Revelation 20: 5&6

[rebuilder 454]

the dark evil of pre-trib = always separates the Jew from the Gentile in CHRIST

There is and always has been One Called Out Assembly = the Church

Evil Paul separated them.
So I guess I will side with Paul no matter how evil you see the body of Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Evil Paul separated them.
So I guess I will side with Paul no matter how evil you see the body of Christ.

Paul never separated Jew from Gentile in Christ = NEVER

A.) Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

B.) For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

C.) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

the ABC's of the One Body of Christ​

 

[rebuilder 454]

Paul never separated Jew from Gentile in Christ = NEVER

A.) Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

B.) For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

C.) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

the ABC's of the One Body of Christ​

I guess you are allergic from romans 9-11.

Ahem ...the 2 covenants you say do not exist.

Now I see why , in your understanding, the 144,000 Jews are not Jews .

Just flat out ridiculous.

 

[David in NJ]

I guess you are allergic from romans 9-11.

Ahem ...the 2 covenants you say do not exist.

Now I see why , in your understanding, the 144,000 Jews are not Jews .

Just flat out ridiculous.

Only One Covenant brings Salvation

Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews .

That is flat-out anitchrist

 

[rebuilder 454]

Only One Covenant brings Salvation

Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews .

That is flat-out anitchrist

Lol.
Salvation is ONLY through Jesus.
That does not mean there are not 2 covenants.
The last covenant supercedes the first.
The first is NO LONGER valid.
It is SUPERCEDED.

THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST WILL BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH JESUS.
YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what is going on.

In your mind you think God is incorrect about bringing in the Jews according to Romans 9-11.

Because of that , you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIB.

The Jews ARE CURRENTLY WAITING ON THEIR MESSIAH.


THEIR MESSIAH IS REVEALED TO THEM IN REV 14;14.
THAT IS THEIR REDEMPTION.
IT IS THROUGH JESUS.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Only One Covenant brings Salvation

Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews .

That is flat-out anitchrist

QUOTE
""Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews .""

Rev 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

""...Out of the tribes of Israel ..""

You..."God is a liar"...." and you believe Him"""

Sad how you are so deceived.
All via that doctrine you bow down to.

 

[David in NJ]

Lol.
Salvation is ONLY through Jesus.
That does not mean there are not 2 covenants.
The last covenant supercedes the first.
The first is NO LONGER valid.
It is SUPERCEDED.

THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST WILL BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH JESUS.
YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what is going on.

In your mind you think God is incorrect about bringing in the Jews according to Romans 9-11.

Because of that , you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIB.

The Jews ARE CURRENTLY WAITING ON THEIR MESSIAH.


THEIR MESSIAH IS REVEALED TO THEM IN REV 14;14.
THAT IS THEIR REDEMPTION.
IT IS THROUGH JESUS.

Now you are applying NAZISM in your posts = accuse others of the sin that you are doing

 

[David in NJ]

QUOTE
""Now I SEE why , in your pre-fib blindness, you desperately need the symbolic number of 144,000 to be Jews .""

Rev 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

""...Out of the tribes of Israel ..""

You..."God is a liar"...." and you believe Him"""

Sad how you are so deceived.
All via that doctrine you bow down to.

JESUS Says "AFTER the Tribulation I Come"

Every person that says pre-trib is calling the LORD a liar.

144,000 is a symbolic number which you are blind to from the lie of pre-trib

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul never separated Jew from Gentile in Christ = NEVER

A.) Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

B.) For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

C.) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

the ABC's of the One Body of Christ​

paul even RE BUKED peter before them all FOR SEPERATING the jews From the gentiles .
SPOT ON RIGHT my freind . UNLEASH THE SCRIPTURES upon them . Man has literally destroyed much of christendom
and left it bruised and rotted

 

[David in NJ]

paul even RE BUKED peter before them all FOR SEPERATING the jews From the gentiles .
SPOT ON RIGHT my freind . UNLEASH THE SCRIPTURES upon them . Man has literally destroyed much of christendom
and left it bruised and rotted

Dwell on this my Brother

The Jews could not recognize/SEE their Messiah even though Moses and the OT prophets and the Psalms wrote of HIM

Today, 'christians' cannot recognize/SEE the Body of Christ even though Moses and the OT prophets and the Psalms wrote of Her.

