MonoBiblical
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It never means firstborn. It means highest seed or conception. Protos does not mean first.“prōtotokos” in all the verses where it appears in the NT, means “firstborn” or “first-begotten”,
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It never means firstborn. It means highest seed or conception. Protos does not mean first.“prōtotokos” in all the verses where it appears in the NT, means “firstborn” or “first-begotten”,
I don’t think you read what I said...I do believe that Father, Son and Holy Spirit existed before Gen and John 1:1.....I just don’t believe that they are all equal parts of the same God, since no Scripture actually says that they are....if they had this issue would have never started.
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Your view is popular but there are over a hundred scriptures that prove you wrong. So at that point you are saying you do not like what the scriptures say but like what men say. So many false beliefs out there.
4416 prōtótokos (from 4413 /prṓtos, "first, pre-eminent" and 5088 /tíktō, "bring forth") – properly, first in time (Mt 1:25; Lk 2:7); hence, pre-eminent (Col 1:15; Rev 1:5).“prōtotokos” in all the verses where it appears in the NT, means “firstborn” or “first-begotten”,
It’s hard to misrepresent a doctrine that was never presented by Christ or his apostles as doctrine to begin with.
The trinity is an ancient lie, gradually introduced over time and through much controversy into an apostate church that Jesus warned about. It only became official “church” doctrine in the 4th century.
So strange that the Christ never mentioned something so vitally important about the nature of a God he serves on earth and in heaven. (Acts 4:27, 30; Rev 3:12)
Good grief! you mean there’s a name for it?
Well I guess they have a name for everything else...just not for the God of Jesus Christ. And if the divine name was still in use, the trinity could never have been invented.
Nowhere in all of the Bible does Jesus ever say that he is God incarnate.....and Scripture that suggests that there are at least two gods are exposed as inaccurate translations.
There is no threesome...there never was. In so many references to God and his son, the third and equally important part of God, doesn’t even rate a mention....(John 17:3; 2 Cor 8:5-6)
God’s spirit is an enabler...it is power that emanates from God and is given to those who can then manifest it in visible ways. It is not a person. The “Paraclete” (helper, holy spirit) in Greek is a masculine noun and so has masculine pronouns....referring to the spirit as “he” is just correct grammar.
It also doesn’t account for Jesus’ statement in Rev 3:12....
“The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.” (ESV)
The Revelation was written at the end of the first century, long after Jesus’ return to heaven.....how is it that God has a God in heaven.....and that he speaks of his new name? Can God have a new name? He has only ever had one unique name...YHWH. (Psalm 83:18)
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The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity by Robert Bowman, Jr.
Robert Bowman, Jr. :: The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinitywww.blueletterbible.org
Notice the word pre-eminent. Yet mia is ignored as a first event word.4416 prōtótokos (from 4413 /prṓtos, "first, pre-eminent" and 5088 /tíktō, "bring forth") – properly, first in time (Mt 1:25; Lk 2:7); hence, pre-eminent (Col 1:15; Rev 1:5).
4416 /prōtótokos ("firstly") specifically refers to Christ as the first to experience glorification, i.e. at His resurrection (see Heb 12:23; Rev 1:5). For this (and countless other reasons) Jesus is "preeminent" (4416 /prōtótokos) – the unequivocal Sovereign over all creation (Col 1:16).
[4416 (prōtótokos) refers to "the first among others (who follow)" – as with the preeminent, glorified Christ, the eternal Logos who possesses self-existent life (Jn 5:26).]
Their New World Translation inserts the word “other” 5 times in Colossians 1 to make the point that God created Jesus, the Jesus created “all the other things.” The word “other,” however, never appears in the Greek. The translators just added it to reflect their theology.
Prōtotokos – The Firstborn Son – Ezra Project
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There is not even one verse saying "there are three Gods". There are verses saying "there is one God", though.Your view is popular but there are over a hundred scriptures that prove you wrong. So at that point you are saying you do not like what the scriptures say but like what men say. So many false beliefs out there.