Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Ronald Nolette]

The Catholic church is the only church with any chance of traffic it's history back to the apostle. The garbage you people spread around has only been around since the 1500s. Your history traces back to Luther,the looney little monk.

ACtually mine doesn't trace back to Luther!

But Rome made its own link though it veered from the truths taught by the Apostles.

 

[nedsk]

ACtually mine doesn't trace back to Luther!

But Rome made its own link though it veered from the truths taught by the Apostles.

Oh really? So to a guy named Bob then?

Is that what Bob told you? The only church that existed was the Catholic Church for 1500 years.

 

[GodsGrace]

Don't talk down to Christians. It makes you look bad.

Believe what you will
The word is clear. I can't lead you to understanding

You're unable to explain a conflict YOU have created with incorrect understanding.
You are unable to provide any scripture to support your position.

You say I speak down to Christians when I'm trying to bring your attention to something...

and THEN proceed to state that you cannot lead me to understanding.

Interesting goings on.

 

[nedsk]

You're unable to explain a conflict YOU have created with incorrect understanding.
You are unable to provide any scripture to support your position.

You say I speak down to Christians when I'm trying to bring your attention to something...

and THEN proceed to state that you cannot lead me to understanding.

Interesting goings on.

Exactly! It's the arrogance that's most unsightly

 

[KUWN]

The oldest protestant tactic in the book, volume of content. That's why you asked for 2 passages but I gave you only 3 of the many then you unload a truck load of content think that makes a compelling point. It's doesn't. I didn't read any of it as you were given what you asked and the proceeded to try and tell me what it "really" means. Either the words mean what the words mean or they mean what you say they mean. You people are predictable

Good scholarly response. you have just demonstrated why you are a babe in Christ. I think i will ignore you from now on. You are not trained in Theology. I don't mean to belittle you, but you appear to be in this discussion unarmed. Best of luck to you.

 

[KUWN]

You are the one who remains clueless.

another scholarly response.

 

[mailmandan]

another scholarly response.

Just a fed up response. Are you looking for a scholarly discussion?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

L

You're unable to explain a conflict YOU have created with incorrect understanding.
You are unable to provide any scripture to support your position.

You say I speak down to Christians when I'm trying to bring your attention to something...

and THEN proceed to state that you cannot lead me to understanding.

Interesting goings on.

You refuse to accept the scriptures. That doesn't mean I failed to prove my point.


Your name should indicate you know the word.But you don't.
It's simple.

Jesus is God.
Salvation is a seal. Eternal and irrevocable by either party. God or us.

That's good news.
You'll not dissuade those who are his with false doctrine.

There's nothing else to say to you.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Good scholarly response. you have just demonstrated why you are a babe in Christ. I think i will ignore you from now on. You are not trained in Theology. I don't mean to belittle you, but you appear to be in this discussion unarmed. Best of luck to you.

I dare say there are no true scholars here.

 

[mailmandan]

You refuse to accept the scriptures. That doesn't mean I failed to prove my point.

Your name should indicate you know the word.But you don't.
It's simple.

Jesus is God.
Salvation is a seal. Eternal and irrevocable by either party. God or us.

That's good news.
You'll not dissuade those who are his with false doctrine.

There's nothing else to say to you.

Time to shake the dust off your shoes and move on? I know the feeling.

 

[nedsk]

Good scholarly response. you have just demonstrated why you are a babe in Christ. I think i will ignore you from now on. You are not trained in Theology. I don't mean to belittle you, but you appear to be in this discussion unarmed. Best of luck to you.

i don't blame you for running. I would too if I was you but I'm not. I've asked you simple questions and you can't answer. I get it. I don't mean to belittle you but whatever theological training you think you have, it gave you a phd attitude with kindergarten skills.

As to being a babe in Christ thank you for the compliment.

Amen, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.

 

[nedsk]

I dare say there are no true scholars here.

I agree

 

[nedsk]

L

You refuse to accept the scriptures. That doesn't mean I failed to prove my point.


Your name should indicate you know the word.But you don't.
It's simple.

Jesus is God.
Salvation is a seal. Eternal and irrevocable by either party. God or us.

That's good news.
You'll not dissuade those who are his with false doctrine.

There's nothing else to say to you.

So its irrevocable by either party? God loves us so much he will make us stay with him even if we don't want to. Hmmm. You have a strange picture of what love is. I hope you aren't married.

 

[nedsk]

Time to shake the dust off your shoes and move on? I know the feeling.

You folks REALLY don't like being challenged do you? Anyone who disagrees with you is not "scholar" like you right? If they were they would think just like you, right? There isnt any possible way you could completely wrong is there? It's hilarious to watch you people.

 

[GodsGrace]

L

You refuse to accept the scriptures. That doesn't mean I failed to prove my point.


Your name should indicate you know the word.But you don't.
It's simple.

Jesus is God.
Salvation is a seal. Eternal and irrevocable by either party. God or us.

That's good news.
You'll not dissuade those who are his with false doctrine.

There's nothing else to say to you.

