Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[MonoBiblical]

Then when asked his religion, the reply is:
I'M A UNITARIAN DEIST.

BTW, Christians also don't believe in Deism.
Which is why I AM CHRISTIAN would be an incorrect reply.

Do you even believe in peaceable free speech?

 

[HealthyShape]

Do you even believe in peaceable free speech?

Free speech does not mean that everything being said is true or valid.

 

[quietthinker]

Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?​

We come to Jesus with all sorts of muddled ideas, ie if we do come to him. It will depend on the influences which have shaped us which determine the nature of the muddle. If we are willing, the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth ....whatever it is.
If we have fixed ideas of how things are or should be and we insist on maintaining those ideas, the Sprit is hamstrung and various levels of ignorance follow wherever we go.

 

[NayborBear]

No J's in the scriptures.
We will never agree on this because I side with Yahweh on this one.
Yeshua is a God and the Messiah and our Savior...But Yahweh is God Almighty Supreme creator of all things and the Father of Yeshua.

No, GH?
There are more then several "Titles or Attributes (might even call these "offices")" of the "Government" that was/IS that which Yeshua Messiah "Bares on His Shoulders" that the Spirit of GOD who rose Jesus Christ of Nazareth from the dead has established.
Making the claim that these "Titles/Attributes/Offices" are individual Gods?
Is just not correct.
You can find these different names and titles/attributes/offices if you go to "Appendix #4"
Here:

Appendixes to The Companion Bible

Also referred to as the "Bullinger Bible."

 

[David Lamb]

Scripture does not say that Christ raised himself but that God raised him. Romans 10:9.

Yet Jesus Himself said:

“17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

 

[Grailhunter]

No, GH?
There are more then several "Titles or Attributes (might even call these "offices")" of the "Government" that was/IS that which Yeshua Messiah "Bares on His Shoulders" that the Spirit of GOD who rose Jesus Christ of Nazareth from the dead has established.
Making the claim that these "Titles/Attributes/Offices" are individual Gods?
Is just not correct.
You can find these different names and titles/attributes/offices if you go to "Appendix #4"
Here:

Appendixes to The Companion Bible

Also referred to as the "Bullinger Bible."

Posts 156-162

 

[MonoBiblical]

Free speech does not mean that everything being said is true or valid.

It means that even untrue things are open to public debate. The Good Samaritan was an obvious idolater. Why wasn't he condemned by Jesus?

 

[GodsGrace]

Agreed. This is the line of demarcation. Trinitarians wand to limit what it means to be a Christian to equal being a trinitarian. They call it orthodoxy.

I follow the plan text of Scripture, not what trinitarians tell me how I should interpret it 4 centuries later.

The title of this thread and world view should be those who don’t believe Jesus is God shouldn’t call themselves orthodox Christians.

The title CHRSITIAN implies orthodox Christian.
Orthodox means following a traditon or generally accepted rules of a religion or philosophy.
There is only ONE type of Christian.

They type that was accepted, in orthodoxy, by not only the Apostles but also by those who followed them and whose rules were from the beginning and continued till today.

Christianity has not changed its rules, its traditions, its orthodoxy.
It's the same today as it was 2 thousand years ago.

It is those who want to CHANGE Christianity that are not following orthodoxy.
Since Christianity is not going to change, it is those who are not willing to adhere to its rules that must find a different
definition for the religion they belong to.

Scripture was understood from the very beginning and was NOT changed centuries later.

The gospel of John was accepted as scripture from the beginning.

John said that the WORD was with God and was God.
John said that the WORD became flesh and dwelt among us.
John 1:1, 14

Perhaps the problem is that you do NOT believe John?

 

[Wrangler]

Yet Jesus Himself said:

“17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

As if that means the exact same thing as Jesus actually raising himself from the dead! I have the power to give my wife a cup of coffee. That does not mean the cup she is holding in her hand was given by me. Reading into this verse must be subordinated to the many verses that explicitly say God raised Jesus from the dead. It's actually a salvation issue. See Romans 10:9.

It's predictable that this thread devolved into debating the trinity. In an earlier post, someone pointed out trinitarians want to limit those who accept the trinity as orthodox Christians. This implies a class of Christians who are not orthodox, who do not accept the trinity. And we all know the real passion for the trinity is the man is God thesis. The IDOLATRY of the trinity is seen in the fact of the OP, trinitarians would rather people not follow Christ, not even call themselves Christian if they don't accept the trinity as a prerequisite. Why would followers of Jesus teach a message that Jesus himself did not teach?

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you even believe in peaceable free speech?

Are we not having a peaceful conversation?
Do you feel attacked or threatened?

I'm stating something I believe in very strongly...
I'm stating why.

I'm not attacking those that do not believe as I do.
I'm explaining to them why I believe them to be wrong and
why this is damaging to Christianity.

Do I have the right to free speech?

