Flat Earth Theory

[Chihuahua]

Donald Trump is also well known, and a part of daily life. Should I presume that you place your trust in him as well?

I certainly believe Trump exists.

 

[David in NJ]

I certainly believe Trump exists.

touche

 

[David in NJ]

I certainly believe Trump exists.

But do you BELIEVE = WATER ???

 

[Lizbeth]

@amigo de christo
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It is judgment, I believe.

 

[Simple Dan]

God's words in Post1,261 and WATER is all the evidence one needs = from GOD

Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.
This is why the ancients were commended.
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

If we do not believe Matthew 4:4 then we are susceptible to deception = Matt 24:4

It may be all the evidence that you require. But clearly, after 50 plus pages of debate (if one dared speak so highly of this thread) the only thing that's been proven is that the voice of scripture is not sufficient to change the minds of anyone who accepts the globe model, which happens to include a large number of professing christians.

 

[Chihuahua]

But do you BELIEVE = WATER ???

You need to phrase that differently as I do not understand you.

 

[Chihuahua]

It may be all the evidence that you require. But clearly, after 50 plus pages of debate (if one dared speak so highly of this thread) the only thing that's been proven is that the voice of scripture is not sufficient to change the minds of anyone who accepts the globe model, which happens to include a large number of professing christians.

Scripture is not in contradiction to the reality of the Earth being a globe.

 

[David in NJ]

It may be all the evidence that you require. But clearly, after 50 plus pages of debate (if one dared speak so highly of this thread) the only thing that's been proven is that the voice of scripture is not sufficient to change the minds of anyone who accepts the globe model, which happens to include a large number of professing christians.

i AGREE with your assessment

Dwell on this: Just one Truth Spoken from the Mouth of GOD is sufficient for us to place our trust in = yet HE gives More

i did my research many years ago and i submitted my mind/intellect to our Creator who Knows

GOD is Faithful and HE has raised up quite a few saints to expose the darkness.

When the LIGHT shined and exposed NASA lies, Satan went full ahead in scrubbing the internet so barely any TRUE scientific evidence is available.
Satan's experts are the ones who control the flow of info = and the scientists who know have been threatened not to speak.
Everyone else is mocked by the 'experts' and their evidence is CGI

WATER my brother = WATER

 

[Rudometkin]

Flat earth?
Earth is simply DRY Land.

Flat earth?
LOL, even a human eye can SEE mountains, hills, valleys That ARE Dry Land, But Yet, Not Flat.

Flat (regarding Land) meaning;
Having an even surface, without risings or indentures, hills or valleys;




Glory to God,
Taken

Yes there certainly are mountains. This thread is referring to the overall shape of the earth on the grand scale. It might be a plane (and so people call it flat), you could call even call it a plane with mountains and dips, or it might be a globe.

Flat earth does not have to have the definition of pure flatness in the strictest sense. It could be an overall description of the general shape.

 

[Simple Dan]

Scripture is not in contradiction to the reality of the Earth being a globe.

Some here would disagree with you. But let's assume your statement is true. Neither does scripture affirm that the earth is a globe, is also a true statement.

You spoke of reality. Reality is perception. You perceive the earth to be a globe. This is your reality. Others perceive our realm to be an infinite plain. That is their reality. Truth however, is another subject altogether. Truth is not subject to yours or anyone's perception of reality. Truth, to be truth, must be absolute. The only absolute Truth that I am aware of, or should I say, that I acknowledge from my perspective, is the person of Jesus Christ. Christ claimed to be truth personified. Christ is also the Word of God personified. If I accept the bible as the word of God, and Christ as the Truth, then I am obligated to see the word of God as objective truth. Putting aside all philosophical claims to the contrary.

From this basis of my own personal understanding, I could make a great many truth claims to support the geocentric model, far less in support of the heliocentric model.

But since I am aware that most will not accept those truth claims, it seems to me rather pointless to offer them up as evidence.

At this point in the discussion, and why I'm even in this discussion I have no idea, but at this point it seems much more important to address those things with which the opposing sides have some agreement. Otherwise, there's just going to be another fifty pages of people speaking past one another with zero progress whatsoever towards reaching any worthwhile conclusions.

The very first thing that must happen if this conversation should ever hope to arrive at objective truth, is for all parties involved to come to the realization that no one has the right to a truth claim, unless of course that truth claim is supported by the scriptures. The atheist forum is down the hall and to the left. This is a christian forum, it should be expected that anyone who debates here, first accept the bible as the divinely inspired, wholly infallible word of God.

 

[David in NJ]

Some here would disagree with you. But let's assume your statement is true. Neither does scripture affirm that the earth is a globe, is also a true statement.

