8 days, the 8th day leading to a new beginning.

[1stCenturyLady]

Where does Paul write the blindness in part shall be removed?

"until"

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Please re-examine Daniel chapter 9 again in the Light of the Gospel and Hebrews and 1st & 2nd Thessalonians

Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; = 69
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

I misread your post. I saw 70 AD, not "the 70th week" as being the last week. So, yes, it is the Great Tribulation. Daniel 12 goes into more detail.

 

[PinSeeker]

And? That does not suggest after that is over then there is going to be a time of Jewish salvation. That occurs as the Gentiles come in. The sign of the end is the nations will all hear, then comes the end.

Ah, an interesting point… I do agree, WPM, that the two are happening simultaneously, but I also think that there will be a time when large numbers of ethnic Jews will come to Christ in a very short period of time, and that will be an indication that the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in and Christ’s return is very close. Now, how close that time is we cannot know.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[David in NJ]

I misread your post. I saw 70 AD, not "the 70th week" as being the last week. So, yes, it is the Great Tribulation. Daniel 12 goes into more detail.

How is the last week the 70th when the Scripture is CLEAR that Messiah is crucified in the 70th week.

AFTER 69 weeks MESSIAH will be "cur-off" - crucified

 

[David in NJ]

"until"

Amazing how Truth stands UP when we read carefully.

 

[Davy]

God preserved the earth when the flood of Noah's day covered the globe. But every living creature upon the earth was utterly destroyed. It shall be the same in the end of this age when the fiery wrath of God comes down out of heaven to burn up every living creature upon the earth. Then the earth shall become new again. That's why it's called a NEW EARTH! Just as in the flood when the earth was cleansed by water, so too the fire sent down out of heaven from God will thoroughly cleanse the whole earth, that God will make all things new again. Nothing of this evil age shall remain alive when the fiery wrath of God is sent to utterly consume the entire globe. There won't be any wickedness left alive to once again bring the New Earth to ruin.

Yes, but that is different than claiming God is going to literally destroy this earth totally by what Peter said in 2 Peter 3. So even phrases like 'utterly consume the entire globe' suggests a total destruction of the earth into like an asteroid belt, when that is not the idea in Scripture; only the earth's surface. This earth is forever, like it says in the Psalms.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

How is the last week the 70th when the Scripture is CLEAR that Messiah is crucified in the 70th week.

AFTER 69 weeks MESSIAH will be "cur-off" - crucified

No He's not. How do you count the Messiah as being crucified in the 70th week?

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

There is one more week for the Jews. The 70th week is in the future, and chapter 12 goes into it further.

 

[WPM]

Ah, an interesting point… I do agree, WPM, that the two are happening simultaneously, but I also think that there will be a time when large numbers of ethnic Jews will come to Christ in a very short period of time, and that will be an indication that the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in and Christ’s return is very close. Now, how close that time is we cannot know.

Grace and peace to you.

I cannot disagree. I just do not know. Romans 11:23: “And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able (dunatos) to graft them in again.”

First of all: this is a conditional promise. The writer here qualifies this important statement by saying “if.” This begs the question: “if” what? He then goes on to explain: “if they do not continue in unbelief.” Now, this is not a unique promise! It is a conditional promise that lies at the feet of every single nation throughout the world since the cross.

Israel is not prohibited from being integrated into the global body of Christ. They can be grafted into the good olive tree. The Gospel can once again be heard throughout the breath of the much-diminished country, but they must bow the knee to Jesus Christ in repentance when God speaks. No one can say with any credence that God is finished with Israel.

 

[Davy]

Ah, an interesting point… I do agree, WPM, that the two are happening simultaneously, but I also think that there will be a time when large numbers of ethnic Jews will come to Christ in a very short period of time, and that will be an indication that the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in and Christ’s return is very close. Now, how close that time is we cannot know.

Grace and peace to you.

However, Jesus showed in Luke 23 the daughters of Jerusalem, representing the unbelieving Jews, will be wishing for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us", because of their shame. When will that be, and what will be the source of their shame when Jesus appears coming in the clouds? Do I really need to spell it out?

What that reveals is the unbelieving Jews going into the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world, will remain... in unbelief all the way to the day of Christ's 2nd coming when they will see Him. And that is when they will mourn for Him, and in shame. If it were going to be the other way around, like you are suggesting, that Paul's fullness of the Gentiles is completed prior... to Christ's coming, then the deceived Jews that convert to Jesus just before He comes would not appear in 'shame'.

