Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Rockerduck]

I believe in the Trinity because I know the God exists 3 in one. I have been with all three in Spirit. The Father Himself is Spirit and cannot be seen, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit can be seen in Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the spokesman for all three, but only what Jesus tells Him to say.

 

[shepherdsword]

@shepherdsword I notice he uses the debunked variant of Jude 5. He is extremely biased. Name also means reputation in Hebrew and Greek.

Yeah, even the TR/KJV uses "Lord" However, the ESV uses "Jesus" I don't have a copy of the Bodmer Papyri but I suspect it probably uses a variant of "Joshua".

 

[Rockerduck]

Yeah, even the TR/KJV uses "Lord" However, the ESV uses "Jesus" I don't have a copy of the Bodmer Papyri but I suspect it probably uses a variant of "Joshua".

"Lord" was put in place instead of Yahweh, in the Old Testament. It was a compromise with a Jewish faction that didn't want the name of God used. The LSB bible uses Yahweh in every instance. The KJV uses Jesus where it is supposed to be. I don't know where you got your information.

 

[amigo de christo]

Failing and refusing the Commandment of God to worship Christ is anti-christ

@Berean @Wrangler @MonoBiblical

but david , david , are you telling me that ecumenical interfaith , WHICH DENIED LIVE ON STAGE
the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS , is of anti christ .
HOW BOUT I ANSWER THAT . YOU BET IT IS . JESUS has been sold out
and much of e ven christendom gives a care less . A CARE LESS david . A care less .
But b eleive me they gonna care ON HIS DAY . ONLY TOO LATE .

 

[Wrangler]

@shepherdsword I notice he uses the debunked variant of Jude 5. He is extremely biased. Name also means reputation in Hebrew and Greek.

I’m glad you brought up this conspiracy because everyone should be aware of the ongoing conspiracy at Biblegateway where they deliberately conflate capital-LORD with lowercase-Lord when copying and pasting the text.

Consider Psalm 110:1 (NLT)
The Lord said to my Lord

It should read The LORD said to my Lord, meaning YHWH said to Jesus …

 

[shepherdsword]

"Lord" was put in place instead of Yahweh, in the Old Testament. It was a compromise with a Jewish faction that didn't want the name of God used. The LSB bible uses Yahweh in every instance. The KJV uses Jesus where it is supposed to be. I don't know where you got your information.

I think you missed the point. We were speaking specifically about the Greek variants of Jude 5. There is no "Yahweh" and OT usage of "LORD" is not the issue.

 

[shepherdsword]

I’m glad you brought up this conspiracy because everyone should be aware of the ongoing conspiracy at Biblegateway where they deliberately conflate capital-LORD with lowercase-Lord when copying and pasting the text.

Consider Psalm 110:1 (NLT)
The Lord said to my Lord

It should read The LORD said to my Lord, meaning YHWH said to Jesus …

I think you also missed the point. We were speaking specifically about the Greek variants of Jude 5. There is no "Yahweh" and OT usage of "LORD" is not the issue. The three translations used are "Lord" "God" and "Jesus"

 

[David in NJ]

I’m glad you brought up this conspiracy because everyone should be aware of the ongoing conspiracy at Biblegateway where they deliberately conflate capital-LORD with lowercase-Lord when copying and pasting the text.

Consider Psalm 110:1 (NLT)
The Lord said to my Lord

It should read The LORD said to my Lord, meaning YHWH said to Jesus …

LORD to lord = YHWH said to David


Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay.
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”’

Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God/FATHER has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord(Yaweh) and Christ!”

 

[Wrangler]

I think you also missed the point. We were speaking specifically about the Greek variants of Jude 5. There is no "Yahweh" and OT usage of "LORD" is not the issue. The three translations used are "Lord" "God" and "Jesus"

I am fully capable of presenting a new and different point, tangentially related to conspiracy of text manipulation. Thanks.

Care to address the substance of my post?

 

[Marvelloustime]

but david , david , are you telling me that ecumenical interfaith , WHICH DENIED LIVE ON STAGE
the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS , is of anti christ .
HOW BOUT I ANSWER THAT . YOU BET IT IS . JESUS has been sold out
and much of e ven christendom gives a care less . A CARE LESS david . A care less .
But b eleive me they gonna care ON HIS DAY . ONLY TOO LATE .

@amigo de christo

 

[ProDeo]

* To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is explicitly in the Bible. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once!

But there is such a verse.

Joh 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Check for evidence.

 

[shepherdsword]

I am fully capable of presenting a new and different point, tangentially related to conspiracy of text manipulation. Thanks.

Ok, fine but at least get your facts straight when you do. There is no "conspiracy". BibleGateway uses “LORD” instead of “YHWH” because it displays the text exactly as each translation publishes it. In other words, BibleGateway is not making its own choice—they simply show what the translations themselves (KJV, NIV, ESV, NASB, etc.) already use.

The KJV uses “LORD” instead of “YHWH” because it follows a long-standing Jewish and Christian tradition of substituting a title for the divine name rather than pronouncing or printing the Tetragrammaton (YHWH).

As for Psalm 110:
The LORD (יְהוָה (YHWH) said to my Lord אדֹנִי (adoni)
No conspiracy

 

[amigo de christo]

But there is such a verse.

