Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Simple Dan]

Thank you Now it is clear to me and I agree.

Glad to be of service.
Glory to God in the highest

 

[rvmb]

Do whatever you think is best, thanks for the conversation. "I answer you with volumes of opinions" you would be wasting your time because I don't rely on opinions, I let Jesus do all the talking to explain what he took the time to talk about. Opinions are useless!
Is your volumes of opinions supposed to be more important then what Jesus explains in his own words?

"I answer you with volumes of opinions"""
Which is FANTASTIC when asked to do so :)

 

[walter]

"I answer you with volumes of opinions"""
Which is FANTASTIC when asked to do so :)

I will try to be more friendly in my next comments.

 

[rvmb]

I will try to be more friendly in my next comments.

All good Walter, after a while we all get urinated off with some of the no sense nonsense that gets written while using non relevant verses if any.
eg Everyone throughout the Bible was saved by the same Gospel.
Ok was Abraham saved by 1 Cor 15:1-4 ? <<<< always a great trigger for mud slinging

 

[rvmb]

I will try to be more friendly in my next comments.

Do you include the "context" in every scripture to support your belief?
I try to keep the opinions small & Scripture LARGE

 

[Berean]

List the verses from Paul that :-
He was worried about losing his Salvation.
A Saint today can become UNsaved :)

Are we just limited to Paul?

Let's start with Peter, who mentions those Christians who put themselves outside of God’s grace. Notice what he says in 2 Peter 2:20-22

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20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”​

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This shows that a person's character can get really messed up, making it hard to recover, and sometimes it can be impossible.

Since you mentioned Paul, let's look at Hebrews 6:4-6, (yes, I'm aware that there is a dispute on whether Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews, but that's a discussion for another time).

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [a]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.​

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In Hebrews 10:26, 29-30, it says,

"26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, ...​

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [a]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”​

​

I believe these verses are enough to demonstrate that there are boundaries to our heavenly Father's grace, just like there is a greater purpose when He offers grace. He doesn’t give us grace so we can keep on sinning; instead, He invites His followers to embrace His holiness. His grace helps Christians who have weaknesses and struggles to build their character and to become more like our Lord Jesus.

Let's look at Revelation 2:10 "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." This shows that not everyone who runs the race of the high calling in Christ will receive a crown (Acts 20:24; 1 Cor 9:24; Phil 3:14)

 

[walter]

“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19, NKJV).

Good point, Jesus commanded them to make disciples of all the nations.

Samaritan woman

John 4:9
Berean Standard Bible
“You are a Jew,” said the woman. “How can You ask for a drink from me, a Samaritan woman?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

Peter was directly chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles

Acts 15:7
Berean Standard Bible
After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

Just repeating a few scriptures to agree with you.

 

[Simple Dan]

I am not a Calvinist. I'm not sure that even John Calvin would consider himself to be a Calvinist if still around to answer the question.
I do have a couple of his books on the shelf, but have yet to read them fully. His "Institutes" seems a bit over my head, his commentary on Genesis has many hidden gems.
But I much prefer the practicality of John Owen and other Puritans like Watson and Flavel.

That being said, I am 100% in agreement with Calvin in regards to the perseverance of the saints, and I suppose to a lesser degree his thoughts on total depravity. Having gone from total depravity to saving grace and experiencing the new birth, back to depravity, though far from total (though you would have not believed that to be the case had you met me in my prodigal years), and then after much wandering and beating of the breast, being sought out by Christ and returned to the fold just as the Good Shepherd promised He would do. I have come to believe that no matter what fowlers net I may stumble into, the Lover of My Soul will in His good timing deliver me. Which is why I try so very hard, however imperfectly, to live a life that is pleasing in His sight. I cannot even write these words without tears, equal parts joy for the grace He has shown me, and sorrow for the many ways I have disappointed my beloved Savior through the years.

Doctrines are a useful tool for leading men to Christ I suppose, and a much more useful tool to keep those who already know Him, or rather are known by Him, upon the narrow path. But they cannot reveal the depths of His love for the sinner, nor His unending devotion to those whom He has chosen to redeem, sinners still, but sinners washed in His precious blood, who daily kneel before His cross to be washed again and again until that blessed day when we see Him face to face and are transformed into the likeness of He who gave His life to save us.

