Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the Lord.
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Marvelloustime
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Amen brother. And it is being unequally yoked that is causing many within Christendom to fall. Many evangelicals are being unequally yoked with Catholics through politics these days. There doesn't seem to be any distinguishing between the two...Catholics are accepted as legitimate Christians by born again evangelicals and they are all linking arms/yoking together/unifying in the realm of politics. Mixing "religion" with politics, the holy with the profane. It is so deceptive and is a falling away/apostasy in itself which causes the Holy Spirit to depart. The building or rebuilding of an unholy temple.
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amigo de christo
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as with every Lovely GOD inspired word there was reason it was recorded in said bible .
it should have been embraced , beleived and loved .
For the words of GOD worketh good to the hearer and the doer .
So now allow this reminder to be said , typed and seen .
BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE HOPE BE IN THE LORD
CURSED be the man whose hopes were in men .
AND GOD darn sure said , as did later the apostels quoate it .
DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER .
This people will surely fall sister . Nothing good cometh upon a peoples
or a nation , or nations , OR YES EVEN CHURCHES
who fail to heed GOD but rather continue to only get worse and preach more and more rebellion
towards GOD .
The saying goes IF MY PEOPLE who are called by MY NAME would repent
today i am afraid its b ecome if my people who are called by name WOULD STOP JUDGING
WE got a problem sister . a bad one .
SOMEONE has been behind this mixture all along . and that SOMEONE is not GOD .
He pumps just enough twisted truths TO DECIEVE this people as HE did eve .
Have ya guessed his name yet . This people has no idea what spirit they do heed .
But had they eyes to see and ears to hear
had they actually had the love of truth , OF GOD upon their hearts .
had they actually been reading the scriptures and embracing what is written
OH they had seen we gots us a twister of words in the house and that this one
knows how to twist and to decieve and that one is NO a one any SHOULD FOLLOW .
amigo de christo
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That is and shall be their own ruin .
notice what it is they have in common again .
notice what is the focus . THE WORDLY .
politics , agendas , so c alled good cuases
and yet IT HAS INDEED yoked them up with the wrong .
You see people whose hopes are in the earthen
WILL HEED one who offers them a way TO ATTAIN this .
But he or she whose HOPES be IN THE HEAVENLY
Will HEED THE HEAVENLY , NOT THE EARTHERN KINGS and peoples of this world and its solution .
WHERE is their heart .
IS IT HEAVENLY , or is it earthern . But know this , IT CANT BE BOTH . the mix is always deceptive
as it cometh claoked with truths twisted .
WHERE is ones hope . IS IT IN GOD , HIS CHRIST , THE HEAVENLY
or is it in another god , his etc , the earthen . cause again it cannot be both .
CURSED is the man whose hope be in man .
OUR KINGDOM aint here sister , ITS ABOVE and by the SPIRIT is within the sheep .
WE await a HEAVENLY country
sadly many await ONLY A BIG FAT EARTHERN ONE by which they beleive ushers in peace unto this world . bad news for the latter .
amigo de christo
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rather odd that men who preach this so called healing the wound
sure have captivated many already as they wonder after its many path solution .
Kings and presidents , churches and imams and buddists and even many jews
Now merge under this believing in what the very one who brought us this healing the wound
and also said THAT ALL RELIGOINS be serving the same GOD .
What is the fastest growing religion , IT IS THE ALL INCLUSIVE HEALING THE WOUND merger .
And yet man did it preach an anti christ message to them lost religoins
and man does it preach the lie and calls it the SOLUTION to bring PEACE ON EARTH .
and the last time i checked JESUS never came to do so
BUT another sure does . THIS IS ALL A SET UP sister . a s trong delusion to beleive a lie .
It's very sad that when I try to point out that the ills plaguing western society now are essentially the church's fault, that God is judging, and bring that scripture about God's people humbling ourselves and repenting of our wicked ways, people in the political crowd mock as if that is no solution at all. And I realized it's because they have no faith...no faith in God and His word, that He would actually do as He promises. They have faith in the politics of this world instead. It reminds me of Jesus saying when He comes will He find FAITH on the earth - He is talking about His own people, because of falling away.