You spoke of reality. Reality is perception. You perceive the earth to be a globe. This is your reality. Others perceive our realm to be an infinite plain. That is their reality. Truth however, is another subject altogether. Truth is not subject to yours or anyone's perception of reality. Truth, to be truth, must be absolute. The only absolute Truth that I am aware of, or should I say, that I acknowledge from my perspective, is the person of Jesus Christ. Christ claimed to be truth personified. Christ is also the Word of God personified. If I accept the bible as the word of God, and Christ as the Truth, then I am obligated to see the word of God as objective truth. Putting aside all philosophical claims to the contrary.

From this basis of my own personal understanding, I could make a great many truth claims to support the geocentric model, far less in support of the heliocentric model.

But since I am aware that most will not accept those truth claims, it seems to me rather pointless to offer them up as evidence.

At this point in the discussion, and why I'm even in this discussion I have no idea, but at this point it seems much more important to address those things with which the opposing sides have some agreement. Otherwise, there's just going to be another fifty pages of people speaking past one another with zero progress whatsoever towards reaching any worthwhile conclusions.

The very first thing that must happen if this conversation should ever hope to arrive at objective truth, is for all parties involved to come to the realization that no one has the right to a truth claim, unless of course that truth claim is supported by the scriptures. The atheist forum is down the hall and to the left. This is a christian forum, it should be expected that anyone who debates here, first accept the bible as the divinely inspired, wholly infallible word of God.

unless of course that truth claim is supported by the scriptures.

Which can be verified

 

[Chihuahua]

Some here would disagree with you. But let's assume your statement is true. Neither does scripture affirm that the earth is a globe, is also a true statement.

Some people here may stick crayons up their nose. One person maintained he has the flu, not COVID, despite a positive test. People believe weird stuff.

Reality is perception.

No, there is reality and there is our perception of that reality

You perceive the earth to be a globe. This is your reality. Others perceive our realm to be an infinite plain. That is their reality. Truth however, is another subject altogether. Truth is not subject to yours or anyone's perception of reality. Truth, to be truth, must be absolute. The only absolute Truth that I am aware of, or should I say, that I acknowledge from my perspective, is the person of Jesus Christ. Christ claimed to be truth personified. Christ is also the Word of God personified. If I accept the bible as the word of God, and Christ as the Truth, then I am obligated to see the word of God as objective truth. Putting aside all philosophical claims to the contrary.

I do not perceive the Earth is a globe, it is a globe. One only need to change the orientation of a satellite dish, or use a satellite phone. One only needs to see that the world operates on this reality. The alternative is an insane conspiracy theory that contradicts reality with no purpose.

 

[Simple Dan]

Some people here may stick crayons up their nose. One person maintained he has the flu, not COVID, despite a positive test. People believe weird stuff.


No, there is reality and there is our perception of that reality


I do not perceive the Earth is a globe, it is a globe. One only need to change the orientation of a satellite dish, or use a satellite phone. One only needs to see that the world operates on this reality. The alternative is an insane conspiracy theory that contradicts reality with no purpose.

Labelling everyone who disagrees with you as insane is probably not the best way to bring them over to your way of thinking. Some might even consider it projection. At the very least its unkind. But you aren't here to be kind are you? Why are you here? It matters not. Dealing with you requires more energy than I am willing to expend on your behalf. Several others have already placed you on ignore, even some who seem to agree with you, now that takes talent. It's my turn. Out the door you go little puppy,

 

[Chihuahua]

Labelling everyone who disagrees with you as insane is probably not the best way to bring them over to your way of thinking.

I do not label everyone who disagree with me as insane. I will label ideas and some individuals as insane.

Some might even consider it projection.

Thanks doctor. If I point out a massive impossible conspiracy is crazy I must be projecting my craziness.

At the very least its unkind. But you aren't here to be kind are you? Why are you here? It matters not. Dealing with you requires more energy than I am willing to expend on your behalf. Several others have already placed you on ignore, even some who seem to agree with you, now that takes talent. It's my turn. Out the door you go little puppy,

That is a very interesting statement from someone that just joined. Do you have any other socks or did your previous account just get banned for insults so now you use a sock to continue the practice?

 

[David in NJ]

I will not divide with my brothers and sisters in Christ over the issue of the shape of the earth (it isn't doctrine, and God hasn't made an issue out of it) but I'm mainly very desirous in general that we be rightly dividing His word. And also for that matter, that we not have our trust in or be drinking from a well of extra biblical sources either.....hope I'm mistaken in feeling that it almost seems as though some here are in agreement because of watching the same genre of you-tube videos, rather than because of what the Lord has been personally revealing to them in His word.

