8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

[David in NJ]

And? That does not suggest after that is over then there is going to be a time of Jewish salvation. That occurs as the Gentiles come in. The sign of the end is the nations will all hear, then comes the end.

All who are in Christ have been Saved by a Jewish Salvation = "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah has Prevailed" Rev 5:5

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. - Romans 1:16

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Are you referring to the 70th week as = "the last week" ???

No. From 70 AD to the end there will be many wars. But the last verse shows us a paradigm that was used more than once.

Daniel 8, the 2,300 literal days is between 6 and 7 years which is the Maccabeen war 67 BC to 60 BC, again with the middle of the week, Antiochus Epiphanes IV desecrated the temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar to Zeus. It is also interesting that he died shortly thereafter in 64 BC.

The second time was another Jewish war from 64 AD to 73 AD, and the middle of the week was 70 AD when Jerusalem, including the temple was destroyed.

The Great Tribulation will be the last 7 year period, again with two halves of 3 1/2 years each. During the first half the Jews are protected, and the beast goes after Christians, Israel's offspring, Rev. 12:17. The second half the beast goes after the Jews also. Note, Revelation 12:1, the woman is Israel, not the church. See the genealogies.

 

[Davy]

There shall never be a literal/physical Kingdom of God upon this earth! If the Kingdom of God were established on this earth it would not be forever, as Christ has promised! Because everything physical upon this earth is destined to utter destruction through the fiery flames that shall come down from heaven on the last day.

There will however be a literal/physical Kingdom upon the New Earth, because the new earth shall be forever!

You got that from absolutist thinking of your flesh about the coming consuming fire destruction which Apostles Paul and Peter spoke of to end this present world age. That consuming fire event happens on the day of Christ's future return, on the "day of the Lord".

In 2 Peter 3, Peter gave examples of a previous destruction upon the earth by God using flood waters. If you believe he was pointing to the flood of Noah's day, let's speak of that. God did not 'totally' destroy the whole earth with the flood of Noah's day. Even the dove Noah sent upon the existing earth once the rains stopped brought back an olive branch that showed new plant growth upon the same ole' earth that was before. With this next coming destruction, but Peter says this next time will be with fire, it is going to do the same thing the flood waters did upon this earth, simply cleanse the earth's surface of man's works, not... totally destroy the whole earth into some asteroid belt.

That coming event of God's consuming fire on the day Jesus returns will NOT destroy all the wicked either. God's Word shows the wicked still existing after... Christ's future return. Do you recall Apostle Paul speaking of events on the "last trump" per 1 Cor.15? Paul said we all shall be 'changed' 'at the twinkling of an eye', and he was speaking of our flesh being suddenly cast off and our spiritual body being revealed, as fast as one can blink. That is how quick God's consuming fire is going to destroy man's works of this present world off this earth. Yet He is not going to throw away His creation.

 

[David in NJ]

No. From 70 AD to the end there will be many wars. But the last verse shows us a paradigm that was used more than once.

Daniel 8, the 2,300 literal days is between 6 and 7 years which is the Maccabeen war 67 BC to 60 BC, again with the middle of the week, Antiochus Epiphanes IV desecrated the temple by sacrificing a pig on the altar to Zeus. It is also interesting that he died shortly thereafter in 64 BC.

The second time was another Jewish war from 64 AD to 73 AD, and the middle of the week was 70 AD when Jerusalem, including the temple was destroyed.

The Great Tribulation will be the last 7 year period, again with two halves of 3 1/2 years each. During the first half the Jews are protected, and the beast goes after Christians, Israel's offspring, Rev. 12:17. The second half the beast goes after the Jews also. Note, Revelation 12:1, the woman is Israel, not the church. See the genealogies.

Please re-examine Daniel chapter 9 again in the Light of the Gospel and Hebrews and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians

Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; = 69
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

 

[WPM]

Well, we went over this a ways back but we can go over it again = Refreshers in the Word are always GOOD

#1 - Genesis lays the Foundation for ALL Truth that will follow = the Truth in Genesis is in the Gospel and in Revelation

Exactly! As i said: this is a non-corroborative theory. It invents an age between this age and the age to come that will never occur. It is based on a wrong reading of one chapter in the most symbolic setting in the whole of Scripture - three chapters before the end of the Bible.

 

[WPM]

You got that from absolutist thinking of your flesh about the coming consuming fire destruction which Apostles Paul and Peter spoke of to end this present world age. That consuming fire event happens on the day of Christ's future return, on the "day of the Lord".

