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FAITH IS NOT A GIFT

Disagree.

Eph 2:
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

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It can be read to say another way. You are saved by grace, the gift of God, through faith and grace is not of yourselves

Look at the surrounding verses
[Eph 2:7 KJV]
"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
The passage is about grace
[Eph 2:8 KJV]
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:"

[Eph 2:9 KJV]
"Not of works, lest any man should boast."
We cant boast that we are saved of ourselves. We are saved by grace.
 

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Faith is confidence in what is hoped for and assurance about what cannot be seen, acting as the foundation for a hopeful and trusting life

in Hebrews 11:1, “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”

Grace is God's unmerited favor , and faith is the human response of trusting Jesus Christ and his work on the cross.This means a person is saved because God's grace makes salvation possible and faith is a way of accepting that gift.
Faith is believing God..................[Rom 4:3 KJV] "For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
 

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‘Grace and faith are the gift.

Faith comes to a person when God speaks to them, inspires them, moves upon them.


Grace is the God given ability to do what you can not do on your own.

Grace is the Holy Spirit: the Spirit of Grace.
Faith is believing God..............
[Rom 4:3 KJV]
"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
 

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Interesting observation. Albert Barnes' Notes agrees with you (I added the underlining):

For by grace are ye saved - By mere favor. It is not by your Own merit; it is not because you have any claim. This is a favorite doctrine with Paul, as it is with all who love the Lord Jesus in sincerity; compare the notes at Rom_1:7; Rom_3:24, note.
Through faith - Grace bestowed through faith, or in connection with believing; see the notes at Rom_1:17; Rom_4:16, note.
And that not of yourselves - That is, salvation does not proceed from yourselves. The word rendered “that” - τοῦτο touto - is in the neuter gender, and the word “faith” - πίστις pistis - is in the feminine. The word “that,” therefore, does not refer particularly to faith, as being the gift of God, but to “the salvation by grace” of which he had been speaking. This is the interpretation of the passage which is the most obvious, and which is now generally conceded to be the true one; see Bloomfield. Many critics, however, as Doddridge, Beza, Piscator, and Chrysostom, maintain that the word “that” (τοῦτο touto) refers to “faith” (πίστις pistis); and Doddridge maintains that such a use is common in the New Testament. As a matter of grammar this opinion is certainly doubtful, if not untenable; but as a matter of theology it is a question of very little importance.​
Whether this passage proves it or not, it is certainly true that faith is the gift of God. It exists in the mind only when the Holy Spirit produces it there, and is, in common with every other Christian excellence, to be traced to his agency on the heart. This opinion, however, does not militate at all with the doctrine that man himself “believes.” It is not God that “believes” for him, for that is impossible. It is his own mind that actually believes, or that exercises faith; see the notes at Rom_4:3. In the same manner “repentance” is to be traced to God. It is one of the fruits of the operation of the Holy Spirit on the soul. But the Holy Spirit does not “repent” for us. It is our “own mind” that repents; our own heart that feels; our own eyes that weep - and without this there can he no true repentance. No one can repent for another; and God neither can nor ought to repent for us. He has done no wrong, and if repentance is ever exercised, therefore, it must be exercised by our own minds. So of faith. God cannot believe for us. “We” must believe, or “we” shall be damned. Still this does not conflict at all with the opinion, that if we exercise faith, the inclination to do it is to be traced to the agency of God on the heart. I would not contend, therefore, about the grammatical construction of this passage, with respect to the point of the theology contained in it; still it accords better with the obvious grammatical construction, and with the design of the passage to understand the word “that” as referring not to “faith” only, but to “salvation by grace.” So Calvin understands it, and so it is understood by Storr, Locke, Clarke, Koppe, Grotius, and others.​
It is the gift of God - Salvation by grace is his gift. It is not of merit; it is wholly by favor.​
Thanks I had not read any commentaries
 

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[EPHESIANS 2:5-9 KJV] 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Faith isn't the gift as I heard some say, grace is the gift of God. Grace is not of ourselves.

The gift of God is his loving kindness to us in bestowing mercy to us.

Salvation unto eternal life is solely by his grace as seen in these scriptures:
[ROMANS 5:18 KJV] 18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
[ROMANS[Luk 1:47 KJV] 47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 6:23 KJV] 23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

John 6:29 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Why would anyone try to separate faith from believing? Faith is moral persuasion through God's grace that enables man to believe, ALL stemming from grace, the free gift from God that saves.