They deny Christ's words
They deny the Apostles words
They deny the OT prophecies of Christ and His Bride that begins in Genesis

The spirit of error(anti-christ) has become the guest speaker in the 'churches'

 

[Marvelloustime]

paul even RE BUKED peter before them all FOR SEPERATING the jews From the gentiles .
SPOT ON RIGHT my freind . UNLEASH THE SCRIPTURES upon them . Man has literally destroyed much of christendom
and left it bruised and rotted

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Lol.
Salvation is ONLY through Jesus.
That does not mean there are not 2 covenants.
The last covenant supercedes the first.
The first is NO LONGER valid.
It is SUPERCEDED.

THE PEOPLE OF THE FIRST WILL BE BROUGHT IN THROUGH JESUS.
YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING of what is going on.

In your mind you think God is incorrect about bringing in the Jews according to Romans 9-11.

Because of that , you have NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE PURPOSE OF THE TRIB.

The Jews ARE CURRENTLY WAITING ON THEIR MESSIAH.


THEIR MESSIAH IS REVEALED TO THEM IN REV 14;14.
THAT IS THEIR REDEMPTION.
IT IS THROUGH JESUS.

hold and hang they head in shame my friend . But do not see this as hate speech or as an attack .
You wrote and said the JEWS are currently waiting on their messiah .
And yet they DENY JESUS THE CHRIST IS MESSIAH , OR WHY would they be waiting for their messiah .
NO SIR . to any an d to all , whe ther jew or whe ther gentile
HE who beleives NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THAT THE MESSIAH HAS INDEED already come ,
IS AN TI CHRIST . face facts and face them now .
THE MESSIAH that the unbeleiving jews are waiting for , OH ITS THE ONE that will come in his own name
AND THEROUGH Ecumenical interfaith and its peace , DES TROY many .
Many have sat for far too long under the isms of men , the dispensations of men , NOT U NDER CHRIST
AND NOT IN THEIR BIBLE for to learn for themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

Dwell on this my Brother

The Jews could not recognize/SEE their Messiah even though Moses and the OT prophets and the Psalms wrote of HIM

Today, 'christians' cannot recognize/SEE the Body of Christ even though Moses and the OT prophets and the Psalms wrote of Her.

They deny Christ's words
They deny the Apostles words
They deny the OT prophecies of Christ and His Bride that begins in Genesis

The spirit of error(anti-christ) has become the guest speaker in the 'churches'

dwell on what i just wrote to another . Who wrote and said THE JEWS are WAITING on their messiah .
I GUESS Folks have serious amnesia .
WHAT DID JOHN say about those WHO BELEIVE NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , that the MESSIAH has come .
HE IS ANTI CHRIST . THESE unbelieving jews might THINK they waiting for the MESSIAH
but what i say to one i say to all . IT WONT BE THE MESSIAH
and thought it will b e s een as the sav oir of humanity , IT BE ONLY AN TI CHRIST who by peace
DESTROYS MANY .
its like this generation is being set up FOR THIS . All the false doctrines and isms of men
of pre and of etc
IS actually now leading this people TO THE TOT AL WRONG ONE .

 

[Fred J]

5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of GOD and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Dear readers,

The scripture reads, 'first resurrection', and not, 'the resurrection', could it be there's a 'second resurrection' after the 'thousand years'?

Also it reads, 'But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished'.

In other words, there's no resurrection of the dead until the thousand years were finished?

We know the second coming of Jesus will be until the clouds, where the dead in Christ shall rise and the living, both will be changed, and taken up to meet Him in the clouds.

Therefore this is the 'first resurrection' which takes place after the Great Tribulation, where the church saints came out of it persecuted dead or alive.

Then His third coming with His angels on earth to confront the beast and kings of the earth, and their armies, who'll wage war.

Furthermore it reads, 'Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such second death hath no power'.

Looks like not all who are in Christ hath part in the first resurrection, as also relating to the parable, 'one will be taken while the other left behind' and the 'ten virgins'.

So the church left behind will face a thousand years, hence the second death hath power over them?

Thank you and shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

FYI

This is my given thread that i've posted from the beginning in regards Revelation 20:5&6.

Christ is the firstfruit of resurrection from the dead to life and ascended to Heaven, and seated on the right hand of the Majesty on High.