 

[GodsGrace]

Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?​

We come to Jesus with all sorts of muddled ideas, ie if we do come to him. It will depend on the influences which have shaped us which determine the nature of the muddle. If we are willing, the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth ....whatever it is.
If we have fixed ideas of how things are or should be and we insist on maintaining those ideas, the Sprit is hamstrung and various levels of ignorance follow wherever we go.

We come to Jesus with muddled ideas.
THIS is your statement.

So, is Christianity supposed to accept these muddled ideas?

Is Christianity a religion...a faith system?

Does a person join this religion...
or can it be changed to mean WHATEVER ANY person wants it to mean to suit THEIR understanding of it?

OR
Is it an already established religion with specific beliefs to which the person must adhere?

Can I be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection?
Can I be a Christian and not believe Jesus died to save me from my sins?
Can I be a Christian and believe in the Quran instead of the bible?

 

[Marvelloustime]

He is only partially right on things .
But his beleif is messed up big time .
I can tell you this much
if a war is declared , i bet that young man would run to the trenchs
and kill muslims .
But you are correct he is afraid that his country is changing and that fear is causing anger and hate to rise up in him .
I got good news . MY COUNTRY cannot be changed , it cannot be moved , ITS HEAVENLY
so i am gonna simply point folks to the KING of my country and preach the dire need to repent and beleive .
But remember this day my f riend .
Because if such exploits do occur an d the peoples
do rage against each other in the streets
THE IRON YOKE and its solution will come down by LAW and be enforced .
REMEMBER me on that day my friend . cause most of you all
are g onna be blaming men like me , cAUSE I wont bend the knee to the solution .
SO remember I NEVER did encourage dangerous things . BUT it wont ma tter, this converged ecumenical grouip
WILL SEE me as the problem and dangerous .

@amigo de christo

 

[GodsGrace]

As if that means the exact same thing as Jesus actually raising himself from the dead! I have the power to give my wife a cup of coffee. That does not mean the cup she is holding in her hand was given by me. Reading into this verse must be subordinated to the many verses that explicitly say God raised Jesus from the dead. It's actually a salvation issue. See Romans 10:9.

Please see my post no. 556

Where I stated the following:
BOTH GOD FATHER AND GOD SON RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD.

Here it is again:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Again,,,you are not familiar with Christian theology.

Both raised Jesus from the dead:
God Father
God Son raised Himself.

God Father raised Jesus:

Romans 10:9b
...and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


God Son raised Himself:

John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."


There is no contradiction...
because both Father and Son are God.
They have the same will, and the Son does what He sees the Father doing.
John 5:19

It's predictable that this thread devolved into debating the trinity. In an earlier post, someone pointed out trinitarians want to limit those who accept the trinity as orthodox Christians. This implies a class of Christians who are not orthodox, who do not accept the trinity. And we all know the real passion for the trinity is the man is God thesis. The IDOLATRY of the trinity is seen in the fact of the OP, trinitarians would rather people not follow Christ, not even call themselves Christian if they don't accept the trinity as a prerequisite. Why would followers of Jesus teach a message that Jesus himself did not teach?

It's wonderful that you want to follow A MERE MAN Wrangler.
You can follow Jesus.
This is good.

The problem is that you call yourself a Christian...
which you are not since you do not adhere to Christian tenets.

And it devolves into a thread about the Trinity because, at times, it becomes necessary to show you that Jesus DID
refer to Himself as God.


Matthew 26:63-66
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter * you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

66 what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!"


Questions:
Why did Caiaphas tear his robe?
What was the blasphemy punishable by death?

 

[amigo de christo]

Godhead is fine.
But non-Christians will not accept that either.

The problem is that they refuse to believe that Jesus is God.

The Trinity is only important because it explains HOW Jesus is God.
It can be called anything, but the word Trinity was accepted because it means THREE - TRI.

The word means nothing...
it's the concept that's important.
Every concept requires a name.

We have a whole entire language since the invention of the computer.
I don't see anyone complaining that it shouldn't be called THE WEB,,,
or THE MOUSE.

The words just represent something that is true,
and ACCEPTED by those that use computers.

Any guesses on why there has been such an uptick against the diety of Christ .
They had to merge the religoins . SEEING the diety of CHRIST is a major NO NO for muslims .
SO there it is . They had to break down the diety of Christ
and form at most another jesus very simliar to what the o ther religoins will simply
accept as just another prophet of God . ITs all been a sham my friend

 

[HealthyShape]

It means that even untrue things are open to public debate.

No, untrue things can be ignored or dismissed as nonsense. Or fought against. Not everything is open to debate.

The Good Samaritan was an obvious idolater.

Proof?

Why wasn't he condemned by Jesus?

Because that was not the point of the illustration.