And Lord Jesus gave that shame warning to all His Church about not being deceived about the day of His future coming. (See Revelation 16:15). And I shall declare why...

It's about false worship to the first supernatural Messiah that comes claiming to be Christ. That first one that will appear in Jerusalem first, working the great signs and wonders Lord Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:23-26, will be an imposter. Those who are deceived by that imposter will appear in 'shame' when Jesus Christ does return to destroy that false one.

 

[PinSeeker]

In this matter we are discussing, I am concerned for your soul, and that's it.

Well, thank you, and I for you. But our view of the end times will not have any effect on the salvation of our souls. We are repenting of our sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and rest on Him alone for our salvation, having been born again of the Spirit, saved through grace of God according to the purpose of God, and therefore are secure in Christ… even seated with Him in the heavenly places.

I'm not looking for any other thing, not to pump myself up, not to try and be a know it all, etc.

Hmmmmmm… <smile> But okay, fair enough.

If there exists only one verse that counters that idea that Jesus is now reigning from the right hand of The Father's throne in Heaven, then it means you have missed something in God's written Word...

Well, right, but we are told explicitly, in no uncertain terms, that this is indeed the case:

Mark 16:19 ~ “So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.”

Luke 22:69 ~ “But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Acts 2:33-36 ~ “Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus Whom you crucified.”

I think you’re plenty smart enough to, Davy, to fully grasp what it means for Christ Jesus, even right now, to be seated at the right hand of God. His work of redemption is complete, and He is seated as King and in judgment over all. But for one reason or another… or several, maybe… you either don’t or won’t or both. And as for us now? Well, remember what Paul says in Romans 5:17: “For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one Man Jesus Christ.”

Again, His millennial reign may not look like we want it to look and/or think it should look - as in no more sin or death - but maybe there’s a higher purpose (to put it very mildly) being carried out right now, greater really than we can even grasp, even as we speak, by God… all three Persons of the triune Godhead.

Penultimately speaking, this is exactly what the Jews thought so long ago, that the Messiah would come and conquer all their enemies, and they would finally have perfect peace. Well, He did come, and He did win, but by surrendering and dying the most humiliating death… hung on a tree (the cross).

Even so, since then, even through sin and death, the final victory, which was ensured by Christ on the cross, even with each and every death of His saints, is being made more and more, increasingly, complete. And this is steadily advancing toward its ultimate completion, which will be when Christ returns.

Heb 10:12-13. …that term "expecting" …the presence of that word shows Christ's reign must include over ALL nations, and not just the Christian nations

Hebrews 10:12 ~ “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God…”

There it is again, by the way… <smile>

I’ll just say one thing here, although it is to be coupled intensely with what I have said to this point, that there is both a ‘now’ and a ‘not yet’ to all this that, again, you just won’t take hold of, for one reason or another, but… it is what it is.

Well, two… the final Judgment is yet to come, of course, but it will; we are expecting… see what I did there? <smile>… it.

Christ's reign must include over ALL nations, and not just the Christian nations….

And it does; there are no “Christian nations.” Not in the sense you mean that in, anyway. But yes, there is a Christian nation… it is called Israel, and is the household of God, and includes people of all tongues, tribes, and people groups, and is being built by God even as we speak. <smile>

In Revelation 2, Jesus promised His elect they would reign with Him over the nations with that "rod of iron".

And we are; as Paul says in Ephesians 2:5-6, we have been “made… alive together with Christ ~ by grace (we) have been saved ~ and raised… up with Him and seated… with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus…”

So we should just trust God, and let Him protect us from deception?

Well, yes, this is our faith in action. But surely not in any passive sense or of doing nothing, right?

You should wake up to the Biblical fact that God is allowing... these events for the end by Satan to happen.

This is pretty much exactly what I said in my previous post, Davy. So yes, we agree on at least this one thing. <smile>

Why?

Everything God does is for His own glory. And you agree with this I think… but also that we may glory in Him. Yes?

You apparently have not yet come to an understanding of God's overall Plan of Salvation with how it also involves a negative side…

Well, negative from our perspective, yes. Which, again, is what I’ve been saying. So obviously I have, because this is what I’ve been saying.

There's many more OT Scripture evidence of how God uses... evil for His Own Purpose of His Plan for this present world… Thus God uses evil for this present world, and allows Satan and his host to do so also, all in working towards His ultimate Plan of Salvation.

Absolutely. And why is He able to do this? <smile> Because… He… reigns… <smile> he always has, and He always will.

