Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.

[Lizbeth]

The passages you mentioned (Matthew 10:6 and 15:24) refer to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel," but this is a metaphorical way of describing the scattered or spiritually wayward Jewish people of the time—mostly from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi living in Judea and Galilee under Roman rule.

Check the context carefully. Jesus was way up north in Tyre and Sidon and had to instruct his disciples to avoid the Samaritans who lived where the northern tribes (house of Israel) lived. It does appear that Jesus and His disciples were reaching out to remnants of the northern tribes ("house of Israel") up there.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

I don't know if there are any or many descendants of the northern tribes there, but I believe at the very least there are descendants from the southern kingdom of Judah in Israel. I don't say there is no value in checking historical resources, but I think our reliance needs to be on the Holy Spirit and hearing from Him. And don't forget that historical records can be mistaken or skewed and biased, deliberately or inadvertently, and of course they don't take God or the things of God into account.

P.S. Many of my classmates, acquaintances, and friends emigrated to Israel after the collapse of the USSR. Before they repatriated to Israel, none of them knew they were Jewish. But now, all of them—100%—are certain they know which tribe they come from.

Why did they go there if they had no idea of having Jewish lineage? I didn't think Israel was accepting non-Jewish immigration.

“Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord” (2 Chronicles 19:2).

And the Lord opened that 2 Chron 19 scripture to me this morning.........it speaks to us about not being unequally yoked with unbelievers (who He terms in the OT as the wicked, or pagans).......which today would include unbelieving Jewish people and Israel, as well as secular or people of other religions/beliefs. The bible says friendship with the world is enmity with Him. (Doesnt mean not to love people, but we are not to link arms and join in with other faiths and their adherents or pretend to go along with their beliefs...we are to be "separate" from the world.) Holding hands, so to speak, with the unbelieving "helps" and encourages/strengthens them in their unbelief and false religions, instead of rescuing them out of these deceptions with the word of Truth.

 

[Lizbeth]

I hear you saying that geopolitical concerns, including Zionism, aren’t the church’s business and that the Hebrew Roots movement is a deception. I agree that there’s a problem—Zionist ideas can infiltrate Christian spaces, sowing confusion by blending biblical promises with modern political agendas. You’ve acknowledged this issue, which is a start, but you haven’t addressed my core question: how should Christians respond to this infiltration? Instead, you talk about seeking balance, yet you echo Zionist talking points, like implying Paul’s words about “Israel” (Romans 11:29) somehow apply to the modern state of Israel and its citizens. That’s the disconnect

The truth shall set you free....the church needs to come back to the truth....such as that "now we know no man after the flesh any longer"...and that "the flesh profits nothing". This idolizing of all things Jewish/Israel needs to stop. We aren't helping them by putting them on a pedestal and linking arms with them.......that only strengthens them in their unbelief instead of leading them to Christ.

By "balance" I am talking about reminding people not to be anti-semitic. Your posts sometimes sound rather harsh to my ears and I'm concerned about the potential for anti-semitism. I am just trying to balance the things you are saying with reminders that we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them. I've lived long enough to see how pendulums swing so easily too far from one extreme to another in a backlash instead of remaining steadily in the middle....rightly balanced.

 

[amigo de christo]

The truth shall set you free....the church needs to come back to the truth....such as that "now we know no man after the flesh any longer"...and that "the flesh profits nothing". This idolizing of all things Jewish/Israel needs to stop. We aren't helping them by putting them on a pedestal and linking arms with them.......that only strengthens them in their unbelief instead of leading them to Christ.

By "balance" I am talking about reminding people not to be anti-semitic. Your posts sometimes sound rather harsh to my ears and I'm concerned about the potential for anti-semitism. I am just trying to balance the things you are saying with reminders that we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them. I've lived long enough to see how pendulums swing so easily too far from one extreme to another in a backlash instead of remaining steadily in the middle....rightly balanced.

Very true dear sister . we are not helping them or the false religoins
or even the church memebers in sin
WHEN WE SIMPLY LINK arms and find common ground . WE are co helpers ONLY to their destruction .
As they remain IN UNBELEIF
As well as the churches who remain in sin and Beleive now in another jesus that accepts sins and even denies his gospel.
THIS finding common ground was a lie and a haox from the get go .

 

[Chrysostomos]

By "balance" I am talking about reminding people not to be anti-semitic. Your posts sometimes sound rather harsh to my ears and I'm concerned about the potential for anti-semitism. I am just trying to balance the things you are saying with reminders that we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them. I've lived long enough to see how pendulums swing so easily too far from one extreme to another in a backlash instead of remaining steadily in the middle....rightly balanced.

