Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

[Ronald David Bruno]

You’ve provided zero proof that modern Israelis are descendants of the 10 lost tribes of the northern kingdom. No DNA, no archaeological records, no historical documents—nothing

You rely on science to interpret scripture?
Where in the Bible does God tell you to do that? You're leaning on your understanding and hold too much pride in your intellect. Where is the Holy Spirit Chrysotomos? Were you baptized by Him? He gives us all truth. Scientists like Richard Dawkins would tell you our DNA is close to 98% of a chimpanzee. Brilliant. Stephen Hawkings was another brilliant loser.

You’re doubling down on deflections, accusing me of antisemitism and “missing” your points, while dragging this into another Bible verse rabbit hole.

Scriptures aren't deflections. And hatred blinds people from truth and that is your fundamental thrust in all this. It motivates you, it's your heart felt reason and plight.

You’re stuck in a loop

It's funny how you put that. I'm in Christ, born again ... that's in the loop.

Let’s be clear: you’re dodging the core issue.

In political wars as we see today (that reflect many of our religious views), the Liberals always accuse the Conservatives of doing and being guilty of exactly the things that they do. The "Antifa"" label themselves as anti-fascist, when that's opposite of who they are -- they are fascists! You were recently crying about masses amounts of children being slaughtered and genocide in Gaza, yet the Liberals marching and protesting against Israel are the same Pro-choice group, responsible for aborting ( murdering) 60 million babies since 1974 just in the USA.

Check yourself, look in the mirror ... I think it has been a long time since you've examined yourself.

Again, and God tells all this, He's not deflecting, He is telling you too:
"I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” Gen. 12:3
Get ready ... it's coming!

The world is certainly taking sides ...

https://www.jns.org/what-made-a-mamdani-win-possible-demography-and-normalizing-antisemitism/

 

[Chrysostomos]

You rely on science to interpret scripture?
Where in the Bible does God tell you to do that? You're leaning on your understanding and hold too much pride in your intellect. Where is the Holy Spirit Chrysotomos? Were you baptized by Him? He gives us all truth. Scientists like Richard Dawkins would tell you our DNA is close to 98% of a chimpanzee. Brilliant. Stephen Hawkings was another brilliant loser.


Scriptures aren't deflections. And hatred blinds people from truth and that is your fundamental thrust in all this. It motivates you, it's your heart felt reason and plight.


It's funny how you put that. I'm in Christ, born again ... that's in the loop.

In political wars as we see today (that reflect many of our religious views), the Liberals always accuse the Conservatives of doing and being guilty of exactly the things that they do. The "Antifa"" label themselves as anti-fascist, when that's opposite of who they are -- they are fascists! You were recently crying about masses amounts of children being slaughtered and genocide in Gaza, yet the Liberals marching and protesting against Israel are the same Pro-choice group, responsible for aborting ( murdering) 60 million babies since 1974 just in the USA.

Check yourself, look in the mirror ... I think it has been a long time since you've examined yourself.

Again, and God tells all this, He's not deflecting, He is telling you too:
"I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” Gen. 12:3
Get ready ... it's coming!

The world is certainly taking sides ...

https://www.jns.org/what-made-a-mamdani-win-possible-demography-and-normalizing-antisemitism/

You keep slinging accusations, slander, and threats of divine curses, desperately trying to derail this discussion into a Bible-thumping sermon. It’s not working. Your interpretations of Scripture—borrowed straight from John Nelson Darby’s 19th-century Dispensationalism—are neither substantial nor convincing evidence that modern Israelis are descendants of the 10 lost tribes. You act as if your reading of prophecy, or rather Darby’s, is the ultimate truth. It’s not. Biblical interpretation varies widely, as Church Tradition has shown for centuries, but you conveniently ignore that, banking on a theology tailored for American Christian Zionists who often lack the depth of historical Christian teaching.

Your pivot to U.S. politics—Republicans versus Democrats, “liberals” and “Antifa,” abortions—is completely irrelevant. I’m not a Democrat, not even a U.S. citizen. What does the Democratic Party’s stance on abortion have to do with me or this discussion? Nothing. It’s just another deflection because you have no evidence—no DNA, no archaeology, no historical records—linking modern Israel to the lost tribes.

You accuse me of “hatred” and leaning on “science” like Dawkins or Hawking. Spare me. I’m not citing atheists; I’m citing facts: 2 million Soviet repatriants in Israel have Slavic DNA, barely any Levantine markers, while Palestinians carry 81–87% ancient Levantine DNA.

Are you saying only atheists can cite scientific data? Or what? You’re pushing a false dichotomy between faith and science, sounding like an atheist yourself.

