The Religion That Hates the Truth It Pretends to Preach

[David in NJ]

Truth was revealed on the matter of God or a god by Greek scholars long before the JW,s were around. (a god) is correct.
The name that one greater than him gave to him. Romans 1:4 by being given the name became better than the angels--That means he was equal to them before God giving him that name.

Keiw,
You know that NWT John 1:1 is completely false, for YHWH would never allow another 'god' before HIM.

I am YHWH, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,
That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other;
I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create calamity;
I, the Lord, do all these things.’
Isaiah 45:5

Exodus 34:14
for you shall worship no other god, for YHWH, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous El

 

[One 2 question]

The Spirit brings Christ’s words back to us. He does not give new ones. Your teaching contradicts that.

Just a quick question. When Christ lived on earth in human form, did you hear every word He spoke? If you didn't, how would you know if what He brings to me or anyone else isn't what He taught. That is, all those teachings that were never heard by His apostles. Eg. When they had left Jesus to go 2 by 2 to preach in different villages. Probably most, definitely some of what Jesus taught was never documented.

But anyway, Jesus is not a mute Shepherd Who doesn't have the capability to communicate with His sheep. In fact He has greater insight into His Father since He arrived back in heaven. He has greater access to truth now that He sits beside the Father and hears EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF HIS FATHER.

And They have sent their Divine Spokesperson to live in us individually to teach us specifically what They want us to know. Yes, truth that is relevant to the individual and our unique circumstances.

That's why He said,
...I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Unless you are going to claim that the Comforter was only sent to His discipline's who were present with Him at the time.

 

[One 2 question]

It is very clear from Scripture that what you are talking about does not come from the Spirit of God. The Bible is very clear in saying the Holy Spirit does not lead a person away from the Word that He inspired. You freely admitted you “rarely consult the Scriptures these days”, yet you talk of “always hearing new revelation, a new direction” and “personal messages”. That alone is enough to know the source is not God. The Spirit of God leads people back to the Word, He never leads them away from it.

Scripture clearly warns there are other spirits that speak and lead and are deceptive by copying spiritual experiences. “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God” ~1 John 4:1. The moment the teaching is off the track of Scripture, the spirit behind it is not from God. What you are following is in direct contradiction to the Word at every turn, that is what exposes the source.

God’s Spirit never gives new doctrine, new truth, or fresh revelation. The Bible already says God has given “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” ~2 Peter 1:3. God did not leave us wanting anything else. Anything that goes beyond what He has given is not of Him. When you say Jesus is speaking new things and that is the way to follow apart from His written Word, Scripture says that voice and spirit is different and not the Shepherd.

Scripture also says that “in the last days people will fall away, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons” ~1 Timothy 4:1. Those spirits are the ones that pull people away from Scripture and away from truth, to trusting in inner voices and so-called “spiritual experiences”. That is exactly what you are doing. You have replaced the written Word of God with your own impressions and experiences and Scripture says plainly that is a sign of spiritual deception, not of spiritual growth.

So let me be blunt with you, because Scripture is blunt with you.
The things you are claiming do not come from the Spirit of God.
They come from another spirit, one that is not from Him.

Scripture warns you to turn from it before it deceives you even more.

Thanks.

Again, if you want to stay within the parameters of the limited supply of God's expressed thoughts found in the scriptures then enjoy them.

But for those of us who are continuing to live in a personal relationship with God in Christ in heavenly places then we will go on enjoying Them in Their presence. Whenever They bring to mind what They have already said through Their Spirit in time past I accept them too, even on equal terms with Their direct words. How can I not. They have all come from the Source, the mind of God Who spoke everything into existence.

 

[One 2 question]

It is very clear from Scripture that what you are talking about does not come from the Spirit of God.

Oh my friend. I'm enjoying the relationship with the Spirit Himself and He invites not only me but whoever will to join us. It is a wonderful encounter, very unique, very personal.

 

[One 2 question]

You say this is “entering the kingdom of God.” Jesus gives the actual definition. “Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” ~John 3:5. Salvation comes through the gospel, not through mystical impressions, inner voices, or spiritual sensations. What you are describing is not entering the kingdom. It is drifting from the Word.