@Lizbeth, I’ve said this before in another thread with @amigo de christo: communicating on the English-speaking internet is incredibly difficult for me. Everyone gets offended, plays the victim, and accuses you of “anti-Semitism,” “racism,” or whatever.

Over years of engaging here, I’ve realized the culture is wildly different from Runet. In Runet, people say exactly what they think—no filter, full contact, blood and guts.

Here, I’m scared to write anything without overthinking every word seven times to smooth out “sharp edges,” and still, someone gets offended. If I had to compare, the English internet isn’t even wrestling—it’s a game of who can act more offended or claim to be more insulted. And I keep losing at this game.

For example, @Behold accused me of wanting to beat him up. Why? I didn’t even understand who he was at first or why he thought I wanted to punch him, with only a laptop stopping me. Then I remembered—he’s the one who lives in Israel but doesn’t know official Israeli statistics. He stuck in my mind only for that. On this forum, he’d be at the bottom of the list of people I’d even think about punching. I talked to him briefly at the start of this thread and had already forgotten about him. But apparently, he’s been thinking all this time that I’m dreaming of beating him up. Absurd!

Then today, @soberxp asked me: “If I say that I have sought eternal life from my very youth, do you think I am snobbish?” What kind of question is that? Why would I think he’s a snob? Especially over words like that. Where? How? Why did he decide to ask me that? Where did I give any reason?

Now you’re accusing me of sounding harsh. But where? I’ve tried to be as polite as possible. And still, my messages hurt someone’s delicate feelings.

You also accuse me of sliding into anti-Semitism. But on what basis? I’ve only cited official Israeli statistics, well-known historical facts, and Scripture. And still, you try to slap the “anti-Semite” label on me.

Tell me, how am I supposed to communicate with all of you? You constantly pretend to be victims out of thin air, trying to make me the villain.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I don't know if there are any or many descendants of the northern tribes there, but I believe at the very least there are descendants from the southern kingdom of Judah in Israel. I don't say there is no value in checking historical resources, but I think our reliance needs to be on the Holy Spirit and hearing from Him. And don't forget that historical records can be mistaken or skewed and biased, deliberately or inadvertently, and of course they don't take God or the things of God into account.

This is another problem. That’s why it’s so hard to communicate with you all.

You essentially dismiss my arguments—official Israeli statistics, well-known historical facts, and Scripture—while saying you don’t, but “our reliance needs to be on the Holy Spirit and hearing from Him.”

Similarly, in another thread “What a Modern Christian Needs to
Understand to Tackle Today's Challenges,” @Big Boy Johnson answers a direct question with: “God's Word and the leading / teaching ministry of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... is all true Christians need as this is more than enough.”

You all, as one, at some point pull out the magic phrase: “our reliance needs to be on the Holy Spirit.”
This signals you don’t care about any arguments, facts, or evidence—no matter what I say. You declare yourselves a priori right in everything because you “rely on the Holy Spirit,” not reason, logic, arguments, or facts.
How do you continue a dialogue after that?

 

[Chrysostomos]

Why did they go there if they had no idea of having Jewish lineage? I didn't think Israel was accepting non-Jewish immigration.

@Lizbeth, pure “holy naivety.” I already covered this in post #86—copying it just for you:

Then the collapse of the USSR: a decade of unemployment, crime, inflation, defaults, and despair followed. Meanwhile, Israel was offering new repatriates an "absorption basket"—about 10,000 shekels per family (roughly $2,500 in the 1990s). Half was paid upon arrival at the airport, the rest over six months. Add to that free Hebrew courses (ulpan), tax breaks for 3.5 years, housing assistance—up to 50% of rent for the first three years and 2% interest mortgages for home purchases—and job support, including programs for professionals like doctors and teachers, plus grants for starting businesses. I vividly remember the 1990s, when my city was plastered with ads: "For a small fee, we’ll uncover your Jewish roots and help you repatriate to Israel. 100% guaranteed." For a couple hundred bucks, anyone could secure "verified" Jewish ancestry. Even now, Google serves me ads for legal services promising help with Israeli repatriation. Something tells me the situation was similar in places like Argentina—people are the same everywhere.

From 1948 to 2025, the total number of repatriates from the former Soviet Union and their descendants is roughly 2,174,800, making up 28.2% of Israel’s non-Arab population (7,707,000).