 

[Nancy]

Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

Your question has nothing to do with my post. I asked a question about antisemitism among Christians, not about the lost tribes or Northern Israel or Noahide laws as my friend from CA. keeps bringing up. And, yes, I know the tribes have been scattered since the death of Solomon.
Thanks for the input!

 

[Chrysostomos]

Your question has nothing to do with my post. I asked a question about antisemitism among Christians, not about the lost tribes or Northern Israel or Noahide laws as my friend from CA. keeps bringing up. And, yes, I know the tribes have been scattered since the death of Solomon.
Thanks for the input!

What “antisemitism” are you talking about?

It’s all tied together.
You say Christians criticize “Jews”—but which Jews?

Christians criticize modern Egyptians, the so-called “Egyptians” of today’s Egypt, without issue.

So why can’t they call out the policies of modern Israel, where the “Jews” are as “Jewish” as today’s Arabs are “Egyptian” in Egypt?

What, Christians can’t criticize anyone?
Or do you think Christians should just ditch critical thinking entirely?

 

[Nancy]

Thanks everyone for your replies, I've no more to add here and BTW-we are "Christians" so, we should be loving of all people.
Blessings!

 

[Chrysostomos]

Thanks everyone for your replies, I've no more to add here and BTW-we are "Christians" so, we should be loving of all people.
Blessings!

You’re pushing a warped “love everyone” narrative that crumbles under scrutiny.
Let’s start with John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” The key is “whoever believes in Him.” Salvation is for those who believe in Christ, not every unrepentant rejector of Him.

John 3:18–20 and 3:36 (NIV) make it crystal clear: “Whoever does not believe stands condemned already” and “whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” God’s love in John 3:16 is an offer of salvation to a fallen world, but those who spurn Christ stay under His wrath.

So how do you leap from this to claiming Jesus teaches us to love:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

Jesus Himself gives an exception, even for personal enemies. In Matthew 18:15–17 (NIV), He says if a brother sins against you and refuses to repent, even after church intervention, “treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

Tax collectors, though Jewish, were Roman collaborators, despised as outsiders—not personal enemies.
Jesus explicitly allows treating an unrepentant believer as an outsider, not requiring love or kindness.

How did Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understand this? They loathed Roman pagans and tax-collecting collaborators (Matthew 9:11, Luke 19:7). If Jesus says to treat even an unrepentant brother like a pagan or tax collector, what does that say about loving:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

If even a sinning brother gets cut off, why would Jesus demand love for those under God’s wrath?
Your logic is absurd, cherry-picking verses to coddle God’s enemies.

Read more in the topic: "Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands"

 

[Nancy]

You’re pushing a warped “love everyone” narrative that crumbles under scrutiny.
Let’s start with John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” The key is “whoever believes in Him.” Salvation is for those who believe in Christ, not every unrepentant rejector of Him.

John 3:18–20 and 3:36 (NIV) make it crystal clear: “Whoever does not believe stands condemned already” and “whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.” God’s love in John 3:16 is an offer of salvation to a fallen world, but those who spurn Christ stay under His wrath.

So how do you leap from this to claiming Jesus teaches us to love:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

Jesus Himself gives an exception, even for personal enemies. In Matthew 18:15–17 (NIV), He says if a brother sins against you and refuses to repent, even after church intervention, “treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

Tax collectors, though Jewish, were Roman collaborators, despised as outsiders—not personal enemies.
Jesus explicitly allows treating an unrepentant believer as an outsider, not requiring love or kindness.

How did Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understand this? They loathed Roman pagans and tax-collecting collaborators (Matthew 9:11, Luke 19:7). If Jesus says to treat even an unrepentant brother like a pagan or tax collector, what does that say about loving:
- Criminals: pedophiles, murderers, rapists, thieves, swindlers…
- Military enemies
- Satanists: sorcerers, witches, devil-worshippers

If even a sinning brother gets cut off, why would Jesus demand love for those under God’s wrath?
Your logic is absurd, cherry-picking verses to coddle God’s enemies.

Read more in the topic: "Do Not Murder vs. You Must Kill: Understanding 'Kill' and 'Murder' in Biblical Commands"

1 Cor. 13:13
13 "But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love." What does this verse say about love? Are we to pick and choose who we love? Love your enemies? Do good to those who harm you and use you?

Sigh, I'm so tired.

 

[Chrysostomos]

1 Cor. 13:13
13 "But now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; and the greatest of these is love." What does this verse say about love? Are we to pick and choose who we love? Love your enemies? Do good to those who harm you and use you?

Sigh, I'm so tired.

How does this answer the questions raised in the thread? You’re dragging the discussion into some vague talk about love. Are we supposed to just stop discerning altogether? What kind of bizarre question is that?

 

[shepherdsword]

How does this answer the questions raised in the thread? You’re dragging the discussion into some vague talk about love. Are we supposed to just stop discerning altogether? What kind of bizarre question is that?