Joh 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Check for evidence.

hey ProDeo . lets look at those words in red again .
THEN know and understand clearly
WHY i been warning against ecumenical interrelgious diaogue interfaith .
THAT AINT WHAT They told the false religoins and christendom .
THEY SAID we all coming to GOD in different ways . THAT IN Fact the christain religoin
IS NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGOIN , MAKING JESUS OF NO EFFECT ,
And folks want to sit under THAT WHORE and her ecumenical messages . I WILL DIE FIRST . hear that .
I will die , and may i long be dead , before i find any kind of common ground between light and darkness
between Christ and anti christ , between GOD and satan . WE ARE BEING decieved my friend .
And the time is that any and all who name the name of JESUS
depart from any place that is in any way connected to ecumenicalism . I warned , so the blood of man IS NOT ON ME .

 

[amigo de christo]

LORD to lord = YHWH said to David


Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay.
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”’

Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God/FATHER has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord(Yaweh) and Christ!”

Trivia question
TWO PLUS TWO is f our . Do you beleive that . Of course you do .
NOW allow me to show us what many even in christ edom now beleive .
IF i asked them IS two plus two f our , they would probably say YES .
But if another comes along and says , No its five , or another says no its six .
They will all act LIKE THEIR ANSWERS ARE ALSO CORRECT . b ut tell me how can two plus two BE FOUR , FIVE , AND SIX .
THEY DO THIS WITH THE GOSPEL D AVID .
for they will say OH we BELEIVE IN JESUS
But when the circumst ances of the false religoins arise , WHO DARN SURE DO NOT BELIEVE HIM TO BE CHRIST
they will then say , HEY we all comi ng TO GOD differently .
THUS they dont really BELEIVE AT ALL . i mean the TRUTH does not contradict itself
SO anything but FOUR , IS TEH WRONG ANSWER . You cannot beleive in BOTH BELEIF and UNBELIEF
or all you ever truly beleived was UNBELIEF . satan is slick my f riend . But have you noticed
THAT THANKS BE TO GOD AND HIS CHRIST , the sheep aint buying into anything BUT THE TRUTH . yeah . JESUS HAS THE SHEEP
though hated they are and will b e in this world .

 

[amigo de christo]

But there is such a verse.

Joh 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Check for evidence.

 

[amigo de christo]

SO MUCH for the whores ecumenical in terfaith . Let no man buy the love of a harlot . Rather BUY THE TRUTH and sell HER NOT

 

[ProDeo]

hey ProDeo . lets look at those words in red again .
THEN know and understand clearly

The Jews understood Jesus was claiming He was God because they knew the OT, the prophet Isaiah specifically (see the link I gave). We (I am guilty as well) often lack that knowledge as our priority is on the NT.

 

[amigo de christo]

LORD to lord = YHWH said to David


Brothers, I can tell you with confidence that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.
But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. Foreseeing this, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that He was not abandoned to Hades, nor did His body see decay.
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Exalted, then, to the right hand of God, He has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. For David did not ascend into heaven, but he himself says:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”’

Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God/FATHER has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord(Yaweh) and Christ!”

Would you like to see a comparision between the true men of GOD
and those of today who do naught but preach finding common ground .
Lets look at things peter t old peoples that paul told the peoples .
T HINGS like BEWARE lest that come upon you which is written in the prophets
BEHOLD , wonder and PERISH for i work a work in your days that you will in NO WAY BELEIVE
though a man declare it unto you .
TODAYS in tefaithers say , BEHOLD, WONDER AND REJOICE cause we all serving the same GOD
so it dont matter if ya believe or DONT BELEIVE .
Or how about this
SEEING you count yourselves unworthy of EVERLASTING LIFE ,
today its OH it dont matter that you didnt beleive , HEY we all g ods kids , HEY All will be well no matter what religoin
you beleived , just do some good works and throw out some hugs and DONT EXPOSE SIN
and DONT HOLD A BIBLE .
DO we have problems in the house . OH YEAH WE DO . JESUS IS BEING DENIED
THE WORDS OF GOD are being cast out
and any one who tries to stand and contend for the truth
IS BEING CAST out as haters . OH the end is comi ng , AND WHEN I SAY many are gonna wail
OH M ANY are GONNA WAIL ON HIS DAY . JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . NOT GOOD .

 

[David in NJ]

Would you like to see a comparision between the true men of GOD
and those of today who do naught but preach finding common ground .
Lets look at things peter t old peoples that paul told the peoples .
T HINGS like BEWARE lest that come upon you which is written in the prophets
BEHOLD , wonder and PERISH for i work a work in your days that you will in NO WAY BELEIVE
though a man declare it unto you .
TODAYS in tefaithers say , BEHOLD, WONDER AND REJOICE cause we all serving the same GOD
so it dont matter if ya believe or DONT BELEIVE .
Or how about this
SEEING you count yourselves unworthy of EVERLASTING LIFE ,
today its OH it dont matter that you didnt beleive , HEY we all g ods kids , HEY All will be well no matter what religoin
you beleived , just do some good works and throw out some hugs and DONT EXPOSE SIN
and DONT HOLD A BIBLE .
DO we have problems in the house . OH YEAH WE DO . JESUS IS BEING DENIED
THE WORDS OF GOD are being cast out
and any one who tries to stand and contend for the truth
IS BEING CAST out as haters . OH the end is comi ng , AND WHEN I SAY many are gonna wail
OH M ANY are GONNA WAIL ON HIS DAY . JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . NOT GOOD .

This is why i posted about them not able to SEE the Body of Christ

Just as their fathers did not SEE the Christ and had Him crucified, so also will the followers of interfaith cry out:
"Do away with Her"

 

[Wrangler]

There is no "conspiracy". BibleGateway uses “LORD” instead of “YHWH”

That’s what you got out of my post? Bless your heart.

they deliberately conflate capital-LORD with lowercase-Lord when copying and pasting the text.

Consider Psalm 110:1 (NLT)
The Lord said to my Lord

It should read The LORD said to my Lord,