After that there's no resurrection of the dead to life and ascension to Heaven, even to the remnant of Israel saved by grace including the Apostle and the Israel church saints.

They are the 'fristfruit unto salvation in Christ' here on earth numbering 144,000 of them, besides the rest of Israel whom GOD consigned them to disobedience.

Even not the Gentiles next were saved equally by grace after them, when the Gospel came to the Gentiles and forth, until to the reign of anti-Christ in the Great Tribulation.

There were also saved by grace church saints during his reign, who have not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor received the mark on their forehead or hands.

And they are said to be of those who have come out of the Great Tribulation dead or alive, who also made it in the 'first resurrection' of the dead in Christ and the living.

Both will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and together they will be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.

And so shall they will ever be with the Lord in Heaven, as after this the rest of the dead rise not again to life until the thousand years were finished.

Therefore after the thousand years were finished, there will be a day where all the dead will rise again to life with the living on earth for the 'Final Judgment'.

Which will be conducted by Christ with His angels, as, there'll be those who resurrect unto life in Heaven and there'll be those who resurrect unto damnation in the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

As a result according to the wisdom given us, this is the 'second resurrection' of the dead with the living, who'll resurrect unto life or damnation.

For the record, there's no scripture to support there's separate rapture for the Israelites in Christ and the Gentiles in Christ.

Apostle Paul testified and witnessed about the 'first resurrection' of all in Christ, dead or alive, to the Thessalonians and Corinthians Gentile church.

He said, 'we', meaning, the remnant of Israelites saved by grace in Christ and the Gentiles saved by grace in Christ, who'll be included in the 'first resurrection'.

Peace be with you all in Jesus name

 

[rebuilder 454]

Now you are applying NAZISM in your posts = accuse others of the sin that you are doing

JESUS Says "AFTER the Tribulation I Come"

Every person that says pre-trib is calling the LORD a liar.

144,000 is a symbolic number which you are blind to from the lie of pre-trib

The 144,000 are vividly illustrated WHO THEY ARE.
Your defense against that fact;
" you are a nazi and the bible is a lie"

In all the years I have been debating postribber doctrine
1) every single one of you sends the debate into personal goofy attacks.
2) you are one of the worst.

How old are you?

 

[rebuilder 454]

hold and hang they head in shame my friend . But do not see this as hate speech or as an attack .
You wrote and said the JEWS are currently waiting on their messiah .
And yet they DENY JESUS THE CHRIST IS MESSIAH , OR WHY would they be waiting for their messiah .
NO SIR . to any an d to all , whe ther jew or whe ther gentile
HE who beleives NOT JESUS IS THE CHRIST , THAT THE MESSIAH HAS INDEED already come ,
IS AN TI CHRIST . face facts and face them now .
THE MESSIAH that the unbeleiving jews are waiting for , OH ITS THE ONE that will come in his own name
AND THEROUGH Ecumenical interfaith and its peace , DES TROY many .
Many have sat for far too long under the isms of men , the dispensations of men , NOT U NDER CHRIST
AND NOT IN THEIR BIBLE for to learn for themselves .

Most everyone knows the Jews are waiting for their messiah.

Their sin is not knowing who Jesus is.

They are waiting for a Messiah that has already come.

By not understanding the 2 wives and romans 9-11, end times will be a shallow study.

Just look at all the members in here that blenderize that dynamic and RENAME, REFRAME , that dynamic.

It is beyond simple...but they totally miss it.

 

[David in NJ]

The 144,000 are vividly illustrated WHO THEY ARE.
Your defense against that fact;
" you are a nazi and the bible is a lie"

In all the years I have been debating postribber doctrine
1) every single one of you sends the debate into personal goofy attacks.
2) you are one of the worst.

How old are you?

AGREE = The 144,000 are vividly illustrated WHO THEY ARE. = AGREE

This is exactly what JESUS and the apostles are trying to get you to SEE

Currently you are blinded by pre-fib and your mind only sees the flesh.

 

[amigo de christo]

Most everyone knows the Jews are waiting for their messiah.

Their sin is not knowing who Jesus is.

They are waiting for a Messiah that has already come.

By not understanding the 2 wives and romans 9-11, end times will be a shallow study.