Until a man sees himself for who he truly is, and how desperate his situation apart from the mercy of a holy and righteous God, he will never see the Savior for who He truly is, a God of infinite mercy and wisdom and grace, which far surpasses our ability to comprehend, yet at some point must be comprehended at least in part, if ever our claims to truly know Him are to be believed. When the Son of Man returns, He will not search our minds for proper doctrine, but our hearts, for even a mustard seeds worth of faith, in His redemptive work on our behalf.

Glory to God in the highest.

 

[rvmb]

Are we just limited to Paul?

Let's start with Peter, who mentions those Christians who put themselves outside of God’s grace. Notice what he says in 2 Peter 2:20-22

​

20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”​

​

This shows that a person's character can get really messed up, making it hard to recover, and sometimes it can be impossible.

Since you mentioned Paul, let's look at Hebrews 6:4-6, (yes, I'm aware that there is a dispute on whether Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews, but that's a discussion for another time).

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 [a]if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.​

​

In Hebrews 10:26, 29-30, it says,

"26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, ...​

29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [a]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”​

​

I believe these verses are enough to demonstrate that there are boundaries to our heavenly Father's grace, just like there is a greater purpose when He offers grace. He doesn’t give us grace so we can keep on sinning; instead, He invites His followers to embrace His holiness. His grace helps Christians who have weaknesses and struggles to build their character and to become more like our Lord Jesus.

Let's look at Revelation 2:10 "Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life." This shows that not everyone who runs the race of the high calling in Christ will receive a crown (Acts 20:24; 1 Cor 9:24; Phil 3:14)

""Are we just limited to Paul?""
Acts 9:15 Christ chose Paul to the Gentiles
Acts 15:6-25 The 12 confirmed the role of Paul
Gal 2:7-9 Paul's role again confirmed
Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 Paul confirms his role
Gal 1:11-12 Christ gave Paul a UNIQUE Gospel.
Paul's Gospel applies to > Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11
After Paul was commissioned, what verses do you believe teach that the 12 or Hebrews has the same authority to teach Salvation to the believers spoken of in Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11 ?

 

[walter]

Do you include the "context" in every scripture to support your belief?
I try to keep the opinions small & Scripture LARGE

I look for scriptures that are relevant to a Bible subject, and through a conversation with someone I will learn of more scriptures, so by the end of the conversation I have quite a collection of many scriptures to consider that are relevant.

1. After I feel I have a complete collection of relevant scriptures, I list all of them.
2. Then I highlight the words in the scriptures that are explaining a key point, that agrees with the whole collection.
3. I consider each and every scripture as a valuable [ Piece of Truth ].
4. I take the "Piece of Truth" from each and every scripture - and from all the scriptures collectively, to form an understanding.
5. I don't consider that I understand anything really until I take a "Piece of Truth" from every scripture to get my understanding.

I am not saying my way is the best way, it's just one way, and is the way I like to do it, so I include all the "context" I can find.
I don't determine any beliefs, are even close to being complete, from favorite scriptures alone.

 

[rvmb]

I look for scriptures that are relevant to a Bible subject, and through a conversation with someone I will learn of more scriptures, so by the end of the conversation I have quite a collection of many scriptures to consider that are relevant.

1. After I feel I have a complete collection of relevant scriptures, I list all of them.
2. Then I highlight the words that are relevant to the subject I am researching.
3. I consider each and every scripture as a valuable [ Piece of Truth ].
4. I take the "Piece of Truth" from each and every scripture - and from all the scriptures collectively I form an understanding.
5. I don't consider that I understand anything really until I take a "Piece of Truth" from every scripture to get my understanding.

I am not saying my way is the best way, it's just one way, and is the way I like to do it, so I include all the "context" I can find.
I don't determine any beliefs, are even close to being complete, from favorite scriptures alone.

I responded to your footnote thinking it was a question to me
"1000" word replies are fully read if initially requested otherwise just a quick skim through, it's a weakness of mine in an attempt to avoid confusion.

 

[walter]

I responded to your footnote thinking it was a question to me
"1000" word replies are fully read if initially requested otherwise just a quick skim through, it's a weakness of mine in an attempt to avoid confusion.

That's my signature statement.

Sorry I get too wordy, I want to be really thorough sometimes but, I don't know exactly what to say.

I just try my best, like the next person.

 

[rvmb]

That's my signature statement.

Sorry I get too wordy, I want to be really thorough sometimes but, I don't know exactly what to say.

I just try my best, like the next person.