Roughly a third of Israelis today are former Soviet citizens or their descendants. Back in the USSR, they were godless atheists, singing hymns to Lenin and Stalin, only to become "Jews" overnight and fly to Israel for benefits, housing, and privileges. This aligns eerily with Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

The irony is striking: just yesterday, a third of Israel’s population consisted of Party communists, Pioneers, and Komsomol members belting out:
"The fight goes on and on,
Our hearts are restless still.
And Lenin, ever young,
Leads October’s thrill."

Today, those same people sing: "I firmly believe in the coming of the Messiah. It may not happen soon, but I will wait for him." This song draws from Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Judaism, a declaration of faith in the Messiah’s eventual arrival. But how can you take such a rapid ideological U-turn seriously?

P.S. Many of my classmates, acquaintances, and friends emigrated to Israel after the collapse of the USSR. Before they repatriated to Israel, none of them knew they were Jewish. But now, all of them—100%—are certain they know which tribe they come from.

 

[amigo de christo]

My friend you kinda are playing the i am the victim here card .
Look , speak the truth . The cards fall as they fall .
people are too worried . Speak the truth . the cards fall as they fall .
I have been b anned , put into a digital ghetto for life .
THEY aint gonna silence my mouth . STOP wo rrying and simply speak the truth .
Now armour up and to the trenches . Who cares what Behold and others accuse you or me of doing .
I been called anything from anti christ to satan
to even a stream of four lettters words or words to that effect , EVEN IN PERSON .
The cards fall as they fall my friend .
STOP complaining . Cause i will be very honest to everyone last man and woman on this site ,
NONE of you gonna convince me to pander to squat that is contrary to CHRIST and biblical truth .
SO today i make this call
and i do want every single person to read this
as well as all mods .
SO here it is , May it be an ice cold day in the lake of fire
long before this mouth gets silenced . This world can pry my bible from my hands
From my cold dead fingers . ITS TRUTH For me , THIS SHEEP DONT COMPROMISE .
NO DEAL to even one thing being compromised . yes , NO DEAL . this sheep DONT compromise .
THE ALL INCLUSVIE WHORE HARLOT and her ecumincal satanic interfaith cup WILL BE EXPOSED BY ME
so long as i got breath and JESUS alone and that gospel the ONLY one i shall even allow to be pointed to in my presence .
I made my choice . GIVE ME JESUS , the BIBLICAL TRUTH of EVERY word of THE LORD and that HE INSPIRED .
No matter the cost to me .

 

[Chrysostomos]

My friend you kinda are playing the i am the victim here card .

So, everyone here does it, and I can’t?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I’m not a professional victim yet—I still have a lot to learn from you all.

 

[amigo de christo]

@Lizbeth, I’ve said this before in another thread with @amigo de christo: communicating on the English-speaking internet is incredibly difficult for me. Everyone gets offended, plays the victim, and accuses you of “anti-Semitism,” “racism,” or whatever.

Over years of engaging here, I’ve realized the culture is wildly different from Runet. In Runet, people say exactly what they think—no filter, full contact, blood and guts.

Here, I’m scared to write anything without overthinking every word seven times to smooth out “sharp edges,” and still, someone gets offended. If I had to compare, the English internet isn’t even wrestling—it’s a game of who can act more offended or claim to be more insulted. And I keep losing at this game.

For example, @Behold accused me of wanting to beat him up. Why? I didn’t even understand who he was at first or why he thought I wanted to punch him, with only a laptop stopping me. Then I remembered—he’s the one who lives in Israel but doesn’t know official Israeli statistics. He stuck in my mind only for that. On this forum, he’d be at the bottom of the list of people I’d even think about punching. I talked to him briefly at the start of this thread and had already forgotten about him. But apparently, he’s been thinking all this time that I’m dreaming of beating him up. Absurd!

Then today, @soberxp asked me: “If I say that I have sought eternal life from my very youth, do you think I am snobbish?” What kind of question is that? Why would I think he’s a snob? Especially over words like that. Where? How? Why did he decide to ask me that? Where did I give any reason?

Now you’re accusing me of sounding harsh. But where? I’ve tried to be as polite as possible. And still, my messages hurt someone’s delicate feelings.

You also accuse me of sliding into anti-Semitism. But on what basis? I’ve only cited official Israeli statistics, well-known historical facts, and Scripture. And still, you try to slap the “anti-Semite” label on me.