 

[GodsGrace]

Any guesses on why there has been such an uptick against the diety of Christ .
They had to merge the religoins . SEEING the diety of CHRIST is a major NO NO for muslims .
SO there it is . They had to break down the diety of Christ
and form at most another jesus very simliar to what the o ther religoins will simply
accept as just another prophet of God . ITs all been a sham my friend

Galatians 1:6-8
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting * Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only * there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

 

[GodsGrace]

Any guesses on why there has been such an uptick against the diety of Christ .
They had to merge the religoins . SEEING the diety of CHRIST is a major NO NO for muslims .
SO there it is . They had to break down the diety of Christ
and form at most another jesus very simliar to what the o ther religoins will simply
accept as just another prophet of God . ITs all been a sham my friend

Yes, I do have an idea.
If we declare Jesus to not be God,,,
then we are destroying Christianity...
which stands or falls on the Person of Jesus and who He was and is.

If Jesus is not God...
Christianity fails.
Christianity falls.

 

[amigo de christo]

Galatians 1:6-8
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting * Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;
7 which is really not another; only * there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

Very very and very true this is my friend .
which is now why i must bring this back up again .
WHY on earth is anyone still seated in any ecumenical interfaith church .
WO ULD you LIKE TO KNOW what its leaders said .
And more than once and this was not hid in a corner , BUT on stages and for all to see .
LETS HEAR what these so called men of GOD
said to christendome as well as all the false religions .
THEN YOU TELL ME , dOES THAT SOUND like THE One TRUE GOPSEL of YE MUST BELEIVE
or do it sound like a gospel of anti christ .
READ FOR YOURSELF .
As the great leaders of ecumincal interfaith interreligoius finding common ground
said ,
TO all religoins , Our GOD is no better than your GOD . WE are simply all coming to the same GOD
in different ways . Our religoin is not better than yours or anyones religoin .
EXCUSE ME . wait , HOLD THE REIGNS . DID YA HEAR THAT .
JESUS GOT DENIED friend . DE and NIED . cause i know full well
them other religions DO NOT BELEIVE ON HIM and at best only beleive on another jesus .
SO when they basically said , OUR RELIGOIN , LETS SAY JESUS CHRIST , is no better than your budda
your muhammed , your etc , hey we all serving the same GOD .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . THAT IS ALL OF ANTI CHRIST being spread by many anti christs .
THIS IS ALL where its headed too . THUS A SON of PERDITION , ENDS IN PERDITION . we darn sure dont want
to follow that .

 

[amigo de christo]

Please see my post no. 556

Where I stated the following:
BOTH GOD FATHER AND GOD SON RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD.

Here it is again:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Again,,,you are not familiar with Christian theology.

Both raised Jesus from the dead:
God Father
God Son raised Himself.

God Father raised Jesus:

Romans 10:9b
...and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


God Son raised Himself:

John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."


There is no contradiction...
because both Father and Son are God.
They have the same will, and the Son does what He sees the Father doing.
John 5:19



It's wonderful that you want to follow A MERE MAN Wrangler.
You can follow Jesus.
This is good.

The problem is that you call yourself a Christian...
which you are not since you do not adhere to Christian tenets.

And it devolves into a thread about the Trinity because, at times, it becomes necessary to show you that Jesus DID
refer to Himself as God.


Matthew 26:63-66
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter * you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

66 what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!"


Questions:
Why did Caiaphas tear his robe?
What was the blasphemy punishable by death?

Why did caiphas tear his own robe ..........
the same reason the unbeleiving jews picked up stones to stone JESUS
when HE said BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I AM .

 

[amigo de christo]

Please see my post no. 556

Where I stated the following:
BOTH GOD FATHER AND GOD SON RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD.

Here it is again:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Again,,,you are not familiar with Christian theology.

Both raised Jesus from the dead:
God Father
God Son raised Himself.

God Father raised Jesus:

Romans 10:9b
...and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;


God Son raised Himself:

John 2:19
19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."


There is no contradiction...
because both Father and Son are God.
They have the same will, and the Son does what He sees the Father doing.
John 5:19



It's wonderful that you want to follow A MERE MAN Wrangler.
You can follow Jesus.
This is good.

The problem is that you call yourself a Christian...
which you are not since you do not adhere to Christian tenets.

And it devolves into a thread about the Trinity because, at times, it becomes necessary to show you that Jesus DID
refer to Himself as God.


Matthew 26:63-66
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

64 Jesus said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter * you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, "He has blasphemed! What further need do we have of witnesses? Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;

66 what do you think?" They answered, "He deserves death!"


Questions:
Why did Caiaphas tear his robe?
What was the blasphemy punishable by death?

The unbeleiving jews knew things about torah , about moses , JUST NOT torah , or moses .
THEY knew . T hey had heard the very words
That GOD had said to MOSES and was later written down and recorded to be kept and learned .
AND WHAT DID GOD answer MOSES with , when MOSES said
BUT WHOM shall i say SENT ME .
TELL that I AM has SENT THEE .
BEFORE abraham was I AM . I have MANIFEST , to be seen , YOUR NAME . JESUS SAID THAT .
I HAVE MADE KNOWN , MADE SEEN your NAME .
That is why caiphas tore his robe
that is why they went about to stone JESUS when HE said before abraham was I AM .