Grailhunter
Well-Known Member
I want to make a few things clear. The Trinity is defined in different ways. The term Trinity came out as tri-unity not triune. The term was coined early in Christian history but did not have the three in one aspect until the Catholic Church forced the three in one definition onto Christianity in the 4th century under penalty of death. And then most of the Protestants adopted the belief during the reformation.
But still that does not define the whole topic. I defend what the scriptures say and what the early Church believed and the progressing Christian history. There is good chance that very few people even thought about the three in one concept until the Catholic Church demanded it.
The history of it included people that wanted the scripures to validate the three in one belief so much that they used the translation process to change what the scriptures said. It is called The Johannine Comma Addition and involves 1st John 5:7-8. You can look it up yourselves, it is historical.
Then there is the other side of the coin….The scriptures give us a lot information but they cannot define exactly what it is to be a God or how they relate. The Law of Physics of Heaven so to speak. There are three real Gods, Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit. Do they and can they sit on thrones? Perfect minds….would think exactly a like. Yeshua prayed to Yahweh in the Garden and said that Yahweh was His God. But do they normally communicate with telepathy? Or do they speak to each other in Heaven? And are they connected some how? Can we comprehend that connection?
My defense of the scriptures and Christian history is not saying that there cannot be a connection, it just not defined in the scriptures. In fact the three in one beliefs does not fit with the scriptures….And Christ’s explanation of it includes us as part of the one. But as it is the three in one formula skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures, like the My Father scriptures and the My Father in Heaven scriptures…. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son….This is my Son of whom I am well pleased….the Father is greater than I ….Yeshua ascends to the Father….. Yeshua saying Yahweh is His God….Yeshua does not do His will but the will of Yahweh….Yeshua did not know when the end of time was but Yahweh did…. Yeshua did not have the authority to grant John and James mother’s request that her sons sit on each side of Him. So the three in one belief twists the meaning of these scripture….as if Yeshua is His own Father and He is praying and referring to Himself and pleased with Himself.
So I am not saying there is not a connection between the three but not to the point that they are not individuals. A lot of people like the three in one belief because is seems like a miracle.....but it just is not true. The three Gods are a miracle enough.
The term Godhead is a much more accurate term.
But still that does not define the whole topic. I defend what the scriptures say and what the early Church believed and the progressing Christian history. There is good chance that very few people even thought about the three in one concept until the Catholic Church demanded it.
The history of it included people that wanted the scripures to validate the three in one belief so much that they used the translation process to change what the scriptures said. It is called The Johannine Comma Addition and involves 1st John 5:7-8. You can look it up yourselves, it is historical.
Then there is the other side of the coin….The scriptures give us a lot information but they cannot define exactly what it is to be a God or how they relate. The Law of Physics of Heaven so to speak. There are three real Gods, Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit. Do they and can they sit on thrones? Perfect minds….would think exactly a like. Yeshua prayed to Yahweh in the Garden and said that Yahweh was His God. But do they normally communicate with telepathy? Or do they speak to each other in Heaven? And are they connected some how? Can we comprehend that connection?
My defense of the scriptures and Christian history is not saying that there cannot be a connection, it just not defined in the scriptures. In fact the three in one beliefs does not fit with the scriptures….And Christ’s explanation of it includes us as part of the one. But as it is the three in one formula skews the meaning of over a hundred scriptures, like the My Father scriptures and the My Father in Heaven scriptures…. God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son….This is my Son of whom I am well pleased….the Father is greater than I ….Yeshua ascends to the Father….. Yeshua saying Yahweh is His God….Yeshua does not do His will but the will of Yahweh….Yeshua did not know when the end of time was but Yahweh did…. Yeshua did not have the authority to grant John and James mother’s request that her sons sit on each side of Him. So the three in one belief twists the meaning of these scripture….as if Yeshua is His own Father and He is praying and referring to Himself and pleased with Himself.
So I am not saying there is not a connection between the three but not to the point that they are not individuals. A lot of people like the three in one belief because is seems like a miracle.....but it just is not true. The three Gods are a miracle enough.
The term Godhead is a much more accurate term.
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