Just look at all the members in here that blenderize that dynamic and RENAME, REFRAME , that dynamic.

It is beyond simple...but they totally miss it.

Friend just look around in here and in most places in christendome.
WHEN you do
REMEMEBER THIS .
GOD is TRUTH , HIS WORD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT is TRUTH . And TRUTH only TESTIFIES OF TRUTH
and not a lie .
So tell me . WHO DID THE FATHER TESTIFY OF,
FOR it is the same the SPIRIT would surely have testified of
AND remember the SPIRIT would not omit HIS WORDS or any words of TRUTH .
TO DARN SURE INCLUDE BELEIF ON HIM .
WHY , WOE WOE WOE , WHY am i seeing many
now following a broad path that darn sure DOES NOT TESTIFY of THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
does not remind or warn , AS DID JESUS , as DID the apostels
OF THE SORE DAMANTION that shall come upon those who REJECTED HIM and failed TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
NO , all i see is a huge melting pot which implies Its okay to BELEIVE , BUT NOT NECESSARY TO BELEIVE .
WHAT A LIE and most seem to love this lie .
BUT SHOW ME where JESUS EVER ONCE said HEY you can beleive if you like BUT ITS NOT NECESSARY .
AND I WLL SHOW YOU THE JESUS who said this to those who beleived not
ITS GONNA BE WORSE FOR YOU THAN EVER IT WAS FOR SODOM on the day OF JUDGMENT .
I will show you where peter warned
and said BEWARE lest that come upon you which is written
BEHOLD wonder and PERISH , yeah pERISH , for i work a work in your days
that you will not beleive though a man declare it UNTO YOU . AND i darn sure seen serious warnings
from paul too . SO always remember THE GOD TESTIFIED ON THE SON
THE SPIRIT WHICH IS TRUTH , TESTIFIES ON THE SON who IS THE TRUTH THE WAY AND THE LIFE .
Just a friendly reminder to all our ecumincal in tefaithers , FOR THEY ARE ALL HEADED RIGHT INTO THE SNARE
of the LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Most everyone knows the Jews are waiting for their messiah.

Their sin is not knowing who Jesus is.

They are waiting for a Messiah that has already come.

By not understanding the 2 wives and romans 9-11, end times will be a shallow study.

Just look at all the members in here that blenderize that dynamic and RENAME, REFRAME , that dynamic.

It is beyond simple...but they totally miss it.

Just like with rebellious israel of old
So too does this generation of christendom
now say AWAY with THE GOD OF ISRAEL , away WITH that JESUS
give us smooth things for to hear and to beleive .
As for THIS JESUS he has been gone a long time
and we know not what has come of him .
As they now ask the pastors and leader s and peoples
to make a inclusive godlen bull of interfaith ecumenicism
and dance to the song of its lies .
Not knowing that while they dance to the song of its promise of peace n safety to come,
SUDDEN DESTRUCTION shall come upon them all and they will not escape .
BIBLE Time in the house and let us learn the TRUTH well .

 

[rebuilder 454]

AGREE = The 144,000 are vividly illustrated WHO THEY ARE. = AGREE

This is exactly what JESUS and the apostles are trying to get you to SEE

Currently you are blinded by pre-fib and your mind only sees the flesh.

The bible says the 144,000 are an exact number out of Jewish/ Hebrew tribes and are firstfruit messianic Jews.

You say they are not, then call your challenger names.

Not even realizing they, and the main harvest Jews of rev14:14 are in heaven , GATHERED BEFORE YOUR 1 BIBLE VERSE OF "AFTER THE TRIB" (WHICH IS REV 19 SECOND COMING ON HORSES), and you are oblivious that you placed THE DEAD IN CHRIST raised AFTER THE LIVING of 1 thes 4.

You really serious????
You defend that 1 thes 4 is NOT THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISING BEFORE ANY LIVING BELIEVERS?????

YOU ARE TOTALLY UNAWARE OF THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF YOUR POSITION.

Your position of "one coming in Rev 19" is in DIRECT CONFLICT wit 1 thes 4 dead in christ rising first.
YOUR DOCTRINE makes the bible a confused lie.

I know you can not grasp what I just exposed in your doctrine.
You will not investigate.
You will keep saying the dead in christ rise after the living of rev 14.

Nothing will sway you out of that horrible false doctrine.