THE LORD'S PRAYER: JESUS DIDN'T PRAY IT, SHOULD WE?

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus came to save Israel and offer them the Davidic kingdom on earth. Jesus taught the children of Israel and the disciples Our inheritance in the church the body of Christ is in heaven not the kingdom. Gentiles could always become proselytes and as seen in Acts 10 could believe Peter's preaching and enter the kingdom on earth

Doug Jesus was sent first to Israel, GOD's chosen people. That flock were without a shepherd they needed him badly but also did not Jesus spoke to a Samaritan woman, a gentile, cured the centurion's servant a gentile also? See the message of jesus was also heard by gentiles, a centurion in this example. remember that Jesus DID send his disciples to all the world to proclaim his teachings and all he did, this proves without a doubt that his message is for all who believe in him.

 

[LoveYeshua]

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There arent different Gentiles just different dispensations. Israel was being offered the Davidic kingdom on earth and Peter and the eleven preached it. In Acts 10 the Gentiles believed Peter's preaching and became members in the church headed by Peter. These Gentiles were the ones grafted in and would enter the kingdom on earth.

DOUG,

Dispensationalism is the belief that God has different ways of dealing with people in different “time periods” or “ages,” and that what Jesus said to Israel is not always meant for the church today. But this idea is false because it divides what Jesus came to unite. In simple words: God never changed His plan. From the beginning, He wanted one people—those who love Him and obey His word. Jesus did not come to start a new system but to fulfill what was already written. He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17).

Dispensationalism tries to separate Israel and the church as if they are two different paths to God, but Jesus said there is only one way and one flock. “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16).

This teaching also wrongly claims that some of Jesus’ words, like the Sermon on the Mount, are only for Israel, not for believers today. Yet Jesus said His words will never pass away (Matthew 24:35) and that whoever hears and keeps them builds on a rock (Matthew 7:24). Dispensationalism is false because it cuts the Bible into separate pieces instead of seeing it as one story of God’s love and salvation through Jesus Christ. The same Lord who spoke to Israel speaks now to all nations. His message has never changed: “Follow Me, and you will have the light of life” (John 8:12).

 

[Doug]

according to whom doug YOU and your so called wise men .
HE WROTE IT TO AN ENTIRE CHURCH and that aint the only letter he shows us this in either .
Last time i checked the house hold of cornleioius WASNT that BIG friend .
THEY all knew . ITS you and your leaders and wise men WHO do not know the simple truth of things my friend .

The Gentiles in Acts 10 that believed Peter's preaching are the Gentiles grafted in. Romans 9-11 is talking about the believing remnant of Israel..................[Rom 9:27 KJV] 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

The Gentiles who believed Peter's preaching were grafted into Israel..................[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We the body of Christ isnt grafted into Israel. In the body there is neith Jew or Gentile.

 

[Doug]

The bible speaks to ALL humanity always! why not us please explain.

WHO IS THE WILD OLIVE TREE ?​

Here is my post on this subject if you want more detail

The Gentiles in Acts 10 that believed Peter's preaching are the Gentiles grafted in. Romans 9-11 is talking about the believing remnant of Israel..................[Rom 9:27 KJV] 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

The Gentiles who believed Peter's preaching were grafted into Israel..................[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We the body of Christ isnt grafted into Israel. In the body there is neith Jew or Gentile.

 

[Doug]

again , according to whom doug . You and your dispensationslist men .
AS FOR ME , ITS LET GOD BE TRUE but every man a liar . YOU all are twistng scrips and doing so
unto your own destruction .

There are dispensations

[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
[Eph 1:10 KJV] 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul does not say we will inherit the Davidic kingdom on earth. Where does Paul say we will inherit an earthly kingdom?

 

[amigo de christo]

There are dispensations

[1Co 9:17 KJV] 17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.
[Eph 1:10 KJV] 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
[Col 1:25 KJV] 25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

Paul does not say we will inherit the Davidic kingdom on earth. Where does Paul say we will inherit an earthly kingdom?

Man they got you my friend . you really beleive their are dispensations of truth .
WHEN EVEN from the garden , to the law , IT POINTED to one TRUTH
To one grace . Though that grace had not yet been revealed BY The word that would become flesh .
they twisted things my friend .
And even the law was patterned , even the temple was pattererned
and pointed too
HE who would come and establish not the pattern after the heavenly BUT THE HEAVENLY .
i seen yalls dispensations and dispensationalism
And it does the same identical pattern that he who was in the garden did .
USES truths in a way that establishes the lie and a lie .
Your men duped you . But i do not attack nor condemn you , and its not just your group that has been duped .
CHRISTENDOM has t anked . WE BETTER bible up again for our own selves

 

[Doug]

Not only Peter was appointed by GOD to be an Apostle to the gentiles But he was appointed before Paul.

Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men andbrethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

I have shown you this verse before.

Where is it written Peter is an apostle to the Gentiles?

Peter's preaching was believed by the Gentiles and they became part of the remnant of Israel.........that doesnt make him apostle to the Gentiles

 

[amigo de christo]

[1Co 6:9-11 KJV] 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Paul was admonishing the Corinthian church because they werent repenting of their fornication. He was reinforcing that those who do these things will not inherit the kingdom. He wasnt condemning to hell if they sinned. Look at verse 11 they were justified.

In light of who they are in Christ they should repent of their fornication..................[1Co 6:18 KJV] 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

man you started out of the gate strong . I was getting ready to put a like on this
TILL i seen what you did . SO you telling me that the unrighteous Shall not face the lake of fire .
YEAH right .
Paul was simply telling the church DONT decieve yourselves . many are lippers and still love their sin
THOSE WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD no matter how much they claim to BELEIVE .
GOD aint mocked bud .
HE Knows the lippers from the real ones . As far as being condemned to hell .
God desires life for us ,
REPENTANCE is the one simple thing that restores a man . BUT YOU GO and learn what that means .
DONT use grace as a license or semi license to sin .
THOSE who live in sin are dead while they live in sin . ALL we need to do
is REBUKE sin in the church . PUT out those who are in sin and wont repent .
Sorry friend but a man who loves sin KNOWS NOT GOD .
You can try and groom me all you want but any man who day in and day out justifies
his sin , AS MANY DO , as rainbow holders do , as the church does , DO NOT and does NOT KNOW GOD
and will roast even worse than those who claimed by mouth another religoin . cause they USED THE GOD
THE GOD , THE JESUS to justify their sin . TIME TO CORRCT ANY AND ALL SIN within the church .
TIME to be grave again . T IME TO CORRECT AGAIN . you all downplaying things . THAT ALONE IS A REAL BAD SIGN DOUG .
I been watching you . YOU sound like the old me , With a bit more religoin , BUT STILL like the old me .

 

[amigo de christo]

Where is it written Peter is an apostle to the Gentiles?

Peter's preaching was believed by the Gentiles and they became part of the remnant of Israel.........that doesnt make him apostle to the Gentiles

Man they got you . A stronghold is upon thee .
Where is it written the word rapture . YET ITS TRUE
THEY PREACHED THE IDENTICAL gospel . the very gospel peter preached to the jews
HE preached to the house of cornelious .
The very gospel that paul preached to the jews IN ALL AND EVERY SINGLE synagogue he entered , WHICH WAS MANY
He preached to the gentiles .
Man they got you . BIBLE TIME friend . BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Where is it written Peter is an apostle to the Gentiles?

Peter's preaching was believed by the Gentiles and they became part of the remnant of Israel.........that doesnt make him apostle to the Gentiles

paul spoke of the rapture though the word is not used
ARE YOU NOW gonna tell me that just because james , jude didnt mention it in their letters
That somehow THEY DID NOT believe in it .
VERY simple it is to disprove your ways and your thoughts . BIBLE TIME FRIEND

 

[Doug]

I think divisiveness is a bad road to travel.

Divineness occurs when we dont rightly divide scripture and know what was for Israel and what is for us

 

[amigo de christo]

Divineness occurs when we dont rightly divide scripture and know what was for Israel and what is for us

yep and you just used a prime example of NOT rightly dividing the word .
What is for ISRAEL IS for us . and reader beware because not even all of israel IS OF THIS ISREAEL .
THE PEOPLES OF GOD are THE PEOPLES OF JESUS CHRIST . The ISRAEL of GOD .
the heavenly JERSUALEM OF GOD , THE TRUE MOUNT ZION of GOD they have come too .
Better flee dispensationalsim cause it darn sure aint been rightly dividing THE WORD of TRUTH

 

[Doug]

I don't read verse 9 as saying that.

Matthew 6:9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

Different translation from the KJV

 

[LoveYeshua]

WHO IS THE WILD OLIVE TREE ?​

Here is my post on this subject if you want more detail

The Gentiles in Acts 10 that believed Peter's preaching are the Gentiles grafted in. Romans 9-11 is talking about the believing remnant of Israel..................[Rom 9:27 KJV] 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

The Gentiles who believed Peter's preaching were grafted into Israel..................[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We the body of Christ isnt grafted into Israel. In the body there is neith Jew or Gentile.