…when Satan fell, God ended that time of old, and brought this present 2nd world earth age…

Goodness gracious. <chuckles>

You’re an interesting person, Davy. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[rwb]

"until"

It doesn't say until the blindness is lifted then all ethnic Israel shall be saved. It says, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Gentiles of faith together with Israel of faith is the manner in which "all Israel shall be saved." Clearly not ethnic Israel in partial blindness, rather the Israel of God that is of both Jews and Gentiles together in the same good olive tree.

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

You're trying to reckon salvation according to ethnicity, but Paul says the true Jew (Israel) is not the one circumcised outwardly in the flesh, but he who is circumcised inwardly of the heart, in the Spirit.

Romans 2:28-29 (KJV) For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Philippians 3:3 (KJV) For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

[rwb]

Yes, but that is different than claiming God is going to literally destroy this earth totally by what Peter said in 2 Peter 3. So even phrases like 'utterly consume the entire globe' suggests a total destruction of the earth into like an asteroid belt, when that is not the idea in Scripture; only the earth's surface. This earth is forever, like it says in the Psalms.

I don't claim that! That is what the Bible says! That's why I said just as the global flood waters cleansed the earth, so too the global fire from heaven shall also.

 

[PinSeeker]

However, Jesus showed in Luke 23 the daughters of Jerusalem, representing the unbelieving Jews, will be wishing for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and for the hills to, "Cover us", because of their shame. When will that be, and what will be the source of their shame when Jesus appears coming in the clouds?

<chuckles> I mean yeah, but all unbelievers…

Do I really need to spell it out?

Um… no. <smile>

…the unbelieving Jews going into the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world, will remain... in unbelief all the way to the day of Christ's 2nd coming when they will see Him.

At Christ’s second coming, the time of tribulation will be over. The fullness of the Gentiles will have been brought into God’s Israel and the partial hardening now on Israel removed, and thus all God’s Israel will have been saved. This is what will bring this time of tribulation to a close and prompt Christ’s second coming.

If it were going to be the other way around, like you are suggesting, that Paul's fullness of the Gentiles is completed prior... to Christ's coming, then the deceived Jews that convert to Jesus just before He comes would not appear in 'shame'.

Anyone… Jew or Gentile… who converts to Christ… is born again of the Spirit and therefore raised with Him and seated with Him in the heavenly places… and thus in Christ… will not “appear in”… or be put to… shame.

And Lord Jesus gave that shame warning to all His Church about not being deceived about the day of His future coming… Those who are deceived by that imposter will appear in 'shame' when Jesus Christ does return to destroy that false one.

Well sure.

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

 

[PinSeeker]

I cannot disagree. I just do not know.

Fair enough.

Israel is not prohibited from being integrated into the global body of Christ. They can be grafted into the good olive tree.

Of course. And many ~ not all ~ will be.

No one can say with any credence that God is finished with Israel.

Right. His Israel. Right.

Grace and peace!

 

[WPM]

I'm not conceited with Biblical matters when I'm shown I've missed something or am proven wrong. That's not the time to play, 'you win this time, I'll win next time.' This isn't a game of politics. In this matter we are discussing, I am concerned for your soul, and that's it. I'm not looking for any other thing, not to pump myself up, not to try and be a know it all, etc.



If there exists only one verse that counters that idea that Jesus is now reigning from the right hand of The Father's throne in Heaven, then it means you have missed something in God's written Word...

Heb 10:12-13
12 But this man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
KJV

If that term "expecting" hadn't been there in that verse, one could agree more with your perspective on Christ's reign. But the presence of that word shows Christ's reign must include over ALL nations, and not just the Christian nations. No one can even claim that He is now ruling over the 'unbelieving' Jews! and that's a big dent in the theory of men you are following.

Rev 19:14-16
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And He hath on His vesture and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
KJV

In Revelation 2, Jesus promised His elect they would reign with Him over the nations with that "rod of iron". Like the question @Davidpt brought up, are we as Christians now reigning over nations like North Korea; or over Red China, Communist Russia, Cuba, Iran, Syria, etc.? The answer of course is a big fat NO. So the "rod of iron" prophecy is a huge tell-tell sign, unless you think that "rod of iron" is meant for Christians, which would be way in outer-space speculation, and an idea not written in God's Word at all.