Scripture is better served if I type very little & let it do the talking

 

[walter]

Scripture is better served if I type very little & let it do the talking

You've seen my words that's exactly what I say too. But the question you asked me, was hard to answer with only scripture. Because I don't think the Bible even explains your question or my answer.

 

[rvmb]

You've seen my words that's exactly what I say too. But the question you asked me, was hard to answer with only scripture. Because I don't think the Bible even explains your question or my answer.

""Because I don't think the Bible even explains your question""
On this site, navigating my past questions is not currently easy for me.
Could you list the question please ?

 

[Christian Soldier]

LOL
I don't want or need your house, your cars and won't be learning to ride a bike any time soon.

However, the reason you'd have to hand them over is because you apparently do not understand what a CONDITION is.

There are CONDITIONS to being saved forever.
A CONDITION is a requirement needed in order to achieve something...
a CONDITION will have an effect on the outcome of something.

One of the conditions to eternal security is that
WE MUST ENDURE TO THE END.
I have provided scripture - which you do not accept.

Another CONDITION is that we must not FALL AWAY.
I have provided scripture - which you do not accept.

There are other CONDITIONS:
For example: WE MUST OBEY GOD.

John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."


More scripture you will most probably deny.

Jesus said that if you deny HIM,
HE will deny you.

You seem to deny what Jesus taught...
not good.

2 Timothy 2:12
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;

Please note: It states we MUST ENDURE...so many verses about enduring to the end.
and
We must NOT DENY HIM.

If we don't obey Jesus,,,we are denying HIM and His teachings.

And I'll repost my other verses which are very clear: Post 4597




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We must ENDURE if we are to be saved:

JESUS said:

Matthew 24:13
13But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

Revelation 2:10
10...and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.


Paul said:

Hebrews 3:6
6...And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence ...

Hebrews 3:14
14For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.

Colossiand 1:22-23
22 yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach -
23 if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast,



We can be led astray:

JESUS said:

Matthew 24:51
51“See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. ...

Revelation 2:5
5 'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place -unless * you repent.

Mark 3:15
15And Jesus began to say to them, “See that no one leads you astray.


Paul said:

Hebrews 13:9
9Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings,

1 Timothy 4:1
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith

Galatians 6.1
1Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.



And there are many more...
but some refuse to read and adhere to the entire NT.

Salvation can be lost...
And the NT states this very clearly.

The definition of a fool, is someone who keeps repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result. Well, you have proven yourself to be a fool because you have been presenting the same rubbish over and over again and expecting to fool me with that scam of yours.

I asked you to find a single verse in the bible to support your demonic doctrine, but you just keep referring to the same verses over and over, while not a single one of them says that salvation can be lost.

I have offered to give you all of my possessions if you could, you responded by giving me trash and trying to fool me with it. How pathetic and shameful on your part. Don't you have any fear of God at all, don't you know that pushing demonic doctrine is punishable by eternal torment in the lake of fire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

People gave so many of these verses already, do you Believe Jesus and what he said? if yes then read the following, Jesus words are clear!

Jesus clearly taught that many people would choose the wrong path, and only a few would find life. He spoke about two paths and warned that most people follow the wrong one. He explained that the wide and easy way leads to destruction and many walk on it, but the narrow and difficult way leads to life and only a few find it;
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." (Matthew 7:13–14)

Jesus also warned that not everyone who calls Him Lord will enter the kingdom. He said that only those who do the will of the Father will enter, and that many will be rejected even though they claimed to serve Him. ;

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness" (Matthew 7:21-23)

When someone asked Jesus directly if only a few would be saved, He did not deny it. Instead, He urged people to strive to enter through the narrow gate, saying that many will try to enter and will not be able;
"Then one said to Him, 'Lord, are there few who are saved?' And He said to them, 'Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.'"(Luke 13:23–24).

Jesus repeated this truth again by saying that many are invited, but few are chosen;
"For many are called, but few are chosen" (Matthew 22:14).

These teachings show very clearly and undeniably that Jesus did not say everyone would be saved. He warned that many would take the easy road, follow the crowd, and miss eternal life. He taught that the way to life requires real effort, obedience, and faithfulness to God.

Nobody was discussing the way to be saved, the debate is about "losing ones salvation". I have asked several members to find a single verse in the bible that says that a saved person can lose their salvation.

I've had many replies with all kinds of verses, speaking about unrelated topics, but not a single verse suggesting that one can lose their salvation. It shouldn't be that hard to find one if it exists, but some here have been searching desperately for a long time, and they have found zero verses after all their effort.