In 2 Peter 3, Peter gave examples of a previous destruction upon the earth by God using flood waters. If you believe he was pointing to the flood of Noah's day, let's speak of that. God did not 'totally' destroy the whole earth with the flood of Noah's day. Even the dove Noah sent upon the existing earth once the rains stopped brought back an olive branch that showed new plant growth upon the same ole' earth that was before. With this next coming destruction, but Peter says this next time will be with fire, it is going to do the same thing the flood waters did upon this earth, simply cleanse the earth's surface of man's works, not... totally destroy the whole earth into some asteroid belt.

That coming event of God's consuming fire on the day Jesus returns will NOT destroy all the wicked either. God's Word shows the wicked still existing after... Christ's future return. Do you recall Apostle Paul speaking of events on the "last trump" per 1 Cor.15? Paul said we all shall be 'changed' 'at the twinkling of an eye', and he was speaking of our flesh being suddenly cast off and our spiritual body being revealed, as fast as one can blink. That is how quick God's consuming fire is going to destroy man's works of this present world off this earth. Yet He is not going to throw away His creation.

This joins the wealth of evidence that Premils are not literalistists. For them to be so would force them to take the Bible literal and accept the coming of the Lord as climactic. Many testify that they are Premillennial because they take the Word of God literally, yet, when you put their theology to the test the opposite picture unfolds. Premillennialism spiritualizes the literal passages and literalizes the spiritual passages. That is because, if they were to take many passages in Scripture literal it would forbid Premillennialism. They are therefore forced to spiritualize it away. They literalize many figurative passages in the Old Testament because they lack support for their belief in the New Testament. Their hyper-literalistic approach to highly-figurative Revelation is a case-in-point. Their own hermeneutics actually forbid their beliefs.

For example: the day that Jesus returns is an actual day. The Bible calls it “the last day” (singular). This is presented in direct contrast to “the last days” (plural). Basically, it is the final day of the last days. It is not a figurative indefinite day. After all, time concludes at the last trumpet. When you couple that with the sudden and climactic detail attached to the day it is easy to understand its literal meaning. But because this negates the Premil thesis, Premillennialists spiritual the day to be a prolonged period of time and they spiritualize away the wholesale destruction that destroys the current corrupt natural when Jesus comes.

It is either not real fire (but imaginary fire) or the heavens and earth do not mean the heavens and earth (but rather a small sliver of land somewhere on the earth that they know not).

Premil is a joke.

This may explains why so many right-thinking objective Bible students are abandoning Premil and embracing Amil.

 

[WPM]

If there exists only one verse that counters that idea that Jesus is now reigning from the right hand of The Father's throne in Heaven, then it means you have missed something in God's written Word...

Heb 10:12-13
12 But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
KJV

If that term "expecting" hadn't been there in that verse, one could agree more with your perspective on Christ's reign. But the presence of that word shows Christ's reign must include over ALL nations, and not just the Christian nations. No one can even claim that He is now ruling over the 'unbelieving' Jews! and that's a big dent in the theory of men you are following.

Talk about twisting Scripture to support your error!!! Talk about doing your best to dethrone Christ from His heavenly kingship!!! This is why every reader should run from Premil.

The ruling of Christ over His enemies is an ongoing process since His ascension. Wicked men die every day but more wicked are born. There are new enemies that arise all the time to foolishly resist God, His demands, His will, His Word and His people.
Why would Jesus not be awaiting the subjugation of each of these and the final overthrow of them. It is He that has given them a short window to operate and will soon destroy them all at His climactic return.

Let me ask you some basic 101 biblical question. I will not hold my breath at you answering these as you are a master at avoidance. This is a Premil trait. That is because Premil is on the ropes. She has been demolished repeatedly on this forum.