Tell me, how am I supposed to communicate with all of you? You constantly pretend to be victims out of thin air, trying to make me the villain.

read my statement my friend .
TODAY is the DAY . WE do not look back and there will be NO COMPROMISE .
I dont give a rip if one came to me and said HEY amigo
Lets meet half way , let us have women pastors and we will heed you about no more honoring gay marriage .
STILL NO DEAL .
I will not compromise , i dont care what it is . IF JESUS said it and later the apostels did it
THERE WILL BE NO COMPROMISE of a word on my watch .
And i already know all about the difference of meats , drinks and days etc .
IF even a man came and said okay amigo of the seven things you said about in that bible
we will get rid of the six , but cant we just continue one. Just one , its a small one amigo
I SAY NO DEAL , this sheep dont compromise if anything done is contrary to CHRIST , NO DEAL . NO DEAL .
Now do i sound like a mad man or like a man that simply will not compromise the TRUTH .
either way , this sheep by the grace of GOD will not COMPROMISE . no deal to the WHORE
Not even a millimeter . for if a man giveth darkness even a millimeter
IN TIME IT ALWAYS BECOMES THE RULER . e rror can only beget error . SO what do we say
to the well favored harlot and her ecumincal interfaith lets find common ground ..................NO DEAL HO
I sit at JESUS TABLE peroid . enjoy my friend . enjoy .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, everyone here does it, and I can’t?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I’m not a professional victim yet—I still have a lot to learn from you all.

No sir , we dont play the victim card my friend .
ANd if i do it , REBUKE ME , REMIND ME
We dont play the victim , IN JESUS WE HAVE THE VICTORY and no matter what cometh against us
no matter if even we be killed for the faith , WE WIN FOR JESUS HAS ALREADY WON .
We aint victims , IN JESUS WE ARE OVERCOMERS .
SO i have a saying
WHEN IN ROME , EXPOSE THE WICKED HARLOT for she nests there
and soon she sits over earthen Jersualem with the we are one merged religoins of anti christ .
SO when in ROME , or wherever we are , DO AS JESUS DID and walk as HE DID and n ever compromise .
Stay in prayer my friend , THE LORD shall supply all we need IN CHRIST JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, everyone here does it, and I can’t?

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

I’m not a professional victim yet—I still have a lot to learn from you all.

The only thing we can learn from the victim card is
IT IS A TOOL to always silence T RUTH , for they cannot gainsay or overcome the simple truth .
SO make the ones speaking it seem as haters . ITS A FOOLS errand played by those
who simply cannot overcome the simple truth , meant only to do one t hing
LET E VIL g ain the ground and then when it has , AND WOE WOE WOE It has
CONVINCE world and socities OF the final solution to rid this earth of any and of all that did not conform

 

[Chrysostomos]

No sir , we dont play the victim card my friend .
ANd if i do it , REBUKE ME , REMIND ME
We dont play the victim , IN JESUS WE HAVE THE VICTORY and no matter what cometh against us
no matter if even we be killed for the faith , WE WIN FOR JESUS HAS ALREADY WON .
We aint victims , IN JESUS WE ARE OVERCOMERS .
SO i have a saying
WHEN IN ROME , EXPOSE THE WICKED HARLOT for she nests there
and soon she sits over earthen Jersualem with the we are one merged religoins of anti christ .
SO when in ROME , or wherever we are , DO AS JESUS DID and walk as HE DID and n ever compromise .
Stay in prayer my friend , THE LORD shall supply all we need IN CHRIST JESUS .

Saying one thing and doing another—that’s something you’re pretty good at too. Noted.

 

[amigo de christo]

Saying one thing and doing another—that’s something you’re pretty good at too. Noted.

Do not give in to the delusion my friend . We must now all double and triple down
in the simple reading of the scriptures . stay reminded , stay alert , be stirred up by those simple reminders .
The ol WHORE and her co workers , the powers of darkness and dark love take no time off
to deceive and to allure all to the lie .
We make our last stand now or fall with the rest .
This false solution will take any and all not in the lambs book of life .
DOUBLE down now . return to the daily reading and enjoying of the scriptures and be in prayer .