I consider natural facts of how God made the earth and universe to work to to be just natural facts, like how a washing machine or car works. It is not nefarious and nothing to fear in itself, as long as we aren't making idols of such knowledge or using it for evil. God said knowledge would increase in the last days.....what knowledge is that? He said knowledge would increase, not massive hoaxes. But let science stick to its own lane and the church of Christ stick to ours. Distinguish/discern/separate between what is holy and what is common and belongs to the world and is mainly useful for aspects of life in this world. And it's always glorifying to God when some scientists or anyone receives Christ because of the things they are seeing in the science....as He often may quicken and use things that belong to this world for His purposes.

Dont' want to ramble on too long, but just to say....I certainly agree in principle about the wisdom of God over the "wisdom of the wise", but I'm not sure wisdom is the same thing as factual knowledge...I take it that wisdom of the wise pertains to things that are more philosophical, or pyschological, or meta physical in nature, rather than plain scientific empirical knowledge..

And also for that matter, that we not have our trust in or be drinking from a well of extra biblical sources either.....hope I'm mistaken in feeling that it almost seems as though some here are in agreement because of watching the same genre of you-tube videos, rather than because of what the Lord has been personally revealing to them in His word.

Part 2

Indeed GOD warns us of "drinking from the wells of extra biblical sources"

When you drink of NASA, you are in fact drinking from "extra-biblical" sources!

Even worse is that NASA is Satan's mouthpiece for the world and especially welcomes christians.
Satan is the god of this world and he is in charge of the flow of information and so-called 'science'.
Every 'house' has a foundation = NASA foundation is from satanists, occultists, Nazi scientists, atheists, Masons and more

When you drink from NASA you drink from those forementioned.

But let science stick to its own lane and the church of Christ stick to ours.

Your message is approved by Satan = which was his goal from the Beginning = Romans 1:18-20

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

The TRUE and LIVING GOD created the world which includes FACTUAL science.
Satan countered with his science which is based on falsehood and lies promoted and authenticated by his 'experts'.
The globalists who control the world are "children of the world" and are WISER/Crafty/Intellectual Giants as compared to the "sons of LIGHT" = 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 and 1 Cor 1:18-19

Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast in His presence.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1
For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the intelligence of the intelligent.”

WATER brings to nothing the "dark intelligence" of a globe earth spinning at 1,000mph = 'proven' to the world by NASA lying CGI

Only by the Wisdom of the Cross are we set FREE from sin and the mind control of Satan's world deception

We know that we are children of God and the entire world around us is under the control of the evil one - 1 John 5:19

When we drink from God's Well of the Holy Spirit, HE then will guide us in all Truth = including the Creation = WATER

WATER is the scientific evidence given from GOD to us that exposes the lie of a globe earth.

TRUE scientists know this and therefore they are forbidden to speak or they will lose their career.

World Record Long Distance photos, some as far as 700 miles, scientifically, expose the lie of a globe earth.

You can sit down with a Jew and show from Torah and the OT prophets the many Declarations of CHRIST,
but they cannot SEE unless God opens their understanding

Same is true of Catholics, Muslims, SDA, pre-trib rapture adherents, Mormons, Watchtower adherents and on and on

GOD's science of Creation or we drink from the well of the satanists who Control education, sciences, MEDIA, Internet, religion and all governments

Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

www.spacesafetymagazine.com

 

[Chihuahua]

Part 2

Indeed GOD warns us of "drinking from the wells of extra biblical sources"

When you drink of NASA, you are in fact drinking from "extra-biblical" sources!

Even worse is that NASA is Satan's mouthpiece for the world and especially welcomes christians.
Satan is the god if this world and he is in charge of the flow of information and so-called 'science'.
Every 'house' has a foundation = NASA foundation is from satanists, occultists, Nazi scientists, atheists, Masons and more

When you drink from NASA you drink from those forementioned.

And don't forget:

Your message is approved by Satan = which was his goal from the Beginning = Romans 1:18-20

Cool, so you are able to speak on behalf of Satan?

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

The TRUE and LIVING GOD created the world which includes FACTUAL science.
Satan countered with his science which is based on falsehood and lies promoted and authenticated by his 'experts'.
The globalists who control the world are "children of the world" and are WISER/Crafty/Intellectual Giants as compared to the "sons of LIGHT" = 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 and 1 Cor 1:18-19

Creationism doesn't have any factual proof.

Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast in His presence.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1
For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the intelligence of the intelligent.”

