to correct the member and teach them something they never knew before.
It's OK to admit that you are wrong, when someone corrects you. A wise man loves you for correcting him but a fool hates you for it.
I'm not sure what point if any, you're tying to make by stating that I left out half of the verse?. Do you have something to say about it?
God does not want everyone to be saved, you just made that up. Show me where the Bible says such a silly thing?.
The Bible never ever teaches that God wants everyone to be saved, if He wanted that then that's what He would get, because the God of the Bible always gets everything He wants. You must be talking about some other god.
Why must you twist Gods Word to make it say something entirely different. Why can't you accept what God said as He said it, do you think God need you to correct Him and say "this is what God meant to say, but He failed articulate Himself so I had to step in and correct Him". God promised to torment those who add or take away from His word, in the lake of fire.
I don't believe that God loves the people of the world, but I do believe He hates the people of the world, before they are even born. He only loves Himself and those who are in Him.
He didn't kill billions of men, women, children and unborn children in their mother womb, because He loved them. No, He killed them with Noahs flood because He hates them.
Do you believe that the Lord Jesus, will cast the majority of the worlds people, into thew lake of fire to be tormented for all eternity, because He loves them. Well, think again.
Romans 9:11-14
11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger."
13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated."
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
As you can see God hates certain people, before they are even born. So deal with it.
The contextual framework for Romans 9 is about election for purpose not election for salvation.
‘What was the purpose of the election?
For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen. Romans 9:3-5
- of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came
The purpose for which God chose the children of Israel was to be the generational bloodline of the Messiah.
That is why they are called “the elect”.
They were elected to be the people from which the Messiah, Jesus Christ came.
(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that
the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls). Romans 9:11
Do you hate your father and mother?
Do you hate your children?
In Jewish thought hate doesn’t necessarily mean what it does in English.
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If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26
It’s about preference of one over the other.
God did not hate Esau, in the sense of wanting to see him destroyed, but God preferred Jacob for the lineage of Christ.
God actually blessed Esau greatly and gave him and his descendants a land Just as He did for the children of Israel (Jacob). The Lord drove out the inhabits of the land He gave to Esau which shows that He loved and blessed Esau.
The Horites formerly dwelt in Seir,
but the descendants of Esau dispossessed them and destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their place, just as Israel did to the land of their possession which the LORD gave them.) Deuteronomy 2:12
(That was also regarded as a land of giants; giants formerly dwelt there. But the Ammonites call them Zamzummim, a people as great and numerous and tall as the Anakim. But the LORD destroyed them before them, and they dispossessed them and dwelt in their place,
just as He had done for the descendants of Esau, who dwelt in Seir, when He destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and dwelt in their place, even to this day. Deuteronomy 2:20-22
The children of Israel are the elect; elected for purpose not elected for salvation.
Salvation is for those who choose to honor and obey the Lord.
And if it seems evil to you to serve the LORD,
choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
Joshua 24:15
