The Bible - Fiction, or non-fiction?

[St. SteVen]

What myth ??

Matt 24:37 For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matt 24:38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark,

Go argue with Jesus.

Are you familiar with the fictional story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf?

The same could be referred to in order to make a point.
It wouldn't make the story true.

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[St. SteVen]

I wouldn't call it genocide; it was judgment. It also ignores the context, which others have noted is found in Enoch. Humanity and animals had become genetically corrupted. If God had not done what He did, there would have been nothing left to save.

So, if it's not a genocide, then it would be making a false accusation against God. And if it was, then what? We are in no position to judge God. He is the one that gives life, and He can take it away.

Murdering an entire people is called genocide.
You only seek to sugar-coat it because it is God.
If God would not do that, then the story is myth.

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[Jack]

Murdering an entire people is called genocide.

Maybe you can tell Jesus that face to face on Judgment Day, if you're not BAWLING too badly.

You only seek to sugar-coat it because it is God.
If God would not do that, then the story is myth.

The Genesis Flood is well documented several times in the Bible.

Luke 17:26-27

26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

God of the Bible is your problem. And that's about the worst problem a human can have, other than burning in Hell "Forever and ever" with the Devil!

 

[Jack]

Why are you doing this ???

I am 99.9999999999999% sure you are aware of the angelic interpretation of Genesis 6.2, the devil further ruining God's creation spreading his seed up to the point of v5 : The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And so the Lord destroyed the satanic seed.

And creation was rebooted.

You know all that.

Amen! God knew exactly what He was doing! Stevie seems to think he overrules God. Won't Judgment Day be interesting!

 

[Jericho]

Murdering an entire people is called genocide.
You only seek to sugar-coat it because it is God.
If God would not do that, then the story is myth.

And do you think the story is a myth because you believe God would never do such a thing? God was perfectly justified for the reason already stated, and because He is the highest authority and can do whatever He wants. I think you're trying to guilt people into believing the traditional biblical flood narrative by calling it "genocide," which is an odd argument to make from a self-professed Christian. I've only ever seen atheists make such an accusation.

 

[St. SteVen]

And do you think the story is a myth because you believe God would never do such a thing? God was perfectly justified for the reason already stated, and because He is the highest authority and can do whatever He wants. I think you're trying to guilt people into believing the traditional biblical flood narrative by calling it "genocide," which is an odd argument to make from a self-professed Christian. I've only ever seen atheists make such an accusation.

Should we assume that atheists are wrong about everything?
Or conversely, that we are right about everything?

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[Jack]

And do you think the story is a myth because you believe God would never do such a thing? God was perfectly justified for the reason already stated, and because He is the highest authority and can do whatever He wants. I think you're trying to guilt people into believing the traditional biblical flood narrative by calling it "genocide," which is an odd argument to make from a self-professed Christian. I've only ever seen atheists make such an accusation.

Bingo!

 

[ProDeo]

Are you familiar with the fictional story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf?

The same could be referred to in order to make a point.
It wouldn't make the story true.

A Flood of Myths and Stories

It's not just Noah's ark: learn more about a number of other flood myths in the cultures, faiths and histories of the world.

www.pbs.org

Many flood stories around the globe in ancient times, same Noah theme.

Something very bad happened.

No myth.

 

[Jack]

Anyone who denies the clear Biblical account of the Genesis Flood is calling Jesus, Moses, Isaiah, Matthew, Luke, Hebrews and Peter LIARS!

IOW, messengers of Satan!

 

[St. SteVen]

Many flood stories around the globe in ancient times, same Noah theme.

Perhaps they were all writing about the SAME ancient myth?

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[Jack]

Perhaps they were all writing about the SAME ancient myth?

Christians don't call the Bible myth stevie. The Bible is myth to those heading for Hell.

Matthew 24:37-39
37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

 

[ProDeo]

Perhaps they were all writing about the SAME ancient myth?

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What's the next step @St. SteVen ??

Maybe 3 chapters back is also a myth ??

One sin, no forgiveness possible, all in Adam (100+ billion, you as one of them) will suffer and die, all this while you had not the same chance as A&E. In fact you (and those other 100+ billion) never asked to be born and yet many will end up in the LOF, how cruel of God ??

The flood is about millions that died, the Fall more than 100 billions and counting.

The Garden also a myth ??

As you can see this kind of reasoning leads to nowhere.

Better recheck your faith.

 

[St. SteVen]

Maybe 3 chapters back is also a myth ??

What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

Since Jesus died to pay the death penalty for original sin, what happens if you remove the original sinner? Or to state this another way... How does our view of origins affect our doctrine? Trying to sort this out in my own mind. Stuck somewhere between science and religion. Send help! -...

www.christianityboard.com

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[ProDeo]

What is the affect on The Fall and The Atonement, if Adam was not the first human?

Since Jesus died to pay the death penalty for original sin, what happens if you remove the original sinner? Or to state this another way... How does our view of origins affect our doctrine? Trying to sort this out in my own mind. Stuck somewhere between science and religion. Send help! -...

www.christianityboard.com

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The flood was about millions, the fall about billions.

Your logic demonstrated in this thread fails.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

There are a range of opinions on this.
Some claim the Bible is like any other religious mythology. (fiction)
Some claim it is completely literal and inerrant, cover to cover. (non-fiction)
Others view it as a mixture of literal and figurative. (fiction and non-fiction)

Is the Revelation of John literal? (non-fiction)
What about the creation accounts? (fiction, or non-fiction)
Noah's flood? (fiction, or non-fiction)
The gospel accounts? (fiction, or non-fiction) When did the fig tree wither?

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What's happened that's led you to question your faith?

 

[St. SteVen]

Your logic demonstrated in this thread fails.

Nonsense.

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[St. SteVen]

What's happened that's led you to question your faith?

My faith is not in question.
But I am a recovering evangelical, deconstructing my upbringing.

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[ProverbsInPink]

My faith is not in question.
But I am a recovering evangelical, deconstructing my upbringing.

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Perhaps we all come to that fork in the road. God bless your journey.

 

[ProDeo]

Nonsense.

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Your reasoning in this thread is that God is love, so He can't have committed genocide with the Flood, hence the Flood is a myth.

Where I said, the Flood was only about millions, the Garden is about 100+ billions and counting, we all die. For a sin we did not even commit, how is that love? So following your logic the fall must be a myth also, right? If the flood killed 100 million (10 would be more likely), the death toll is 1000 times more.

It's not nonsense.

Let's reason.

I like the hard questions too.

 

[St. SteVen]

Your reasoning in this thread is that God is love, so He can't have committed genocide with the Flood, hence the Flood is a myth.

Where I said, the Flood was only about millions, the Garden is about 100+ billions and counting, we all die.

I see a difference between natural death and murder. (genocide)

For a sin we did not even commit, how is that love? So following your logic the fall must be a myth also, right? If the flood killed 100 million (10 would be more likely), the death toll is 1000 times more.

I'm torn on that one. I think most Jewish people view it as myth. And evolutionists, for sure.
Causes serious doctrinal issues though.

I like the hard questions too.

I think the questions are more important than the answers.

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