Like Paul, and John my imagination is very active and very much used by the Holy Spirit. It is a God created gift in us and is a well used tool in the Spirit's hand. Personally I don't disregard this gift of God but treasure it and use it regularly.

Jesus used it frequently. Imagine with Me, The kingdom of God is like.....

 

[One 2 question]

God’s Spirit never gives new doctrine, new truth, or fresh revelation.

I'm so glad that Jesus added to the church, prophets, those speaking in tongues, those who could interpret, word of wisdom, word of knowledge....

1 Cor 12 :7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

The Spirit leading the church into all truth. Yes, those who were being carried along by the very same Spirit Who carried people along over the past 6000 years. A few even documented what they observed the same Spirit doing around them.

 

[One 2 question]

You said Scripture is a “restrictive playground.” That statement exposes your error completely. The Spirit of God never leads someone to despise the Word He inspired.

Only for those who restrict themselves to the scriptures. For the rest of us we are free to explore God and His God's word beyond the scriptures. I certainly don't despise God's words. I love Him and I love everything He gives, especially His love, be it expressed in word or action. My first focus is my relationship with God Himself. Him communicating directly to me and me communicating with Him. Then we can share what we have learned from God about God and gain a greater, fuller understanding of this Person we see through a glass, dimly. We see in part, so we speak in part. Let's keep putting these small parts together not keep them to ourself or ignore them.

 

[One 2 question]

Any spirit that leads you away from the Word God breathed is not the Holy Spirit.

What do YOU mean by the words, God breathed?

 

[One 2 question]

You accuse anyone who tests your revelation by Scripture of being like Pharisees.

Not at all. Please go right ahead. God's words are God's words. They are from the same Source. Yet who He is talking to can make a massive difference. So WHAT He says to you and what He says to me could be the opposite or contrary.

HOW He says it to you could be different to me. Actually it is. You through the scriptures. To me through whatever means.

To the baby it's milk. To the adult solids and occasional milk. All is beneficial and profitable for growth and development.

 

[One 2 question]

It is very clear from Scripture that what you are talking about does not come from the Spirit of God. The Bible is very clear in saying the Holy Spirit does not lead a person away from the Word that He inspired. You freely admitted you “rarely consult the Scriptures these days”, yet you talk of “always hearing new revelation, a new direction” and “personal messages”. That alone is enough to know the source is not God. The Spirit of God leads people back to the Word, He never leads them away from it.

If Holy Spirit communicates with you, if He says anything that is not purely quoting the exact text of the Authorised King James Bible then you will automatically dismiss it?
Would you say that as it is not the bible being spoken, it is not God's word or the word of God therefore it cannot be the Spirit of God?

I'm a little confused. Because you say don't add or take away from the scriptures, yet you continue to add to it in your posts. Your words aren't pure texts from the scriptures, some don't even come close to the actual Authorised KJV wording.

 

[One 2 question]

The moment the teaching is off the track of Scripture, the spirit behind it is not from God.

Again I'm a little confused. Because your words aren't pure texts from the scriptures, some don't even come close to the actual Authorised KJV wording. Therefore you have gone off its tracks. So in your mind, the spirit behind your own words is not from God.

 

[One 2 question]

What you are following is in direct contradiction to the Word at every turn, that is what exposes the source.

When I, as the dad communicate with my children I do so independently these days as they are adults, some living their individual life with their own families. Do I speak to them all the same? No as they are at levels of understanding and maturity. Do I use the same means of communication? No. As they live in dirrerent places. I may use the phone for 1, email for another, facetime for another and face to face another etc.
Is the content and instructions the same? No, because some have children and some don't.

Our heavenly Father treats us individually and instructs us individually. Just as Jesus gives out talents individually according to our ability. I never want to limit my Father and the way He chooses to communicate with His children.

 

[One 2 question]

God’s Spirit never gives new doctrine, new truth, or fresh revelation. The Bible already says God has given “all things that pertain unto life and godliness” ~2 Peter 1:3. God did not leave us wanting anything else.