• 1 Timothy 1:17 describes Christ as “the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God.”
• Hebrews 1:3 tells us that Jesus is currently “upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high.”
• 1 Timothy 6:15 declares the supreme authority and exalted power of Christ, stating, “I give thee charge in the sight of God ... and before Christ Jesus ... who is the blessed and only Potentate [Gr. dunastes meaning mighty ruler or great authority], the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”
• Jesus testified in Matthew 28:18 that “All power [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] is given unto me in heaven and in earth.” How much more power or authority can He possess than all power and authority?
• Jesus testified in John 5:26-27: “[God] hath given him [Jesus] authority [Gr. exousia or right, privilege and authority] to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
• Jesus is a ruler [Gr. archon] who rules. Acts 5:30-31 confirms: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus ... Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince [Gr. archon or ruler] and a Saviour.” Rules over what? Over all creation (Revelation 3:14). He is majestic, supreme and unchallenged in His power and authority, ruling over all creation.
• Christ “is the head of all principality and power” (Colossians 2:10).
• Ephesians 1:20 tells us that God hath “raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion."
• The “angels and authorities and powers [are] being made subject unto him,” (1 Peter 3:22 says) now.
• Christ is ruler over the kings of the earth now (Revelation 1:5).
• Christ reigns over all His enemies now and will finally subdue them when He returns (1 Corinthians 15:25-28).
• 1 Corinthians 15:25-28 and Ephesians 1:20-23 tells us that Christ “hath put (aorist active indicative) all things under his feet.”
• Jesus has spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it (the cross)" (Colossians 2:115).
• Hebrews 1:8 tells us that “thou hast put all things in subjection’ (aorist active indicative) under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him." There you have it!
• Christ currently “openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth" (Revelation 3:7).

 

[David in NJ]

No He's not. How do you count the Messiah as being crucified in the 70th week?

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

There is one more week for the Jews. The 70th week is in the future, and chapter 12 goes into it further.

God Says "70 weeks were Determined to put an end to sin"

After the 62(+7) is the 70th week when MESSIAH is cut off

 

[David in NJ]

No He's not. How do you count the Messiah as being crucified in the 70th week?

There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;

There is one more week for the Jews. The 70th week is in the future, and chapter 12 goes into it further.

P.S. = there is no Scripture that states "one more week for the Jews" = false man-made narrative

 

[1stCenturyLady]

P.S. = there is no Scripture that states "one more week for the Jews" = false man-made narrative

In Daniel 12, Gabriel is talking about the true end of the world, and it is the last week of Daniel 9, after 70 AD. Many believe that last week in Daniel 9 has to do with the crucifixion of Jesus, but that is before 70 A.D.

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”

9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

 

[David in NJ]

In Daniel 12, Gabriel is talking about the true end of the world, and it is the last week of Daniel 9, after 70 AD. Many believe that last week in Daniel 9 has to do with the crucifixion of Jesus, but that is before 70 A.D.

8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”

9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.

11 “And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

13 “But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

Daniel chapter 9 Says 70 weeks are DETERMINED for MESSIAH to make an End of Sin = Dan 9:24-27

JESUS completed the 70th week when on the Cross Saying: "It is FINISHED/COMPLETED"

Daniel 12:1-3 is the "LAST DAY" prophesied by Christ = In the LAST DAY, Christ Returns for the Resurrection of the Saints

Daniel 12:1-3 is the OT prophecy/prelude to Matthew chapter 24 and Revelation chapter 12 where Michael defeats Satan

“At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. = same as Revelation 12:7-9 below
There will be a time of distress, the likes of which will not have occurred from the beginning of nations until that time.
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.

And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness will shine like the stars forever and
ever.

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

JESUS Returns at the LAST DAY = Gospel = John 6:44
Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves.
No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Davy]

Well, thank you, and I for you. But our view of the end times will not have any effect on the salvation of our souls. We are repenting of our sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and rest on Him alone for our salvation, having been born again of the Spirit, saved through grace of God according to the purpose of God, and therefore are secure in Christ… even seated with Him in the heavenly places.

Wrong. These times at the end we are in today has everything to do with the salvation of our souls, because what is getting ready to happen with this coming 'supernatural' false-Messiah playing Jesus has never... happened in this present world. This cat isn't going to be like the previous empire heads. This one is going to have the power to work supernatural miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's very elect. Many in the Church are going to be deceived, and when true Jesus Christ comes, He will turn them away.

Well, right, but we are told explicitly, in no uncertain terms, that this is indeed the case:

Mark 16:19 ~ “So then the Lord Jesus, after He had spoken to them, was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.”

Luke 22:69 ~ “But from now on the Son of Man shall be seated at the right hand of the power of God.”

Acts 2:33-36 ~ “Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing. For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’ Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus Whom you crucified.”