1. Is Jesus “the express image of his (God’s) person,” who is “upholding all things by the word of his power” (Hebrews 1:2-3)?
2. Do you believe that Christ has become "the ruler of God’s creation" (Revelation 3:14)?
3. Do you believe that Jesus has already "spoiled principalities and powers ... made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:15)?
4. Do you believe that Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10)?
5. Do you believe that “angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him” right now (1 Peter 3:22)?
6. Do you believe that Christ is currently "the archon (or ruler) of the kings of the earth" (Revelation 1:5)?
7. Is Jesus “the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting” (1 Timothy 6:15–16)?
8. Do you believe that “All things that the Father hath are” Christ’s (John 16:15)?
9. Do you believe that the Father has indeed given Jesus “power over all flesh” (John 17:2)?
10. Do you believe that “All things are delivered” unto Jesus of His “Father” (Matthew 11:27) and that He has “given all things into his (Christ’s) hand” (John 3:35 and John 13:3)?
11. Do you believe that Jesus currently possesses “All power [Gr. exousia or authority] … in heaven and in earth” (Matthew 28:18)?
12. Do you believe that the Father has given Jesus “authority to execute judgment … because he is the Son of man” (John 5:26-27)?
13. Do you believe that Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7)?
14. When does Christ reign? After His enemies are subdued or until His enemies are subdued (1 Corinthians 15:25-28)?
15. 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet” and Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet.” How could anyone therefore deny He is sovereignly reigning over His enemies now? How could anyone then relate this fulfilment to an alleged future age after the second coming?
16. Do you agree that when it says in Hebrews 2:8 “For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him” that this plainly speaking about everyone who is living or has ever lived, albeit, there are enemies still being born right up until the second coming that will be placed under His feet?

 

[Wick Stick]

As we already know, Amils insist the millennium pertains to the here and now.

What I am thinking is this, though. There are 7 days in a week and that the 8th day is always a new beginning of a new week.

Sunday--day 1 of the week
Monday--day 2 of the week
Tuesday--day 3 of the week
Wednesday--day 4 of the week
Thursday--day 5 of the week
Friday--day 6 of the week
Saturday--day 7 of the week
Sunday--day 1 of a new week, thus 8 days later.

The 8th day of the week is a real thing in early Christian thought. Justin Martyr has a section on it... can't remember which book it's in rn.

Apparently, if assuming days to be involving a thousand years, we are in day 6 since the fall of man.

The Bible usually operates in generations rather than years.

Matthew enumerates 6 "weeks" of generations in Jesus' genealogy, making Jesus the beginning of the 7th "week." This also matches the prophecy in the (pseudephigraphal) Book of Enoch, which prophecies the whole of history in 10 weeks, with the final week being everlasting.

And that it is not logical that day 6 and day 7 can parallel one another. It can't be both at the same time. Which means their view is even more absurd than I initially thought, because, when Christ returns can't even be meaning the 7th day if they are already applying the 7th day to the here and now. And it for sure can't be meaning the 8th day since everyone already knows that 7 comes after 6, not 8.

I don't know what it is about some of these interpreters at times, that they can't even comprehend simple basic math? As if any week can only consist of 6 days rather than 7 days, and that 2 of these days are meaning the same day, meaning day 6 and 7 in this case, and that day 8 comes after day 6 rather than day 7. Nowhere in the Bible that I am aware of does day 7 ever mean a new beginning. But that doesn't even matter in this case since Amils are having day 6 and 7 run in parallel rather than following one another. Their view has to be one of the most absurd views there is, right up there along with Pretrib, for example. Not that Amil and Pretrib have anything in common theologically, but that both views are absurd and make no logical sense.

1Enoch Chapter 92 is very interesting... a section:

12. Afterwards, in the seventh week, a perverse generation shall arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its completion, the righteous shall be selected from the everlasting plant of righteousness; and to them shall be given the sevenfold doctrine of his whole creation.

13. Afterwards there shall be another week, the eighth of righteousness, to which shall be given a sword to execute judgment and justice upon all oppressors.

14. Sinners shall be delivered up into the hands of the righteous, who during its completion shall acquire habitations by their righteousness; and the house of the great King shall be established for celebrations for ever. After, this, in the ninth week, shall the judgment of righteousness be revealed to the whole world.

15. Every work of the ungodly shall disappear from the whole earth; the world shall be marked for destruction; and all men shall be on the look out for the path of integrity.

16. And after this, on the seventh day of the tenth week, there shall be an everlasting judgment, which shall be executed upon the Watchers; and a spacious eternal heaven shall spring forth in the midst of the angels.

17. The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine with sevenfold splendour for ever. Afterwards likewise shall there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in righteousness.

18. Neither shall sin be named there for ever and for ever.

There are a bunch of Biblical parallels here.

The seventh week having a "perverse generation" matches well with the "wicked and adulterous generation" of the New Testament. The "new heaven" fits well with Revelation's "new heaven and new earth."

 

[WPM]

The 8th day of the week is a real thing in early Christian thought. Justin Martyr has a section on it... can't remember which book it's in rn.

The Bible usually operates in generations rather than years.

Matthew enumerates 6 "weeks" of generations in Jesus' genealogy, making Jesus the beginning of the 7th "week." This also matches the prophecy in the (pseudephigraphal) Book of Enoch, which prophecies the whole of history in 10 weeks, with the final week being everlasting.