Seems to me that you are the one that refuses to accept scripture.
I've posted several to which you have NOT responded.

You believe false doctrine.
Here is more on what the NT teaches on the necessity to keep the faith, not fall away, endure to the end.


Hebrews 3:14
14 For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,


Hebrews 10:26
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,


Romans 11:20-22
20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited *, but fear;
21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either.
22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you
continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.


2 Peter 2:20
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.


Matthew 5:13
13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt has become tasteless, how * can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot by men.


1 Corinthians 9:27
27 but I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that, after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.


2 Peter 3:17
17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so * that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,


Matthew 24:10-11
10 "At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.
11 "Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.


1 Timothy 4:1
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,


There are many more. The above should be enough to give one pause.
But Paul said it very clearly in 1 Timothy 4.1

 

[GodsGrace]

Time to shake the dust off your shoes and move on? I know the feeling.

Never time to move on.
The topic is too important.

 

[mailmandan]

You folks REALLY don't like being challenged do you? Anyone who disagrees with you is not "scholar" like you right? If they were they would think just like you, right? There isnt any possible way you could completely wrong is there? It's hilarious to watch you people.

Don't flatter yourself. I've been challenged numerous times over several years on various Christian forum sites. Now I don't claim to be a scholar and I don't claim to be infallible. Have you ever considered that you might be wrong? Glad to see you are entertained by us people. I'm not entertained by those who promote a works-based false gospel.

 

[mailmandan]

Never time to move on.
The topic is too important.

Does the Bible tell us to keep arguing with people who disagree with us until the cows come home then argue with them some more? The topic is critically important, but you cannot force people to agree with you no matter how many times that you beat them over the head with what you believe scripture teaches. For certain folks, these discussions seem to be more about a silly game of battle of the wits (that they find entertaining) than they are about seriously reasoning through the scriptures with an open heart.

 

[GodsGrace]

Does the Bible tell us to keep arguing with people who disagree with us until the cows come home then argue with them some more? The topic is critically important but you cannot force people to agree with you no matter how many times that you beat them over the head with what you scripture teaches. For certain folks, these discussions seem to be more about a silly game of battle of the wits (that they find entertaining) than they are about seriously reasoning through the scriptures with an open heart.

I believe my posts are very serious.
And YOU are not the only person reading my posts.

You can post all the incorrect information you see fit to...
I will be countering for those reading along.

This is what the bible tells us:

James 5:19-20
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Please note:
Verse 19 makes is clear that a believer can stray from the truth.

Verse 20 makes it clear that he becomes a sinner and the one bringing him back to the truth
will SAVE HIS SOUL.

This is why I say that this is an important topic.

A believer CAN STRAY...
become lost again...
and be needful to RETURN TO GOD (the truth).

 

[mailmandan]

I believe my posts are very serious.
And YOU are not the only person reading my posts.

You can post all the incorrect information you see fit to...
I will be countering for those reading along.

This is what the bible tells us:

James 5:19-20
19 My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

Please note:
Verse 19 makes is clear that a believer can stray from the truth.

Verse 20 makes it clear that he becomes a sinner and the one bringing him back to the truth
will SAVE HIS SOUL.

This is why I say that this is an important topic.

A believer CAN STRAY...
become lost again...
and be needful to RETURN TO GOD (the truth).

Why is it always the one's who promote salvation by works who are the most obsessed with this topic? It's these folks who seem to suffer from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

In regard to James 5:19-20, notice - Brethren, if anyone "among" you wanders from the truth..turns a "sinner" from the error of his way.. Some would argue that James says this one who turned from the truth was a "sinner," and was "among" but "not of" the Brethren, then he wasn’t previously saved. That fits 1 John 2:19 - They went out "from" us, but they were "not of" us..

IF this person was a genuine believer, yet how do we know for sure this is the second death in the lake of fire? In Matthew 26:38, Jesus said: "My soul [psuche] is deeply grieved, to the point of death." Jesus was not saying that His soul was deeply grieved to the point of spiritual death, Rather, Jesus was talking about physical death, his human life. In Revelation 16:3, "The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood like that of a dead man; and every living soul [psuche] in the sea died". In 1 Peter 3:20 "... God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, [psuche-souls] were brought safely (saved from drowning, physical death) through the water" by the ark. (Hebrews 11:7) "Soul" is rendered from the Greek word "psuche" and is also translated as "life".

Jesus covered our sins in one way (Romans 4:7) by bringing forgiveness for all believers, yet sins can also be covered in a different way. In Proverbs 10:12, we read: Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all sins. In 1 Peter 4:8, we read: And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins." Where there is strife, there is hatred and unless love prevails, the strife will get worse. Love covers offenses and sins when a believer turns back from error.

So is this wanderer a professing Christian, whose faith is not genuine, or a sinning Christian, who needs to be restored? For the former, the death spoken of in vs. 20 is the "second death" (Revelation 21:8); for the latter, it is physical death. (1 Corinthians 11:29-32; 1 John 5:16)