Is it possible to lose salvation?

[ProverbsInPink]

Just as the Father rejoices whenever WE return in repentance.

The point is that the son rejected the Father, his home and his legacy.
The idea that we can’t reject God because we’re Christians is unbiblical.

I think you're missing the point.

We can reject God but God doesn't reject us.
That's the parable of the prodigal son in a nutshell.

 

[GodsGrace]

My explanations have not failed. You simply failed to understand.

That is truly so humble of you.
Your explanations FAIL because they are not biblically based but based on some kind of logic that YOU make up as you go.

For the record, I'm not someone who attaches "a license for immortality" to OSAS which I believe you realize. OSAS is only a teaching from hell when someone attaches a license to sin with it.

This is sweet.
Good for you!
How about those that are not as nice as you are?
You're helping THEM go straight to the other place since nothing unpure will get into heaven.

You are STILL teaching a heretical doctrine.
It's heretical because it never was part of mainstream Christianity.
It's a NEW teaching...never was part of the church till the Reformation.
This should tell you something, but, for some reason, it's an uncomfortable idea...
this idea that salvation can be lost.

Just like NOSAS is a teaching from hell when someone attaches salvation by works with it.

Huh?
Salvation by works is a teaching from hell?

I'd love to see some scripture stating that works are not necessary...
stating that our behavior is not necessary.

Guess what?
You won't find any because our behavior is pivotle into our making it to heaven.
It's all Paul and Jesus spoke of.

And when it's posted you salad talk your way out of it because it SCARES you for some reason.

I'm not playing games with the souls of anyone. I clearly preach the gospel (Acts 15:7-9; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Ephesians 1:13) and not a works based false gospel.

Works really DO scare you, don't they?

You are preaching a false gospel.
Every one of those letters you posted above (you never do actually post scripture BTW, you just don't know how)....
speak about HOW WE ARE TO BEHAVE.

Read them again.

(Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) I also do not promote a license for immortality and I actually prefer the terms "eternal security of the believer" (Ephesians 1:13-14) or "preservation of the saints" (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) over the term OSAS.

I believe in eternal security too.
For as long as I
BELIEVE
HAVE FAITH
FOLLOW JESUS' COMMANDS

And if I do NOT....
I'll be in the same state as before.

Faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone for salvation does not fail.

HOW does one RIGHTLY understand faith?
You've now made up a definiton for faith that is also new?

Christians know what faith is.

(Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..). Now in regard to Romans 13:8-10, these commands are summed up in "love your neighbor as ourself." This is what we are saved FOR and not by. We are not saved by faith + our best efforts to love our neighbor as ourself, which culminates in salvation by works.

We are saved BY what Jesus taught.

You are not teaching what Jesus taught.

Here's what Jesus taught:

Matthew 25:40-46
40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'

41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;

43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'

44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did
we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'

45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'

46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."


Jesus said that He wants us to pick up our cross daily and follow Him.


Now go look for some verses that clearly state the opposite of the above...
that clearly state that Jesus has done everything for us and we are not required to do anything or behave in any paricular way.

You won't find them because they do not exist.
Paul and Jesus taught behavior.....

BELIEVE
BEHAVE

FOR salvation.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think you're missing the point.

We can reject God but God doesn't reject us.
That's the parable of the prodigal son in a nutshell.

LOL

You really need to read The Prodigal Son again.

And I hope @mailmandan notices your post.
So much nonsense going on in the Christian faith these days.
Get this Dan....
we can reject God

but no matter,

He can't reject us.

Keep up the good work - yeah.

I'll let Bread handle her....since the post was to him.
@BreadOfLife

 

[ProverbsInPink]

LOL

You really need to read The Prodigal Son again.

And I hope @mailmandan notices your post.
So much nonsense going on in the Christian faith these days.
Get this Dan....
we can reject God

but no matter,

He can't reject us.

Keep up the good work - yeah.

I'll let Bread handle her....since the post was to him.
@BreadOfLife

You're such a snarky fool.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I think you're missing the point.
We can reject God but God doesn't reject us.
That's the parable of the prodigal son in a nutshell.

What point?
The idea that WE can reject God has been my position all along.

And I never said that God rejects us.

 

[mailmandan]

You're such a snarky fool.

Snarky sums it up which makes it impossible to have a rational, productive discussion with her.

 

[Christian Soldier]

The true gospel is highly offensive to unbelievers/make believers because they receive no credit for salvation. All the credit goes to Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Most professing Christians don't believe that God is sovereign, over every aspect of His creation. They find this Bible doctrine, unacceptable, because they believe that everyone has a "free will" and everyone can freely chose to believe the gospel of reject it.

All of my family and relatives are Roman Catholic, none of them accept the doctrine of election and predestination to salvation. This doctrine is a major stumbling block for most professing Christians, I also rejected this doctrine, when I first heard it being preached during a service, which a friend invited me to when I was around 20 years of age.

During the sermon the preacher read verses which spoke about the state of the unconverted person. He described the natural man as being incapable of accepting the gospel. I'm pretty sure he referred to the same verse you did above; Corinthians 1:18 He kept making eye contact with me during the service and that made me very uncomfortable. It was as if he could sense that I didn't accept what he was preaching.