1Enoch Chapter 92 is very interesting... a section:

There are a bunch of Biblical parallels here.

The seventh week having a "perverse generation" matches well with the "wicked and adulterous generation" of the New Testament. The "new heaven" fits well with Revelation's "new heaven and new earth."

Who cares whether some of the early Church fathers promoted it or not? What does that prove? It was an extra-biblical theory. Enough said!

 

[David in NJ]

Exactly! As i said: this is a non-corroborative theory. It invents an age between this age and the age to come that will never occur. It is based on a wrong reading of one chapter in the most symbolic setting in the whole of Scripture - three chapters before the end of the Bible.

You disregard God's Word, therefore you cannot SEE

Evidence #1 : You disregard the LITERAL account of Creation in Genesis and "the world that THEN was", whereby Mankind lived for over 930 years but could not complete the LITERAL 1,000 Years due to SIN.

Evidence #2 : Revelation chapter 20 is Literal

 

[shepherdsword]

As we already know, Amils insist the millennium pertains to the here and now.

What I am thinking is this, though. There are 7 days in a week and that the 8th day is always a new beginning of a new week.

Sunday--day 1 of the week
Monday--day 2 of the week
Tuesday--day 3 of the week
Wednesday--day 4 of the week
Thursday--day 5 of the week
Friday--day 6 of the week
Saturday--day 7 of the week
Sunday--day 1 of a new week, thus 8 days later.

By Amils insisting that the millennium is now and that when Christ returns the new and final beginning of a new era commences, they are implying that day 7 is a new beginning not day 8. Except day 7 can't be a new beginning if it is the end of the week rather than the beginning of a new week.

Apparently, if assuming days to be involving a thousand years, we are in day 6 since the fall of man. And that it is not logical that day 6 and day 7 can parallel one another. It can't be both at the same time. Which means their view is even more absurd than I initially thought, because, when Christ returns can't even be meaning the 7th day if they are already applying the 7th day to the here and now. And it for sure can't be meaning the 8th day since everyone already knows that 7 comes after 6, not 8.

I don't know what it is about some of these interpreters at times, that they can't even comprehend simple basic math? As if any week can only consist of 6 days rather than 7 days, and that 2 of these days are meaning the same day, meaning day 6 and 7 in this case, and that day 8 comes after day 6 rather than day 7. Nowhere in the Bible that I am aware of does day 7 ever mean a new beginning. But that doesn't even matter in this case since Amils are having day 6 and 7 run in parallel rather than following one another. Their view has to be one of the most absurd views there is, right up there along with Pretrib, for example. Not that Amil and Pretrib have anything in common theologically, but that both views are absurd and make no logical sense.

I don't agree with the Amills but I admit this is pretty weak reasoning. I am always on alert when people start using a form of numerology to arrive at truth. It's the same issue I have with the "bible codes". Both use a form of kabbalic gematria which I consider occult numerology. Even the Amills, with all of their misapplication of symbols and metaphors don't result to such tactics. I prefer to take scripture in it's literal context and only apply symbology when that is not possible. I cast off numerology altogether.

 

[Wick Stick]

Who cares whether some of the early Church fathers promoted it or not? What does that prove? It was an extra-biblical theory. Enough said!

It matters because the New Testament makes repeated references to it.

 

[WPM]

It matters because the New Testament makes repeated references to it.

How? Where?

 

[WPM]

You disregard God's Word, therefore you cannot SEE

Evidence #1 : You disregard the LITERAL account of Creation in Genesis and "the world that THEN was", whereby Mankind lived for over 930 years but could not complete the LITERAL 1,000 Years due to SIN.

Evidence #2 : Revelation chapter 20 is Literal

I have never disregarded the creation account. It does not prove or negate any eschatological position.

What has that to do with the return of Christ? You make so many obscure and irrelevant arguments. Obviously you are struggling to prove your case.

In the flood, all the wicked were destroyed. That is what is going to happen at the end.

 

[Wick Stick]

How? Where?

There are so many... a full answer to that would be a doctoral thesis. I don't have the time/space to do that right here.

I gave 2 examples in my previous post of the NT making reference to Enoch. If that isn't enough, I might recommend doing your own research. I'm sure somebody has already written that paper.

 

[WPM]

There are so many... a full answer to that would be a doctoral thesis. I don't have the time/space to do that right here.

I gave 2 examples in my previous post of the NT making reference to Enoch. If that isn't enough, I might recommend doing your own research. I'm sure somebody has already written that paper.

Enoch is not Scripture You obviously have nothing.