What she is trying to do is show you that all you demonstrate is hate and topics that in the end, don't really matter. Love is the prime virtue. You only see it as "vague" because you are so far removed from it. Where is your fruit? Your peace? Your joy? if you don't have those then your shallow plastic questions mean nothing. Hence, most ignore them.

 

[Chrysostomos]

What she is trying to do is show you that all you demonstrate is hate and topics that in the end, don't really matter. Love is the prime virtue. You only see it as "vague" because you are so far removed from it. Where is your fruit? Your peace? Your joy? if you don't have those then your shallow plastic questions mean nothing. Hence, most ignore them.

Your response is a textbook example of twisting a discussion into accusations of hatred and demands for "love." I’m baffled—how did a thread about history, archaeology, DNA, statistics, and personal observations spiral into this sermon about love? This is a practical topic, grounded in facts, yet you’ve derailed it into finger-wagging about “hate” and “fruit.”

Stop extorting love and slinging insults—bring actual proof

 

[shepherdsword]

Your response is a textbook example of twisting a discussion into accusations of hatred and demands for "love." I’m baffled—how did a thread about history, archaeology, DNA, statistics, and personal observations spiral into this sermon about love? This is a practical topic, grounded in facts, yet you’ve derailed it into finger-wagging about “hate” and “fruit.”

Stop extorting love and slinging insults—bring actual proof

I don't swat at gnats and swallow camels. What you call derailing is actually trying to bring you to what is truly important. All you want to do is ask silly questions

2 Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

 

[Chrysostomos]

I don't swat at gnats and swallow camels. What you call derailing is actually trying to bring you to what is truly important. All you want to do is ask silly questions

2 Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

So, you’ve got nothing to say on the topic?

 

[Chrysostomos]

This forum is full of Christian Zionists who openly cheer for modern Israel, so I expected a lively, well-argued debate on this topic.

Instead, I got nothing—not a single decent argument from the Christian Zionist side. Zero. The one point about DNA research from my opponents only proved me right.

All their other “arguments” boil down to cherry-picked interpretations of biblical prophecies, which aren’t even remotely serious evidence.
In short, the Christian Zionists have completely folded.

Is shepherdsword actually telling the truth? Did your “cyber soldier squad” decide to ignore all my posts, questions, and threads, hoping they’ll just sink to the bottom of the forum, out of sight?

What, you can’t even come up with a half-decent lie on this topic without it sounding like total nonsense?

 

[shepherdsword]

This forum is full of Christian Zionists who openly cheer for modern Israel, so I expected a lively, well-argued debate on this topic.

Instead, I got nothing—not a single decent argument from the Christian Zionist side. Zero. The one point about DNA research from my opponents only proved me right.

All their other “arguments” boil down to cherry-picked interpretations of biblical prophecies, which aren’t even remotely serious evidence.
In short, the Christian Zionists have completely folded.

Is shepherdsword actually telling the truth? Did your “cyber soldier squad” decide to ignore all my posts, questions, and threads, hoping they’ll just sink to the bottom of the forum, out of sight?

What, you can’t even come up with a half-decent lie on this topic without it sounding like total nonsense?

There has been a plethora of evidence that shows modern jews are actually true descendants. The DNA evidence didn't prove your point. The cultural practice and adherence didn't prove your point. The scriptural evidence didn't prove your point. The only reason people have gone silent is because they, like me, understand that you would deny their Jewish heritage no matter what evidence is presented. Why bother with someone who denies the destruction of their arguments no matter how evident their loss is? Couple that with your nasty and hateful insults and you have the reason people have gone silent.

Goodbye

 

[Chrysostomos]

There has been a plethora of evidence that shows modern jews are actually true descendants. The DNA evidence didn't prove your point. The cultural practice and adherence didn't prove your point. The scriptural evidence didn't prove your point. The only reason people have gone silent is because they, like me, understand that you would deny their Jewish heritage no matter what evidence is presented. Why bother with someone who denies the destruction of their arguments no matter how evident their loss is? Couple that with your nasty and hateful insults and you have the reason people have gone silent.

Goodbye

Your so-called evidence—DNA, cultural practices, and scriptural interpretations—falls apart under scrutiny, and your whining about my “hateful insults” is a hypocritical dodge.

DNA proves MY point, not yours.
You say DNA supports your case? Wrong. Ashkenazi Jews have 50% European DNA and only 50% Levantine, tied to ancient Judah, not the 10 northern tribes lost to Assyria in 722 BCE.
2 million Soviet repatriants in Israel have Slavic DNA, barely any Levantine markers.