In that Acts 2:33-36 Scripture, a popular one often quoted to try... and prove that Christ is now reigning, that part I put in red points is about Christ's future literal reign over the nations that begins at His 2nd coming. That "until" is a condition based on a future reign.

I think you’re plenty smart enough to, Davy, to fully grasp what it means for Christ Jesus, even right now, to be seated at the right hand of God. His work of redemption is complete, and He is seated as King and in judgment over all. But for one reason or another… or several, maybe… you either don’t or won’t or both. And as for us now? Well, remember what Paul says in Romans 5:17: “For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one Man Jesus Christ.”

One must follow the 'context' of Bible Scripture when that idea of 'redemption' is being mentioned. In Luke 21:28 Jesus used it about the day of His future 2nd coming when He will redeem His Church. Apostle Paul uses it in Romans 8:23 about the redemption of our body (our "spiritual body"). But in Romans 3:24-25 and Ephesians 1:7 Paul uses it about the remission of sins for the believer. Yet in Ephesians 1:13-14 Paul uses redemption as "the redemption of the purchased possession", which again is about the future return of Lord Jesus and our literal redemption in the world to come.

In other words, men' doctrines like to do a 'play' on words, defining them how they want instead of keeping to the Bible context. Christ Jesus as our redeemer is ultimately about His 2nd coming and our gathering to Him.

Again, His millennial reign may not look like we want it to look and/or think it should look - as in no more sin or death - but maybe there’s a higher purpose (to put it very mildly) being carried out right now, greater really than we can even grasp, even as we speak, by God… all three Persons of the triune Godhead.

You've missed what Revelation 20 actually says, because the end of sin and death does not happen during the future Millennial reign by Christ and His elect. Only when the wicked are finally destroyed at the Final Judgment does death, the abode of hell, and the wicked, perish into the "lake of fire". While the wicked are still here, it is NOT new heavens and a new earth timing yet. The wicked shall not 'see' the new heavens and a new earth. Because God's Word contains Scripture showing the wicked will still... exist AFTER Christ's future return, that proves that time cannot be the new heavens and new earth. It's as simple as that.

Penultimately speaking, this is exactly what the Jews thought so long ago, that the Messiah would come and conquer all their enemies, and they would finally have perfect peace. Well, He did come, and He did win, but by surrendering and dying the most humiliating death… hung on a tree (the cross).

That's just another play on words from men's doctrines. If you're going to speak of Christ's 1st coming, which was to be meek as the Lamb Slain to die on the cross to defeat sin and the devil, then you have to also mention His future 2nd coming with a sword and His "rod of iron" when His 'literal' physical Kingdom will... be established upon this earth, as written. You apparently have not noticed Revelation 19 that shows Christ's 2nd coming will not be like His 1st coming meek as a Lamb.

Even so, since then, even through sin and death, the final victory, which was ensured by Christ on the cross, even with each and every death of His saints, is being made more and more, increasingly, complete. And this is steadily advancing toward its ultimate completion, which will be when Christ returns.

That's still a type of 'play' on words, because Lord Jesus at His 1st coming said His Kingdom is not of this world, meaning not of this present time, otherwise His servants would have fought to prevent His being crucified (John 18:36). His Kingdom is still future, is what He said. What Lord Jesus brought by His death on the cross was remission of the sins of those who believe, and His Promise of our redemption when He returns. The only part of His Kingdom that came at His 1st coming was the gift of The Holy Spirit, thus creating His Church on earth with the cross. That's why He said in Luke 17:21 that "the kingdom of God is within you." And it does mean inside us, by our spirit being "born again" by The Holy Spirit.

But with Christ's future 2nd coming, His Kingdom will then come in the 'physical', on earth, because back to this earth is where God's Word shows He is returning (Zechariah 14). And though men's doctrines don't like it, God's Word shows Jesus will inherit the throne of David which is an earthly throne that still exists on this earth to this day. There is still one of the house of David sitting upon it on earth today. Many are just willingly ignorant of it because of the propaganda by the "synagogue of Satan" against it (Genesis 49:10: Matthew 19:28).

Hebrews 10:12 ~ “But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God…”

There it is again, by the way… <smile>

Can't just leave out the next verse that goes with that...

Heb 10:13
13 From henceforth expecting till His enemies be made His footstool.
KJV

And then that above 13th verse goes with what Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor.15:25 that Christ MUST reign, until He hath put all His enemies under His feet. And then the 1 Cor.15:24 verse will then come into effect with the "end". That prophecy Paul is pulling from comes from Psalms 2 which shows Jesus as future King that The Father will set upon His holy hill Zion, in Jerusalem on earth.

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