You claim you have “no problem” with 2 Chronicles 19:2 but insist it applies only to kings like Jehoshaphat forming military alliances with the wicked, like Ahab, and not to individuals like us today. This is a weak excuse to avoid answering. The question—Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?—is not confined to kings or ancient alliances. It’s a precedent, like in common law, where a case sets a principle for all similar situations. In 2 Chronicles 19:2, the prophet Jehu rebukes Jehoshaphat for aiding the ungodly and loving those who hate God, and the principle applies universally. Are you seriously suggesting that only King Jehoshaphat was forbidden from helping the wicked, while the rest of us are free to do so? That’s absurd. Scripture doesn’t limit its moral commands to kings—God’s standards apply to all believers. Psalm 119:160: “The entirety of Your word is truth, and every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever.” Every Christian faces moments where they must decide: Should I help the wicked or love those who reject God? This question is for all of us, not just royalty.
Moreover, this thread’s question has a specific application: it challenges Christian Zionists who support modern Israel and Talmudic Jews in their pursuit to build the Third Temple. Talmudic Judaism, as seen in texts like Sanhedrin 43a and 107b, blasphemes Christ, calling Him a sorcerer and worse. These are people who reject and hate the Lord Jesus, yet some Christians, like Lizbeth, defend them while demonizing fellow Christians, like Catholics. By dodging the question and limiting it to “kings,” you’re sidestepping the real issue: Should Christians help those who actively oppose Christ, like Talmudic Jews pushing for a temple that denies the Messiah? Answer directly: Should we, as believers, help such wicked and love those who hate the Lord, or not?
You keep citing 1 Corinthians 5:9–13, saying the wicked should be “put away” from the church, and you clarified that Paul meant “brothers” who are fornicators, idolaters, or railers, not outsiders. Fine, but why bring this up in this thread? Lizbeth used 1 Corinthians 5:13 to justify her hypocrisy—she openly admits to demonizing the Catholic Church, calling it “evil” and “of another spirit” (not of God), which is a direct blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, as the Catholic Church confesses Christ and His divinity. She claims this verse gives her the moral right to judge and expel an entire Christian denomination as satanic. That’s not what Paul meant—his instruction was about specific, unrepentant sinners within the church, not blanket condemnation of millions of Christians.
So why are you echoing citation of 1 Corinthians 5:13? If you’re not supporting Lizbeth’s blasphemy, then what’s your point? The thread’s question—Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?—is about dealing with outsiders, like Talmudic Jews who blaspheme Christ, not about church discipline. Your reference to Paul’s words about expelling the wicked from the church is irrelevant here. Are you implying that the Catholic Church, as a whole, is the “wicked” to be expelled? If not, who are you talking about? Name them. Why cite a verse about internal church discipline in a discussion about helping external enemies of Christ? Your insistence on this verse feels like a deliberate detour to avoid the topic.
I asked you directly: “Do you also believe the Catholic Church is led by a satanic spirit?” Instead of answering yes or no, you called it a “dead church” like Sardis (Revelation 3:1–6), claiming Jesus Himself said Sardis was dead but had a few faithful. You say you won’t make “reckless blanket statements” about the Spirit in the Catholic Church because it might blaspheme those who serve Christ within it.
What makes you call the Catholic Church “dead”? Where’s your evidence? Jesus warned Sardis for having a name of being alive but being dead due to incomplete works (Revelation 3:1–2), yet He never called them satanic or expelled them entirely—He called them to repent. The Catholic Church confesses Christ’s divinity, His resurrection, and the Trinity. Do you have proof of their “deadness” beyond your feelings? If you’re not planning to “expel” Catholics, as you claim, why cite 1 Corinthians 5:13 in this context? Is it to subtly align with Lizbeth’s condemnation without saying it outright? Your refusal to clarify which doctrines you reject or why you label them “dead” makes your position indistinguishable from amigo de christo's empty accusations.