Oh but the greatest thing, the bible cannot provide. An intimate relationship with the Creator Himself. It tells us about Him and how to get into a relationship with Him. But the bible isn't a living being. I'll stick with my personal relationship with the Person of God, and value HIS words.

 

[David in NJ]

Oh but the greatest thing, the bible cannot provide. An intimate relationship with the Creator Himself. It tells us about Him and how to get into a relationship with Him. But the bible isn't a living being. I'll stick with my personal relationship with the Person of God, and value HIS words.

a MUST-SEE reminder for you Today from the WRITTEN words of LIFE - John 6:63

It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

 

[Heart2Soul]

There are a couple of verses that Jesus spoke that infers teaching not yet known to us.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
— John 14:12 (KJV)
John 16 (KJV)
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¹² I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
¹³ Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

In the first one, Jesus is telling the disciples that they (whoever believeth on Him) will do the works He has done and greater works shall he do.
The second one, Jesus says He has many things to say but they can't bear them now. But the Spirit of truth will speak and show you things to come.

Both of these clearly indicates a time will come where things will be revealed by the Holy Spirit of things to come.
These things are not yet written at the time. So if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we should be experiencing more revelation of things to come. Is this true or not?
By sharing this revelation of truth with others are we adding to or taking away from His prophesies?
Again I stress that we cannot change prophesies or God’s commandments. We are not adding to either when the Holy Spirit reveals things to come because these things to come confirm what is already written. God’s Word is always confirmed by two or more witnesses when someone speaks prophetically.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[LoveYeshua]

There are a couple of verses that Jesus spoke that infers teaching not yet known to us.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
— John 14:12 (KJV)
John 16 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹² I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
¹³ Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

In the first one, Jesus is telling the disciples that they (whoever believeth on Him) will do the works He has done and greater works shall he do.
The second one, Jesus says He has many things to say but they can't bear them now. But the Spirit of truth will speak and show you things to come.

Both of these clearly indicates a time will come where things will be revealed by the Holy Spirit of things to come.
These things are not yet written at the time. So if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we should be experiencing more revelation of things to come. Is this true or not?
By sharing this revelation of truth with others are we adding to or taking away from His prophesies?
Again I stress that we cannot change prophesies or God’s commandments. We are not adding to either when the Holy Spirit reveals things to come because these things to come confirm what is already written. God’s Word is always confirmed by two or more witnesses when someone speaks prophetically.

Just my 2 cents.

it is a very good 2 cents! Thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

There are a couple of verses that Jesus spoke that infers teaching not yet known to us.
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
— John 14:12 (KJV)
John 16 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹² I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
¹³ Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

In the first one, Jesus is telling the disciples that they (whoever believeth on Him) will do the works He has done and greater works shall he do.
The second one, Jesus says He has many things to say but they can't bear them now. But the Spirit of truth will speak and show you things to come.

Both of these clearly indicates a time will come where things will be revealed by the Holy Spirit of things to come.
These things are not yet written at the time. So if we have the Holy Spirit in us then we should be experiencing more revelation of things to come. Is this true or not?
By sharing this revelation of truth with others are we adding to or taking away from His prophesies?
Again I stress that we cannot change prophesies or God’s commandments. We are not adding to either when the Holy Spirit reveals things to come because these things to come confirm what is already written. God’s Word is always confirmed by two or more witnesses when someone speaks prophetically.

Just my 2 cents.

Yes, and i have been sharing some of those "things' = few have the Holy Spirit to "listen" and recognize.

Question to you and all: How would you be able to recognize when someone is speaking Truth versus religion???

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yes, and i have been sharing some of those "things' = few have the Holy Spirit to "listen" and recognize.

Question to you and all: How would you be able to recognize when someone is speaking Truth versus religion???

Discernment by the Holy Spirit and we must test all things to know if it is of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Discernment by the Holy Spirit and we must test all things to know if it is of God.

AGREE

Question: Do you remember, way back when, the teachers textbook had the answers in their book???

 

[Heart2Soul]

AGREE

Question: Do you remember, way back when, the teachers textbook had the answers in their book???

Yes and I know what you are going to say. It has to line up with scripture.