The gift that is God's grace bestowed unto man through faith, that is having reliance upon Christ for salvation through the work of God's gift of grace.

John 1:13 (KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 

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Ephesians 2:8 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

John 6:29 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Why would anyone try to separate faith from believing? Faith is moral persuasion through God's grace that enables man to believe, ALL stemming from grace, the free gift from God that saves.

The gift that is God's grace bestowed unto man through faith, that is having reliance upon Christ for salvation through the work of God's gift of grace.

John 1:13 (KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Yes faith is believing God
[Rom 4:3 KJV]
"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."
 

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Yes faith is believing God
[Rom 4:3 KJV]
"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

How did the Gentile, Abraham believe God? Was it not in the same way whosoever among mankind believes? Abraham could not have faith to believe on Him whom he had not heard. But Abraham did hear the gospel preached to Him by God. According to grace through imputed faith Abraham believed God when He told him that an heir that would supernaturally be born through barren Sarah, and through this SEED (Christ) the whole world would be blessed. It wasn't through his good work of faith/believing that Abraham believed God, it was through the free gift of God's GRACE that gave Abraham the ability to believe/have faith in God's promise.

Genesis 22:15-18 (KJV) And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV)
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Romans 10:11-12 (KJV) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Romans 10:14-17 (KJV) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Romans 4:3-5 (KJV) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
 

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It can be read to say another way. You are saved by grace, the gift of God, through faith and grace is not of yourselves

Look at the surrounding verses
[Eph 2:7 KJV]
"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."
The passage is about grace
[Eph 2:8 KJV]
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:"

[Eph 2:9 KJV]
"Not of works, lest any man should boast."
We cant boast that we are saved of ourselves. We are saved by grace.

Hi Doug.
I would say GRACE is a characteristic of Gods Being, similar to He IS Love, Righteous, Just, Kind, Truth… etc. that He Desires to “use” His characteristics, His Being… to ”Bless” “ALL” men and “Gift” “SOME” men.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
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Faith is believing God..............
[Rom 4:3 KJV]
"For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness."

No sir.


Faith is a noun.

Believe is a verb.


Faith is what we receive from God when we hear Him speak to us; something


Believe (obey) is an action we must take when we receive faith by hearing.
 
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Hi Doug.
I would say GRACE is a characteristic of Gods Being, similar to He IS Love, Righteous, Just, Kind, Truth… etc. that He Desires to “use” His characteristics, His Being… to ”Bless” “ALL” men and “Gift” “SOME” men.

God Bless you.

Glory to God,
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Hi
Yes grace and mercy and love and charity are his character. What a wonderful God we have.

As far as gifting some men I would say we all have been given the gift of his grace..............
[Eph 4:7 KJV]
"But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."
 
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Belief… ONCE Heartfully True IN a man..
IS “Maintained”, By the POWER of God.

Glory to God,
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[Rom 16:25 KJV]
"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret s ince the world began,"
By his power we are stablished (strengthened)
 
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No sir.


Faith is a noun.

Believe is a verb.


Faith is what we receive from God when we hear Him speak to us; something


Believe (obey) is an action we must take when we receive faith by hearing.
To be justified unto eternal life we have to believe the gospel. I

t is said we have to obey the gospel ...........
[2Th 1:8 KJV]
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

There is a correlation between faith and obedience as seen in Hebrews 11

[Rom 16:26 KJV]
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"
Obedience springs from believing what God says
 

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Hi
Yes grace and mercy and love and charity are his character. What a wonderful God we have.

As far as gifting some men I would say we all have been given the gift of his grace..............
[Eph 4:7 KJV]
"But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."

Hi
Yes grace and mercy and love and charity are his character. What a wonderful God we have.

As far as gifting some men I would say we all have been given the gift of his grace..............
[Eph 4:7 KJV]
"But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ."

My perspective…
I dig into specifics…
Blessings, Gifts, Rewards…

God freely “Blesses” men, believers or not.

Receiving Gifts, Require more from men…
ie. ranges … Belief, (word) Heartful Confessed Belief, a mans body (blood life) willingly to Die “for their Belief IN Him”.

Works a man does to “glorify God”, is a debt unto God. He “repays” ( His debt ) with “Rewards” unto the man.