 

[amigo de christo]

@Lizbeth, pure “holy naivety.” I already covered this in post #86—copying it just for you:

Then the collapse of the USSR: a decade of unemployment, crime, inflation, defaults, and despair followed. Meanwhile, Israel was offering new repatriates an "absorption basket"—about 10,000 shekels per family (roughly $2,500 in the 1990s). Half was paid upon arrival at the airport, the rest over six months. Add to that free Hebrew courses (ulpan), tax breaks for 3.5 years, housing assistance—up to 50% of rent for the first three years and 2% interest mortgages for home purchases—and job support, including programs for professionals like doctors and teachers, plus grants for starting businesses. I vividly remember the 1990s, when my city was plastered with ads: "For a small fee, we’ll uncover your Jewish roots and help you repatriate to Israel. 100% guaranteed." For a couple hundred bucks, anyone could secure "verified" Jewish ancestry. Even now, Google serves me ads for legal services promising help with Israeli repatriation. Something tells me the situation was similar in places like Argentina—people are the same everywhere.

From 1948 to 2025, the total number of repatriates from the former Soviet Union and their descendants is roughly 2,174,800, making up 28.2% of Israel’s non-Arab population (7,707,000).

Roughly a third of Israelis today are former Soviet citizens or their descendants. Back in the USSR, they were godless atheists, singing hymns to Lenin and Stalin, only to become "Jews" overnight and fly to Israel for benefits, housing, and privileges. This aligns eerily with Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.

The irony is striking: just yesterday, a third of Israel’s population consisted of Party communists, Pioneers, and Komsomol members belting out:
"The fight goes on and on,
Our hearts are restless still.
And Lenin, ever young,
Leads October’s thrill."

Today, those same people sing: "I firmly believe in the coming of the Messiah. It may not happen soon, but I will wait for him." This song draws from Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Judaism, a declaration of faith in the Messiah’s eventual arrival. But how can you take such a rapid ideological U-turn seriously?

P.S. Many of my classmates, acquaintances, and friends emigrated to Israel after the collapse of the USSR. Before they repatriated to Israel, none of them knew they were Jewish. But now, all of them—100%—are certain they know which tribe they come from.

Regulators and contenders of the true faith .......................MOUNT UP
the whore is flooding into all realms now and her flood of deluison t akes them captive to the lie .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Do not give in to the delusion my friend . We must now all double and triple down
in the simple reading of the scriptures . stay reminded , stay alert , be stirred up by those simple reminders .
The ol WHORE and her co workers , the powers of darkness and dark love take no time off
to deceive and to allure all to the lie .
We make our last stand now or fall with the rest .
This false solution will take any and all not in the lambs book of life .
DOUBLE down now . return to the daily reading and enjoying of the scriptures and be in prayer .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Regulators and contenders of the true faith .......................MOUNT UP
the whore is flooding into all realms now and her flood of deluison t akes them captive to the lie .

Regulators and contenders of the true faith .......................MOUNT UP
the whore is flooding into all realms now and her flood of deluison t akes them captive to the lie .

@amigo de christo

 

[Behold]

For example, @Behold accused me of wanting to beat him up.

You were talking specifically to me about wanting to "punch someone in the face"......so, i told you that this is easy for you to say, "hiding behind your laptop screen".

 

[soberxp]

I am just curious why Israel, which God once led, has become what it is now. Is it because a loving father often spoils his children? Can only a stern father raise excellent children?

Sometimes I cannot understand many things. God does not discipline all people, but commands us to discipline and proclaim the Gospel. Yet we ourselves may not do this well and still have flaws—how then can we discipline others?

 

[Behold]

I am just curious why Israel, which God once led, has become what it is now.

People, Jews or Gentiles, love to have their own way, and this always leads to sorrow.

Free Will is a dangerous thing in the mind of a sinner.
It'll ruin your life....

How many people who are over 40, have had this thought....

"if only i had not done that"....... "if only i had not CHOSEN to do that"....

A.) Everyone

 

[soberxp]

People, Jews or Gentiles, love to have their own way, and this always leads to sorrow.

Free Will is a dangerous thing in the mind of a sinner.
It'll ruin your life....

How many people who are over 40, have had this thought....

"if only i had not done that"....... "if only i had not CHOSEN to do that"....

A.) Everyone

I do not want to consider things from the perspective of sin. I have always believed that the marriage established by God is sacred, and it is meant to lead us to consider certain matters from a father’s standpoint—such as when children are disobedient to you, when they are rebellious, and many other issues like these. This continues until you fully understand God’s perspective on things and comprehend His love and severity. However, it is hard for me to imagine God, like a human father, loving good children and detesting bad ones.


I don't want everything to be in my imagination. Although Jesus Christ is the image of God, there are many things I don't know for sure.