The northern tribes—Reuben, Gad, Naphtali—are gone, with no genetic markers in modern populations. Meanwhile, Palestinians carry 81–87% ancient Levantine DNA, closer to the biblical inhabitants than most Israelis. If DNA is your trump card, it’s a bust.

Cultural practices? Irrelevant.
You point to “cultural adherence” as evidence? That’s laughable.
You haven’t shown one shred of evidence linking them to the northern kingdom of Israel or even Judah in biblical times. Where’s the continuity?

Biblical prophecies? Weightless.
Your “scriptural evidence” is just 19th-century Dispensationalist fan fiction, courtesy of John Nelson Darby. You lean on verses like Amos 9:14–15, which I’ve already shown were fulfilled in 538 BCE when Judah returned from Babylon (Ezra, Nehemiah). No northern tribes are mentioned—zero. Your futuristic spin on Zechariah or Romans 11 is theology, not history, and it proves nothing about modern Israelis being descendants of the 10 lost tribes. Interpretations aren’t facts. They’re opinions, and yours don’t hold water.

You cry about my “nasty insults” and “hate”? Look in the mirror. You and your crowd sling accusations of antisemitism, threaten divine curses (Genesis 12:3), and demand “love” like it’s a weapon. You’re no victims here—you’d tear anyone apart who dares challenge your narrative and not even blink. Your posts drip with hatred for anyone who questions Israel, yet you have the gall to lecture me about “fruit” and “peace”? Spare me.

You claim people ignore me because I “deny Jewish heritage” no matter the evidence. That’s a cop-out. The real reason? You’ve got no evidence to counter me. I’ve laid out DNA, history, and archaeology—all you’ve got is recycled prophecies and hurt feelings. If your “plethora of evidence” was so airtight, you’d have buried me by now. Instead, you’re whining about my tone while your Christian Zionist squad hopes my posts sink to the bottom of the forum. Pathetic.

 

[shepherdsword]

You claim people ignore me because I “deny Jewish heritage” no matter the evidence. That’s a cop-out. The real reason? You’ve got no evidence to counter me. I’ve laid out DNA, history, and archaeology—all you’ve got is recycled prophecies and hurt feelings. If your “plethora of evidence” was so airtight, you’d have buried me by now. Instead, you’re whining about my tone while your Christian Zionist squad hopes my posts sink to the bottom of the forum. Pathetic.

People ignore you because you are mean to them and deny evidence as well as reality.

 

[Chrysostomos]

People ignore you because you are mean to them and deny evidence as well as reality.

Your “cyber squad of Satan’s synagogue” isn’t ignoring me because I’m “mean”—they’re dodging me because they’ve got nothing to say.

They can’t even spin a half-baked lie in my presence, knowing I’ll shred their ridiculous nonsense to pieces.

All you do is sling mud at me and play the victim card.

The more you stay silent, the less lies, insults, and slander clog up the world.
Keep hiding—it’s just proof you’re out of moves.

 

[shepherdsword]

Your “cyber squad of Satan’s synagogue” isn’t ignoring me because I’m “mean”—they’re dodging me because they’ve got nothing to say.

They can’t even spin a half-baked lie in my presence, knowing I’ll shred their ridiculous nonsense to pieces.

All you do is sling mud at me and play the victim card.

The more you stay silent, the less lies, insults, and slander clog up the world.
Keep hiding—it’s just proof you’re out of moves.

You have some imagination. You haven't shredded anything except any respect you might have been granted. Go ahead and listen to the lies of the pagan RCC. Maybe the pope will let you bow down and kiss his feet.

 

[Chrysostomos]

You have some imagination. You haven't shredded anything except any respect you might have been granted. Go ahead and listen to the lies of the pagan RCC. Maybe the pope will let you bow down and kiss his feet.

God forbid I ever earn the respect of your Satan’s synagogue cyber squad—I’d lose all respect for myself.

You’re so rigidly tied to your script that you can’t even adapt to an Orthodox Christian.

You just stick to your tired playbook, slandering the “pagan RCC” like a broken record.

You don’t have the flexibility to swap “Catholic Church” for “Orthodox Church” or “Pope” for “Patriarch of All Rus’.”

Do you see how absurdly mechanical that makes you look?

 

[shepherdsword]

God forbid I ever earn the respect of your Satan’s synagogue cyber squad—I’d lose all respect for myself.

You’re so rigidly tied to your script that you can’t even adapt to an Orthodox Christian.

You just stick to your tired playbook, slandering the “pagan RCC” like a broken record.

You don’t have the flexibility to swap “Catholic Church” for “Orthodox Church” or “Pope” for “Patriarch of All Rus’.”

Do you see how absurdly mechanical that makes you look?

Next time you get a little communion biscuit be sure to get a DNA sample. If it has any other DNA than what should be in bread I will convert.