The “wild olive tree” in Romans 11 is not the Gentiles in the church, the body of Christ. Instead, it refers to Gentiles who are part of the believing remnant, grafted into the good olive tree, which is believing Israel. God has always allowed Gentiles to be saved through Israel. When Israel stumbled by rejecting Jesus, salvation came to the Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy.

The branches that were broken off are unbelieving Israel, who rejected Jesus. The wild olive tree represents Gentiles who believed the gospel of the kingdom, accepted Jesus as Messiah, and were grafted into the promises God gave to Israel. They are part of the believing remnant.

The body of Christ, however, is made of both Jews and Gentiles and has no distinction of Jew or Gentile (Galatians 3:28). Therefore, it would not make sense to call the body of Christ the “wild olive tree.” The wild olive tree is specifically the Gentile new testament saints grafted among the faithful branches of Israel, who will share in the coming kingdom on earth. Israel will be restored when the fulness of the Gentiles is completed. At that time, Jesus will bring salvation to Israel and fulfill the covenant promises.

In short, the wild olive tree is the faithful Gentiles grafted into believing Israel, not the universal church or body of Christ. They are part of God’s plan to bring salvation to all Israel, along with the little flock of believers.

 

[Doug]

WHAT A BUNCH OF BALDERDASH THE ABOVE IS!

So you say this is what you should pray. then look at this verse.........................[Mat 6:12, 14-15 KJV] 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. ... 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses...................you are saying Christ didnt forgive all our sins, to be forgiven you have to forgive others

 

[Doug]

Doctrines and instructions and commandments for everything we need are given directly by our Lord, who is one with God, and are recorded in the four Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Why then do you turn to the writings of the Apostle Paul when the very words of eternal life are found in the Gospels spoken by Jesus Himself?

Many have become lost in the writings of Paul, and some teachers have twisted their meaning. I urge you to return to the true source of eternal life, Jesus Christ, whom you should follow with all your heart. I fear that your church and teachers may have led you astray, for much of what you write does not reflect the words of God, but the teachings of men. I am not the only one who see this, many have told you also.

John 14:6
-"“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 6:63
-"The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.”

John 10:9
“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.”

John 11:25–26
-“I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

John 6:47–48
“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. I am the bread of life.”

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

John 12:50
“And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

John 15:5–6
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered.”

please read the following from John chapter 5 (KJV);

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.41 I receive not honour from men.42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

I have nothing else to say that I have said and you wont acknowledge. The words of Christ are written by Paul

 

[Doug]

man you started out of the gate strong . I was getting ready to put a like on this
TILL i seen what you did . SO you telling me that the unrighteous Shall not face the lake of fire .
YEAH right .

I didnt say that, I said the Corinthian church members werent going to be cast into hell
Paul was pointing out that God would cast out sinners who werent justified in Christ
They had to know who they were in Christ and not be partakers with the ungodly

 

[Davy]

So you say this is what you should pray. then look at this verse.........................[Mat 6:12, 14-15 KJV] 12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. ... 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses...................you are saying Christ didnt forgive all our sins, to be forgiven you have to forgive others

YOU JUST WENT TO MY IGNORE LIST, SO DON'T BOTHER RESPONDING TO ME ANYMORE. AND ANY SLANDER YOU DO AGAINST ME AFTER THIS POST, MAY GOD REBUKE YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

 

[Doug]

Man they got you . A stronghold is upon thee .
Where is it written the word rapture . YET ITS TRUE
THEY PREACHED THE IDENTICAL gospel . the very gospel peter preached to the jews
HE preached to the house of cornelious .
The very gospel that paul preached to the jews IN ALL AND EVERY SINGLE synagogue he entered , WHICH WAS MANY
He preached to the gentiles .
Man they got you . BIBLE TIME friend . BIBLE TIME .

Nowhere does it say Peter was an apostle to the Gentiles does it?

 

[Doug]

paul spoke of the rapture though the word is not used
ARE YOU NOW gonna tell me that just because james , jude didnt mention it in their letters
That somehow THEY DID NOT believe in it .
VERY simple it is to disprove your ways and your thoughts . BIBLE TIME FRIEND

The word rapture is not used but we can read about it
We cant read anywhere where Peter is said to be an apostle to the Gentiles