Blessings, Gifts, Rewards… all possible Because of Gods wholesome, perfect, righteous GRACE…
offering, giving, what is neither deserved or earned.

Glory to God,
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[Rom 16:25 KJV]
"Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret s ince the world began,"
By his power we are stablished (strengthened)

IN Christ…Christ IN you.
( ^ Does not apply to Every Believer)
Believer, ( Not having CHRIST “iN Them ) are “maintaining their Belief, by their “own power”.

And the Danger Warning IS… they are a “target” for the millions of powerful fallen angels seeking to be With and In them… “with the ear tickle of deception”.

1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Glory to God,
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Ephesians 2:8 is plain. For by the Grace of God you are saved through Faith in Jesus Christ, and you didn't do it on your own. Faith in Jesus Christ is the gift of God, that no one can boast they did anything themselves to achieve salvation.
 

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There is a correlation between faith and obedience as seen in Hebrews 11

Absoloutly.

Faith without the “work” of obedience is dead.


By faith literally means God spoke to you, and you obeyed what He said.


This is the principle by which faith operates to produce the intended divine result.


it’s called the obedience of faith.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26
 

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Faith without the “work” of obedience is dead.
Only one point of contention here in applying this verse if you will
James is speaking to believing Israel, not us
Israel had to simply believe for eternal life that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, but to enter the kingdom on earth and reign with Christ, they had to have works
 

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To be justified unto eternal life we have to believe the gospel. I
Belief IS paramount…. To Receive “salvation”
Belief IN WHAT IS Paramount.
Belief WHEN IS Paramount.
Belief WHERE IS Paramount.
WHEN Salvation is “Given” IS Paramount.
Salvation “Received” FROM WHOM, IS Paramount.

All “specific”.
Belief IS paramount…. To Receive “salvation.
… Required.

Belief IN WHAT IS Paramount.
God AND His Word.(ancient, when Gods Words Name was “ Secret”.)
God saved.

( historical / modern, Gods Words Name JESUS..)
Man Believe in heart at time of bodily death…
God shall save.

Belief WHEN IS Paramount.
Before bodily (blood life) Death.

Belief WHERE IS Paramount.
IN natural mans “spirit”, ie. Truth in his Heart.

WHEN Salvation is “Given” IS Paramount.
After a body IS ( Spiritually Accounted Dead).
Ie, Gods Books/ Records of Evidence.
Meaning.. physical Bodily Death.
Meaning…Bodily dead, crucified with Jesus.

Salvation “Received” FROM WHOM, IS Paramount.
Salvation “OF” Christ Jesus
FROM “BY” the Lamb of God…(baptizer)
After Belief in Heart…
After Confession of Belief IN Heart, to Lord.
After Verified Confession is True, By God.
After Forgiveness Given.
Heart circumcised.
Then… Lamb of God Baptizes.
Then Seed of God Given.
Then Spirit of Truth is Given “in new heart”.
Body thereafter living “IN” Christ Jesus” Risen Body…
Man, prepared Whole, (body, ( sanctified, set apart, cleansed), soul restored, spirit quickened (born again)…to be Redeemed BY the Lord…Aka Rapture….
Before great Trib.

1 Thes 4: ( Naturally living or physically bodily dead) (IN Christ)
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

God shall save men during the Trib, WHOSE Heart Believes IN God and His Word (Jesus), before their bodily death …
They raised After bodily death, first Resurrection.

1 Thes 4: ( With God, Heartful Belief in God and His Word Jesus)
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Some ARE saved now, having surrendered / commitment…
Some HOPE they “Will be” Saved, trying to maintain belief by their own power… void of commitment.
Some Will, Some Won’t.
Assured Salvation NOW is CHRIST JESUS’ Offering, and His Power IN a man to maintain Commitment.
Some Accept, Some Don’t.


Glory to God,
Taken







t is said we have to obey the gospel ...........
[2Th 1:8 KJV]
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

There is a correlation between faith and obedience as seen in Hebrews 11

[Rom 16:26 KJV]
"But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:"
Obedience springs from believing what God says
 

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Only one point of contention here in applying this verse if you will
James is speaking to believing Israel, not us
Israel had to simply believe for eternal life that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, but to enter the kingdom on earth and reign with Christ, they had to have works

God requires ONE Works….For Salvation… Belief.

All other works that Glorify God…
Rewards are Given.



Glory to God,
Taken