Flat Earth Theory

[rvmb]

So you comprehend the importance of taking time to do research in order to answer the question. You even tell me to "not rush" and "do my research".

Yet you call it "avoiding" when I don't answer right away.

You say, "Don't rush, do your research". Then you imply, "Look! He hasn't answered! He's avoiding the topic!" Does this seem to be gaslighting?

Perhaps I am working on addressing the topic by researching it, and therefore not avoiding it.

So what justification do you have to say I am avoiding the topic? At this point, would you not have to verify whether I am researching it?

and the reason that Canada sees the NORTH star and Argentina never does is ?
Globe earth.
and the reason that Salekhard has only 3 hours daytime today compared to Cape Horn over 17 ?
Globe earth.
I'm proud of you Rud :)

 

[Rudometkin]

Your evidence to the contrary is non-existent

I already pointed out, I do not respond to videos,

You don't consider video evidence? So what is evidence to you?

You arrogantly and ignorantly said my evidence that 'perhaps the moon landing didn't happen' is non-existent.

I shared apparent footage of NASA blatantly faking the crescent of the earth with some kind of crescent shaped object. Also, lying about their travel times. All while supposedly on their way to the moon.

You don't have to watch it, it doesn't hurt my feelings. But it makes you look ignorant when you say, "You don't have evidence" and then, "I don't respond to videos" when I send you video evidence.

this isn't my first internet discussion. You are free to make the argument in your own words from the video and I will take the time to respond in my own words. It is common for people to spam a topic with videos with no written content of their own until they have just warn out a person.

Fair enough, but you brought up the issue of evidence. You're welcome for sending video evidence.

The conspiracy would have gone on well before the Soviets existed. There would be no reason for them want the US to take the lead when their space program was used to prove their superiority. The US got involved to prove the same.

Here we have Chihuahua with the crystal ball again. Knowing all of the Soviets' and US' relevant affairs on the top level on the matter.

Governments make deals. A one-world government may be one of them. In the meantime, perhaps wars produce profit and keep people like yourself believing they're fundamentally against each other.

But hey, maybe they are against eachother on the fundamental level. Maybe. That's the heart of my message.

I sound ignorant how? In what way am I lacking knowledge in pointing out logic?
I would like for you to explain how I "propose[d] such a closed-minded dichotomy."

Well by "ignorant" I meant moreso "unaware" than "lacking knowledge". Unaware of logical possibilities. You say you were "pointing out logic", but you were providing two possibilities that left no room for other logical possibilities.

You said:
"If it was faked, the Soviets would have embarrassed the west or did it themselves."

This is a dichotomy you proposed - it has the structure: if A, then B or C". However, it could be D, E, F, G, etc.

It is logically possible the U.S. moon landing was faked and the Soviets proposed the idea for us to fake it, and wanted us to fake it, while not doing it themselves and not embarrassing us for it. (For what reason you ask? That is irrelevant to the issue - focus on the matter at hand). It is a logical possibility that your proposition ignored, and I only need to provide one example to show your dichotomy to be incomplete.

It is a logical possibility because it doesn't contradict any laws of logic. It is logically possible. You didn't leave room for it.

So this answers your question on how you sound ignorant with your dichotomy.

Did you really need me for this? If you did, then there is no shame. I appreciate you asking, because it seems you are genuinely wanting to learn. You're welcome.

Yet, you don't put forward a logical argument for all governments and corporations all over the world, for centuries, engage in a conspiracy without even an explanation of why they would do that.

You don't need an argument for something in order to respect the logical possibility of it.

 

[Rudometkin]

and the reason that Canada sees the NORTH star and Argentina never does is ?
Globe earth.
and the reason that Salekhard has only 3 hours daytime today compared to Cape Horn over 17 ?
Globe earth.
I'm proud of you Rud :)

Okay, thank you. What of my doing are you proud of?

Are you proud of me for the words you said?

 

[rvmb]

Okay, thank you. What of my doing are you proud of?

Are you proud of me for the words you said?

Accepting that logical observable evidence confirms a BALL earth.

 

[Chihuahua]

You don't consider video evidence? So what is evidence to you?

I have already explained, people that make outrageous claims will resort to the tactic of taking 10 seconds to post a video as if it provides evidence for whatever absurdity they present. The respondent will take ten minutes writing out how stupid the video is only to be responded to with LOL!! Here is a 59.53 minute video showing you are wrong! LOL.

Use your words.

You arrogantly and ignorantly said my evidence that 'perhaps the moon landing didn't happen' is non-existent.

How is that arrogant or ignorant? How am I overestimating myself or showing lack of knowledge? I know what you are doing. You are not addressing the very issue. You have been given ample opportunity to show how the moon landing was fake, the world is flat, there is a multinational, multi-corporational conspiracy over centuries which you have yet to offer any motive towards. Now you are writing that perhaps...