 

[rwb]

This STRAIGHFORWARD and SIMPLE sentence

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;
that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

a.) mystery
b.) Israel is in partial blindness
c.) UNTIL
d.) fulness of Gentiles comes in

Until what? The fullness of Gentiles has come in. Nowhere does Paul write then every ethnic Jew will be saved. In fact Paul says the exact opposite. Now is the day/age/time for man to be saved, and once the fullness of both Jews & Gentiles have been saved then shall come the end! Not more time for ethnic Jews to be saved!

Romans 9:27-29 (KJV) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

 

[rwb]

Right,but not yet in its fullness, as I said above. But it will be.

I agree! It will be when the last Gentile is saved, there will be no more to be saved. Ethnic Israel, like Gentiles MUST be saved in this the age of God's grace. Because when the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete when the fullness of the Gentiles has been saved, the seventh/last trumpet shall sound that the Kingdom is complete! All who have been ordained to eternal life will have been saved.

Not fully yet, but it is. I’m not sure why many have such a hard time with the idea that the spiritual is manifesting itself fully even in all that is physical. That’s just puzzling to me. But, it is what it is, and I say that with regard to both things in addressing here. On this earth.

I don't have a hard time understanding the Kingdom of God that NOW is and NOT of this world is not a physical Kingdom, it is the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that man who has been born again has already spiritually entered. The problem for so many is not being able to believe what cannot be physically seen. So, they doubt the Kingdom of God that Christ came to earth with just as Israel of Old also did. We must live by faith and not by sight.

It will. God is making all things new. One great day they will be, and then forevermore.

The Kingdom of God NOW being spiritually built in heaven as the gospel of the Kingdom is being proclaimed shall be physically upon the NEW EARTH, not this earth that is destined for destruction. Once the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, and the mortal, corruptible body of saints have been raised immortal & incorruptible then that which is NOW the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven when all things have been made new again, the Kingdom of God shall once more be on the NEW EARTH, and it shall be forever.

Grace & Peace to you also.

 

[rwb]

You got that from absolutist thinking of your flesh about the coming consuming fire destruction which Apostles Paul and Peter spoke of to end this present world age. That consuming fire event happens on the day of Christ's future return, on the "day of the Lord".

In 2 Peter 3, Peter gave examples of a previous destruction upon the earth by God using flood waters. If you believe he was pointing to the flood of Noah's day, let's speak of that. God did not 'totally' destroy the whole earth with the flood of Noah's day. Even the dove Noah sent upon the existing earth once the rains stopped brought back an olive branch that showed new plant growth upon the same ole' earth that was before. With this next coming destruction, but Peter says this next time will be with fire, it is going to do the same thing the flood waters did upon this earth, simply cleanse the earth's surface of man's works, not... totally destroy the whole earth into some asteroid belt.

That coming event of God's consuming fire on the day Jesus returns will NOT destroy all the wicked either. God's Word shows the wicked still existing after... Christ's future return. Do you recall Apostle Paul speaking of events on the "last trump" per 1 Cor.15? Paul said we all shall be 'changed' 'at the twinkling of an eye', and he was speaking of our flesh being suddenly cast off and our spiritual body being revealed, as fast as one can blink. That is how quick God's consuming fire is going to destroy man's works of this present world off this earth. Yet He is not going to throw away His creation.

God preserved the earth when the flood of Noah's day covered the globe. But every living creature upon the earth was utterly destroyed. It shall be the same in the end of this age when the fiery wrath of God comes down out of heaven to burn up every living creature upon the earth. Then the earth shall become new again. That's why it's called a NEW EARTH! Just as in the flood when the earth was cleansed by water, so too the fire sent down out of heaven from God will thoroughly cleanse the whole earth, that God will make all things new again. Nothing of this evil age shall remain alive when the fiery wrath of God is sent to utterly consume the entire globe. There won't be any wickedness left alive to once again bring the New Earth to ruin.

Genesis 7:21-22 (KJV) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Luke 17:26-27 (KJV) And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

 

[David in NJ]

Until what? The fullness of Gentiles has come in. Nowhere does Paul write then every ethnic Jew will be saved. In fact Paul says the exact opposite. Now is the day/age/time for man to be saved, and once the fullness of both Jews & Gentiles have been saved then shall come the end! Not more time for ethnic Jews to be saved!

Romans 9:27-29 (KJV) Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Romans chapters 9 & 10 declare that the nation of Israel rejected their MESSIAH and are currently lost in sin and death.

Chapter 11 declares: 'How' and When' and by 'Whom' the Jewish people will be restored and brought into the Body of Christ