Your replies, breaking my text into quotes, only mask your refusal to engage. You accuse me of “trolling” with a “one-verse wonder,” but I’m asking a clear question rooted in Scripture, while you drown the discussion in tangents.
You skillfully “demonize” the Catholic Church, engaging in blatant smear campaigns, conjuring up such monstrous accusations from nothing that you could frame an innocent book club as a criminal terrorist group with those tactics.
Yet, when it comes to Talmudic Jews and the secular state of Israel—who, by your own methods, could be depicted as devils incarnate—you speak with reverence and piety: “we as Christians should have love for the Jews and not sit in judgment over them.”
Woe to you, hypocrites!
“Blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”
I hear you perfectly: you openly express hatred for Christians while professing love for Talmudic Jews.
You slander the Catholic Church and blaspheme the Holy Spirit, just as they blaspheme Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary.
You’re strikingly similar to them.
No, it does not necessesarily just belong to Kings, the context itself of the help there is shown in the forming the alliances as far as the wicked go there and for us (in the church) Paul says put them out.
If it was an actual excuse at all
Nice em dashes, if someone is wicked and doing this for example, John says
2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed
If you do John says
2 John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
As Peter says,
1 Peter 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
Where have I suggested this?
Now when you say, " Are you seriously suggesting... and then answer the above... "That's absurd"
I see what you did there, should I start breaking your texts again?
Let me try my "em dash maker" maybe one AI to another, we can get it going on over here
The rebuke delivered by Jehu, the son of Hanani, to King Jehoshaphat—“Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the Lord?”—highlights a critical distinction between loving enemies and forming alliances with the wicked.
While Christians are commanded to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them (Matthew 5:44), this does not imply endorsing or participating in the evil actions of those who oppose God. The biblical principle is that believers should not be "mismatched with unbelievers" or form partnerships that compromise their faith, especially when such alliances support or enable ungodly behavior.
Jehoshaphat’s alliance with Ahab, a known enemy of God, involved participating in a battle that a true prophet, Micaiah, warned would result in Ahab’s death and divine judgment.
This partnership forced Jehoshaphat to compromise his integrity by aiding a wicked king, supporting idolatry, and even participating in the persecution of a true prophet.
The rebuke underscores that while love for enemies is a spiritual duty, it does not require collaboration in sin or the endorsement of evil systems. The difference lies in the intent and outcome: loving enemies means seeking their good and praying for them, not aligning with them in actions that oppose God’s will.
Right but you did not want to look at the other parts of scripture I was bringing in.
Thats why I used up close and personal instances in the church that you appeared to reject.
I was inclusive and not limiting at all. I was adressing the context of the help of the wicked shown between the Kings and the wicked in the context of the Churches as far as application.
You just wanted to remain on the Kings part and go for the gold when it come to the issue of support or non support of Israel.
What exactly constitutes support from the people for these wars?
In the U.S you have no choice where your taxes go in support anything, its law to pay them (Give to Ceasar) which help to pay for foreign wars. And if we don't pay taxes we get both Jesus (who said to) and Ceasar (who collects them) angry at us.
So how do you make Jehu's predicament for the kings of the earth today (along with its people) in that context back (here and now).
But isn’t it Lizbeth who truly treads on dangerous ground with her grandiose and blasphemous claim that “the spirit ruling the Catholic Church is not the Holy Spirit” but a “spirit of Babel/Babylon,” clearly implying a satanic force?
She slanders a church that confesses Christ’s divinity, risking the unforgivable sin (Matthew 12:31).
Yet you turn a blind eye, chiding me for calling out her hypocrisy instead.
That’s not just hypocrisy—it’s a masterclass in selective judgment!
She didn't accuse you of the unforgivable sin. In fact, she made no personal criticism of you at all. Yet you took gleeful enjoyment of damning her soul because you don't like it when someone criticizes the RCC. You are like a foaming at the mouth Pharisee accusing others of hypocrisy when you have a beam in your own eye. Where is the love? Where is the grace? Where is the mercy?