I shared apparent footage of NASA blatantly faking the crescent of the earth with some kind of crescent shaped object. Also, lying about their travel times. All while supposedly on their way to the moon.

You don't have to watch it, it doesn't hurt my feelings. But it makes you look ignorant when you say, "You don't have evidence" and then, "I don't respond to videos" when I send you video evidence.

You did no such thing. I do not want to watch an hour long conspiracy video narrated by people who use folks like you as click-bait. You do understand that, right? People profit off of you and your gullibility.

Fair enough, but you brought up the issue of evidence. You're welcome for sending video evidence.

You can easily access footage of anything debunking it.

Here we have Chihuahua with the crystal ball again. Knowing all of the Soviets' and US' relevant affairs on the top level on the matter.

Yes, both sides openly admit the space race was about proving the superiority of capitalism or communism.

Governments make deals. A one-world government may be one of them.

What you are proposing is not a trade agreement. From what I gather, it is an international conspiracy with no rogue parties or governments saying anything.

Well by "ignorant" I meant moreso "unaware" than "lacking knowledge". Unaware of logical possibilities. You say you were "pointing out logic", but you were providing two possibilities that left no room for other logical possibilities.

There is a flat Earth with a massive conspiracy or the Earth is not flat with no conspiracy and daily life depends on it.
The Earth is not a perfect sphere, as gravity causes the equator to bulge out a bit. There is no between regarding a flat Earth and a spherical body.

You said:
"If it was faked, the Soviets would have embarrassed the west or did it themselves."

This is a dichotomy you proposed - it has the structure: if A, then B or C". However, it could be D, E, F, G, etc.

That is not a dichotomy. Please stop using words you do not understand.

It is logically possible the U.S. moon landing was faked and the Soviets proposed the idea for us to fake it, and wanted us to fake it, while not doing it themselves and not embarrassing us for it. (For what reason you ask? That is irrelevant to the issue

No, that is extremely relevant. A trial with no evidence and no motive goes no where.

- focus on the matter at hand). It is a logical possibility that your proposition ignored, and I only need to provide one example to show your dichotomy to be incomplete.

Again, you clearly have no idea what is a dichotomy.

It is a logical possibility because it doesn't contradict any laws of logic. It is logically possible. You didn't leave room for it.

So this answers your question on how you sound ignorant with your dichotomy.

You are throwing out random words that do not further your argument. You have one simple task: What is the evidence for a global conspiracy that involves nearly at this point all governments and corporations to fool the entire population without any motive given by you for such a thing. You won't touch that. You will throw out red hearings.

Did you really need me for this? If you did, then there is no shame. I appreciate you asking, because it seems you are genuinely wanting to learn. You're welcome.


You don't need an argument for something in order to respect the logical possibility of it.

I am not going to insult you.

 

[Rudometkin]

Accepting that logical observable evidence confirms a BALL earth.

Have I done this? Where?

Or are you making it up?

 

[rvmb]

Have I done this? Where?

Or are you making it up?

In that case I must have misunderstood or lost your explanation as to why on a FLAT earth :-
-- Cape Horn today has over 17 hours daytime today while Salekhard only 3
-- Canada sees the NORTH star yet Argentina never does.

 

[GodsGrace]

God gave His biblical explanation of "waters" by first flooding this world with [liquid] water and promising never to do it again, followed by His promise of "I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh." Showing that the things of this world are made manifest having form, but His spirit is without form--yet is the greater flood upon the earth, referring to those waters above the firmament--heavenly waters that also rain down upon the earth.

Thanks!

 

[GodsGrace]

If the earth is FLAT why cant Argentina see the NORTH STAR while Canada can ?

You don't have to convince me...
I agree with YOU.

 

[GodsGrace]

On Drugs and spaced out ?

LOL
Unless she was in a space program for astronauts,,,,
They are put through very rigorous training,,,which is for their own good.
I wouldn't see what the other member posted as being sinister, which was her point.

 

[GodsGrace]

If one reads past Jeremiah 31:37, the greater context and message is about Israel's finish (as in "It is finished").

IT IS FINISHED, to me, has always meant more than the usual " I did what I was supposed to do".
It could mean this.
It could mean that there is nothing more to do to help Israel since God has tried everything.
I think this would be in line with what you're stating.

In verse 38 God gives the reference points, saying "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that the city shall be built for the Lord from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate." "Hananel" meaning: "God has favored", given in past tense indicating the days that "are coming" and the timing of when the message is actually referring to--as those times following the coming and crucifixion of Christ ("God has favored").

The message being?
The end of Israel?
Spiritually of course.

"To the Corner Gate" is a reference to the Cross itself (By definition: "a key strategic point for defense and a significant landmark, marking a boundary and representing God's protection, future restoration") and the change of course "Corner" referring to the times of the gentiles to follow.