WATER brings to nothing the "dark intelligence" of a globe earth spinning at 1,000mph = 'proven' to the world by NASA lying CGI

Only by the Wisdom of the Cross are we set FREE from sin and the mind control of Satan's world deception

We know that we are children of God and the entire world around us is under the control of the evil one - 1 John 5:19

When we drink from God's Well of the Holy Spirit, HE then will guide us in all Truth = including the Creation = WATER

WATER is the scientific evidence given from GOD to us that exposes the lie of a globe earth.

TRUE scientists know this and therefore they are forbidden to speak or they will lose their career.

World Record Long Distance photos, some as far as 700 miles, scientifically, expose the lie of a globe earth.

You can sit down with a Jew and show from Torah and the OT prophets the many Declarations of CHRIST,
but they cannot SEE unless God opens their understanding

Same is true of Catholics, Muslims, SDA, pre-trib rapture adherents, Mormons, Watchtower adherents and on and on

GOD's science of Creation or we drink from the well of the satanists who Control education, sciences, MEDIA, Internet, religion and all governments

Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

www.spacesafetymagazine.com

So is creationist mythologhy support by science or not? Now you are suggesting it needs to be revealed

 

[David in NJ]

Cool, so you are able to speak on behalf of Satan?


Creationism doesn't have any factual proof.


So is creationist mythologhy support by science or not? Now you are suggesting it needs to be revealed

1 John 5:19
a.)We know that we are of God,
b.)and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one/Satan.

'a' is a pre-requisite of 'b'

Since you do not believe 'b', you are not part of 'a' and therefore 'b' is "foolishness" to you

 

[Simple Dan]

I think this is splitting hairs, brother. Jesus, the Word made flesh, spoke to His own disciples in parables too and they didn't always understand them and needed an explanation. For example they didn't understand when He spoke to them about leaven...they thought He was talking about literal bread, and Jesus upbraided them for not understanding. They had to ask for an explanation for the parable of wheat and tares. I believe what He meant was that the parables would remain as "dark sentences" (hidden meaning) to those with proud and unbelieving hearts, but were being revealed to those whose hearts were humble and right with God...not dark/hidden. (Parable = dark sentence.)

Two examples of "parables" (allegories/similitudes/figures/types/shadows) in the OT that come to mind which the NT mentions, is the allegory of Sarah and Hagar....one likened to Jerusalem above which is our mother and the other likened to earthly Jerusalem in bondage (slavery). Another allegory is where it is written that Adam is "a figure for He who was to come". And we are told that the things which happened to Israel happened unto them and were written down as "ensamples" for us. Not to mention that the Old Covenant ordinances are chock full of shadows/types for the heavenly realities. We need to "hear" or "see" what the Spirit is saying...ears to hear, eyes to see.

(But please don't think because I say these things that I'm claiming to see/hear everything in scripture...there is plenty that I don't understand, but at least thankfully have cottoned on to this principle with the help of the Lord, and it opened up a lot to my understanding that I hadn't been able to "see" before.)

The scripture I posted clearly disagrees with you. Christ preached to the masses while his disciples listened. The did not understand any better than the masses because they had not yet received the Holy Spirit. When someone claims that Christ revealed something to them, that something should not contradict scripture.

Mark 4:33-34
"And with many such parables He was speaking the word to them, as they were able to hear it; and He was not speaking to them without a parable; but He was explaining everything privately to His own disciples.

"For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
Hebrews 4

Splitting hairs?
God chose every word that he delivered to the Prophets and Apostles with precision.
Christ likewise spoke with precision, even when He spoke in parables.

We should use that same precision when we claim to speak on His behalf, or when we say "God told me this" or "Christ revealed that"

Christ did not teach his disciples with parables.
Christ does not speak to us in parables.
Christ explained with crystal clarity why He taught in parables.

Being one of those to whom Christ is speaking to with parables is not something to rejoice about.

If Christ is still speaking to us in parables, we've got far bigger problems than the shape of the earth.

I'm not splitting hairs sister, neither am I being unkind.
Were the shoe on the other foot, I would hope that you loved me enough to point out my misunderstanding.

 

[Chihuahua]

1 John 5:19
a.)We know that we are of God,
b.)and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one/Satan.

'a' is a pre-requisite of 'b'

Since you do not believe 'b', you are not part of 'a' and therefore 'b' is "foolishness" to you

I don't take issue with that verse.

You are claiming one cannot believe in God unless they agree with your claims of creationism

 

[David in NJ]

I don't take issue with that verse.

You are claiming one cannot believe in God unless they agree with your claims of creationism

another erroneous assumption not based on the evidence given

NEVER once in my posts or anyone else, is the correct of the shape of the earth granting entrance into the Kingdom of God.

Intentional lying and manipulating the scientific evidence of Creation will in fact, bring the Wrath of God upon such people.

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. - Romans 1:18-20