As you stated, " Every Christian faces moments where they must decide: Should I help the wicked or love those who reject God? This question is for all of us, not just royalty.
Quoting 1 Corinth shows us the context of the wicked every Christian faces WHERE THEY must decide, no?
Because its there to cite
Again, to quote you " Every Christian faces moments where they must decide: Should I help the wicked or love those who reject God? This question is for all of us, not just royalty.
You mean who was Paul was implying was wicked, he tells us in the verses itself
1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Is that one bothering you? Because I did not underline it earlier, I am curious over your hostility towards it
Sorry it feels that way to you, I'm sure Paul did not write it to tick you off.
Feel free to quote me.
How can I expell a catholic when I do not go to a catholic church, I dont really know how you are spinning this catholic nonsense around in your head, I started there as catholic but none of the family ever received much of understanding in it. I left it and pursue understanding.
Proverbs 9:6 Forsake the foolish, and live;
and go in the way of understanding.
Proverbs 21:16 The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding
shall remain in the congregation of the dead.
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;
These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars;
I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments;
and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
You perform as one testing back and forth communications using AI Gish Galloping my replies intermingled with your understanding into the reply boxes?
Tangents, have you heard yourself?
Your logic is twisted—you imply I can only accuse Lizbeth of what she accuses me of, as if I’m barred from calling out her blasphemy unless she throws the same charge at me. That’s absurd reasoning that silences truth. You claim Lizbeth “made no personal criticism” of me. Flat-out wrong. She’s been relentlessly attacking me, calling me hateful, antisemitic, and spiritually blind. Yet you ignore her personal jabs while accusing me of “gleeful enjoyment” in damning her soul. Talk about a beam in your own eye.
Lizbeth openly declared her “blasphemous claim that ‘the spirit ruling the Catholic Church is not the Holy Spirit’ but a ‘spirit of Babel/Babylon,’ clearly implying a satanic force.”
She admitted to demonizing the Catholic Church and never denied it.
Slandering a church that confesses Christ as led by Satan risks the unforgivable sin (Matthew 12:31), yet you defend her and attack me for exposing it.
Where’s your rebuke for her reckless words? Instead, you call me a “foaming at the mouth Pharisee.”
Let me turn your question back on you and Lizbeth: Where is the love? Where is the grace? Where is the mercy?
You have no clue about logic, debate or even common courtesy. If there was ever a person who fit this model it is you:
Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics  |
In short, I’m exhausted from debating this “love your enemies” question with everyone in this thread. It seems like every topic and every person here keeps bringing it up. Yet none of them have a clue what they’re talking about when they say “love your enemies.” Read posts #184 and #185–187.
And the thread:
"Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands"
You Shall Not Murder. (Exod. 20:13) This prohibition does not apply to every form of killing. This is already evident from the Mosaic Law itself. For the violation of about 20 laws, the death penalty is prescribed. Additionally, one can recall the wars that Israel waged with the blessing of...
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See post #656In short, I’m exhausted from debating this “love your enemies” question with everyone in this thread. It seems like every topic and every person here keeps bringing it up. Yet none of them have a clue what they’re talking about when they say “love your enemies.” Read posts #184 and #185–187.
And the thread:
"Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands"
You Shall Not Murder. (Exod. 20:13) This prohibition does not apply to every form of killing. This is already evident from the Mosaic Law itself. For the violation of about 20 laws, the death penalty is prescribed. Additionally, one can recall the wars that Israel waged with the blessing of...
Honestly, I read up to the part where you write: While Christians are commanded to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them (Matthew 5:44), and I stopped there.
I realized that every conversation, in every thread, with every person here eventually boils down to one phrase: “love your enemies.”
Then I provide links to posts and the thread, and my posts and thread are just blatantly ignored, while the absurd talk about “love” and “loving enemies” continues.
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