Nice!

In other word, verse 37 is not about the physical make up and formation of the heavens and the earth, but rather about Israel's world coming to an end according to the plan of God which He has made manifest physically, but is actually spirit in nature as God himself is spirit. The words are simply spiritual allegory for structure otherwise beyond words.

Of course.
I just do not read the bible as I would any scientific article...
ALTHOUGH,,,there are many scientific truths found therein.

As for that structure, God has made manifest the perfect form of what is otherwise not physical in form at all, but spiritual. Which He did showing Himself as Light at the center of all things emanating out from Him in every direction--not as a directional spot or floodlight in the sky. Which can only be duplicated or demonstrated as a global sun and a global earth with "shadow of turning." Such is the perfect model, as it should be.

Yes. You see everything as being spiritual...which indeed mostly everything is.
In the NT I DO read it more as a historical recounting. (a lot of spirutuality too - not denying this).

Also, as to Jeremiah 31:37, I do see this as God saying that He will not abandon Israel.
At the time Jeremiah was written it surely would have seemed impossible to "measure the sky" or "search out the foundaitons of the earth below"...and UNTIL THEN, God would not abandon Israel.

I think IT IS FINISHED would be referring to the METHOD that Israel practiced for worshipping God - sacrifices, holidays, etc. But the spiritual Israel God would never abandon.

Just an interesting point:
Man has gone into space and discovered a lot - probably more to discover.

But man has been unable to go deep into the ocean.
Just an observance. Not sure it means anything.

 

[David in NJ]

You claim Bible teaches FLAT EARTH then are unable to answer a simple question about your claim.
Your Biblical logic then dictates the Earth must be a flat square or rectangle :)
Rev 7:1 .. I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth

And if we were on a globe/ball then there would be eight angels instead of four!!!

ignorance is bliss and deception is delight to the ears, eyes and heart

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

 

[David in NJ]

None of that is science and it is clearly faked. I liked the bit about chem trails. Might as well through in Elvis, Bigfoot, and aliens.

You mock the fact our gov sprays chem trails in the sky?

 

[David in NJ]

You don't have to convince me...
I agree with YOU.

Well of course, satan already has you convinced = done deal!

 

[David in NJ]

Also, as to Jeremiah 31:37, I do see this as God saying that He will not abandon Israel.
At the time Jeremiah was written it surely would have seemed impossible to "measure the sky" or "search out the foundaitons of the earth below"...and UNTIL THEN, God would not abandon Israel.

ignorance is bliss and deception is delight to the ears, eyes and heart

Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father
but from the world.
The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

 

[David in NJ]

i SEE by the comments on here doubting God at his word that satan established in the world and in many christians a 'peace treaty' between religion and satans' science'

Now about the times and seasons, brothers, we do not need to write to you. 2For you are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and security,” destruction will come upon them suddenly, like labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and the helmet of our hope of salvation.

 

[Psalm-147:3]

I am a scientist. I used to be. Now my identity is in Christ. Science is a religion. I know that now. I used to make fun of people that would think the earth is flat. But God has showed me, that the earth, His perfect creation, is flat and exactly like it is described in the Bible. And humbled me from my pride to think I know it all and science is the truth. No. Gods Word is the Truth. God's Word is clear. And we can confirm it all with our own eyes and senses. The globe is a lie from the enemy. God bless

 

[David in NJ]

Accepting that logical observable evidence confirms a BALL earth.

lol x1000000000000

Deceived one = you only accept satan's science/NASA as evidence and you obviously hate God and his words

You, through pride, think you your intellect is trustworthy and you were calling for maps = which is under the control of satan.

Well did the HOLY SPIRIT Speak thru Isaiah the prophet of these days and unfortunately yourself.

"Darkness as black as night covers all the nations of the earth," - Isaiah 60:2

 

[Psalm-147:3]

lol x1000000000000

Deceived one = you only accept satan's science/NASA as evidence and you obviously hate God and his words

You, through pride, think you your intellect is trustworthy and you were calling for maps = which is under the contorl of satan.

Well did the HOLY SPIRIT Speak thru Isaiah the prophet of these days and unfortunately yourself.

"Darkness as black as night covers all the nations of the earth," - Isaiah 60:2

Isaiah did know the difference between a ball and a circle:

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

 

[David in NJ]

Isaiah did know the difference between a ball and a circle:

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

Amen - thank you for that Gem of Truth

i posed a question to them which none will answer for it exposes the falsehood which they love

Simple logic question on Jeremiah 31:37
Please answer either Yes or No as commanded by the LORD - Matthew 5:7

A.) “If heaven above can be measured,"
B.) "And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,"

A.) We know that scientists cannot search out the heavens above = Yes or No

B.) Have the foundations of the earth been searched/SEEN by man = Yes or No