He did approach me after the service and after the formalities, he asked me about my background and I told him that I was raised a Roam Catholic and that I'd never heard a sermon like that. I told him that I didn't believe that man is as depraved as he claimed. I mentioned "Pius people", who are devout Catholics and they live a very strict an disciplined life. I told him that God must give them some credit for their good deeds and effort to live clean lives.

The preacher realised that I had never heard the true gospel before, he told me that those who are not truly converted may live clean lives outwardly, but they have the seeds of corruption in their hearts and those seeds will eventually show their ugly fruits.

Long story short, it still took me about a year to let go of all the false doctrines, I was taught growing up, and simply trust in the Lord Jesus and His Holy Spirit, to lead me into all truth.
I thank God, I no longer need to wrestle with the demons. I'm free to enjoy God without needing to scrutinize, evaluate, judge and approve everything He does.
To be free in Christ is to unload our burden on Him and allow His Holy Spirit to lead us.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

the Bible mentions that she had other children: four sons; James, Joses, Simon, and Judas and also some daughters (Matthew 13:55–56; Mark 6:3).

The catholics probably think Mary and Joseph adopted their other children

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This should tell you something, but, for some reason, it's an uncomfortable idea...

He's stuck because it would hurt his pride to admit that eternal security if false doctrine not supported by scripture.

So he has to keep the scam going like a good cult member would

Jesus did tell us to follow him, that includes works, many think and teach that only faith and belief saves you

They deny the teachings of Jesus by claiming Jesus was teaching the law of Moses to the Jews claiming what Jesus taught is not part of the New Covenant.

So they are actually denying the Lord and are too slow to know it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're such a snarky fool.

Ummm, aren't YOU the one who said in post #3717:
"Don't talk down to Christians. It makes you look bad."

Here's lookin at YOU, kid . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Ummm, aren't YOU the one who said in post #3717:
"Don't talk down to Christians. It makes you look bad."

That doesn't apply when talking to the catholics because they aren't Christians

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Ummm, aren't YOU the one who said in post #3717:
"Don't talk down to Christians. It makes you look bad."

Here's lookin at YOU, kid . . .

Not at all kid.i wasn't talking down to them. I was calling out their fallen behavior.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

That doesn't apply when talking to the catholics because they aren't Christians View attachment 72815

That's a valid point.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I didnt claim he was the bishop of rome. Peter was the supreme leader of the church established by Christ. There was no roman Catholic Church because the church was divided then. That didn't happen until 1054. So nice try.

Why speak to it?! It's irrelevant the topic, can you lose your salvation

Well I am glad you are back to the OP. And no one cannot lose their salvation.
As jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There is no evidence Mary remained a virgin. Mary’s first child was Jesus, as Luke 2:7 says. After Him, the Bible mentions that she had other children: four sons; James, Joses, Simon, and Judas and also some daughters (Matthew 13:55–56; Mark 6:3). These verses show that Mary was a mother to a family after Jesus. The Bible does not say she remained a virgin for her whole life; that idea comes from later church tradition, not from Scripture. So according to the Bible, Mary was the mother of Jesus and also of other children, and she shared in family life like any other mother. But scripture is clear, Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to our Lord Jesus.

I know all this and have argued for it. but at the request of someone not on these threads, I received and read the book "Behold your MOther." It is a defense of the four main MArian dogmas. it is filled with suppositions, philosophical musings and horrendous exegesis and hermeneutics. The hypotheses for Mary are based on philosophy and not Scripture. Some even say it is bringing into teh church the Isis/Osirus and Egyptian mythologies.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Not at all kid.i wasn't talking down to them. I was calling out their fallen behavior.

As I did YOURS . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That doesn't apply when talking to the catholics because they aren't Christians View attachment 72815

That's hilarious.
YOU wouldn't even know who Jesus was - or had a Bible had it NOT been for the Catholic Church . . .

 

[ProverbsInPink]

As I did YOURS . . .

No.

 

[GodsGrace]

He's stuck because it would hurt his pride to admit that eternal security if false doctrine not supported by scripture.

So he has to keep the scam going like a good cult member would




They deny the teachings of Jesus by claiming Jesus was teaching the law of Moses to the Jews claiming what Jesus taught is not part of the New Covenant.

So they are actually denying the Lord and are too slow to know it.

Great observation....
of course Paul was speaking about the Law...THE LAW.
Guess some don't know that the LAW was abolished 2 thousand years ago.
(but not the moral law).

I would also say that all Christians believe that only faith saves.
What some don't like is what comes AFTER salvation...
and that is obedience to God.
And obedience includes the good works that Jesus taught us to do.

Any other belief system is a different gospel and not what Jesus or any of the writers taught.

 

[GodsGrace]

That doesn't apply when talking to the catholics because they aren't Christians View attachment 72815

LOL
If it wasn't for the Catholic church, you'd have no bible and would probably be speaking Arabic.
In fact, most definitely.

Also, please remember what defines a Christian:
Belief that Jesus is God.
Belief in the Trinity.
Belief that Jesus died and rose again.

These are the main tenets of the Christian religion.
Catholics believe all of the above.

Misrepresenting a denomination is of no help to Christianity.