So instead of being corrected and admitting they were mistaken, they resort to personal attacks and slander. I love being corrected, because it edifies and enlightens me, but those who are not interested in the truth of the gospel have no such desire.

 

[Christian Soldier]

That depends on which aspect of one's salvation you are referring. Objective salvation cannot be lost, it is wholly accomplished by Christ. However, our subjective salvation can be lost because it all depends on individual man. Does he believe or does he reject Christ. That choice can change many times during one's lifetime.
Scripture does not show a single text that any individual is guaranteed subjective salvation. Or to put it in your language, there is no text that says you CANNOT lose salvation.
If you believe that God does not change, as in He is the same yesterday, today and forever, then to believe your statement would mean God changes.
He created Adam free to love or to reject Him Tell me when did He change so that He now guarantees some creatures to remain faithful?

There is no such thing as "objective or subjective" salvation at all. that a load of bumkin, I would seek a refund from the scammer who sold you that nonsense.

Here's what God has to say about salvation. "But I with the voice of thanksgiving will sacrifice to you; what I have vowed I will pay. Salvation belongs to the LORD!” (Jonah 2:9).

Psalm 3:8 "Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people."

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

The central idea is that God initiates, accomplishes, and secures salvation from its first spark (election) to its final consummation (glorification), a truth beautifully summarized by Jonah's declaration, "Salvation belongs to the LORD!

It doesn't matter how many times one of Gods elect backslides, God always draws us back to Himself. If it was up to me I would have remain a heathen, because I lived to serve my lust. I loved my sin and hated God, I was enslaved by Satan. I was dead in my sin and if God didn't chose to quicken me to life, I would have remained dead in my sin for all eternity.

You are dead wrong about scripture not supporting eternal security, the Lord Jesus said>>>

John 6:37, 39 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out". 39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day".

John 6:65 "And he said, 'This is why I said to you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him from the Father'".

John 6 confirms that salvation is God's work from start to finish, with the Father giving the chosen to the Son, and the Son infallibly securing them for eternal life, as detailed in "John 6:37-51 - All that the Father gives me will come -

The reason for your confusion is obvious by your last comment regarding Adam being free to love or reject God.
But you seem unaware of the fact that God only made two covenants with mankind, the first was with Adam and it was "the covenant of law" and the second was made with everyone after Adam and it was "the covenant of grace".

Once you understand the implications of these two covenants, then you will answer your own question. Sorry I don't have the time to dive deep into them right now, but I may do so if you wish at a later time.

 

[GodsGrace]

The definition of a fool, is someone who keeps repeating the same mistake and expecting a different result. Well, you have proven yourself to be a fool because you have been presenting the same rubbish over and over again and expecting to fool me with that scam of yours.

I asked you to find a single verse in the bible to support your demonic doctrine, but you just keep referring to the same verses over and over, while not a single one of them says that salvation can be lost.

I have offered to give you all of my possessions if you could, you responded by giving me trash and trying to fool me with it. How pathetic and shameful on your part. Don't you have any fear of God at all, don't you know that pushing demonic doctrine is punishable by eternal torment in the lake of fire.

Gave you plenty of verses including Jesus' own words.

But you believe a MAN instead of Jesus.

So when am I getting your house, your cars, and your bike?

Or do you make promises and then back down by merely stating the other member is wrong??

Jesus must be so upset with some.

 

[Rightglory]

There is no such thing as "objective or subjective" salvation at all. that a load of bumkin, I would seek a refund from the scammer who sold you that nonsense.

They are theological terms, just like Trinity. The objective salvation is what Christ accomplished by His Incarnation, that is, He became man.
So, first: The doctrine of salvation is rooted in creation. We must know what man is or was in order to understand salvation. The essential understanding is that man was restored from the fall. Restored to fulful the created purpose of man's existence, to be eternally in union with God.

Gen 1:26-27. We are created in the image of God and after His likeness. Man is created free, communal, and unique. One of the most basic underlying premises of scripture is that man was created free. That he possesses a rational soul, free from coercion.
Created in His image entails freedom, uniqueness, and is relational. There is no necessity for God to create. He did it at His good pleasure. Man was also called to grow into the likeness of God. It has a dynamism, it is not static. This is confirmed by Paul in Rom 8:29 and Gal 4:19.

Being created into God's image means we are persons. We are not individuals, we do not stand alone. To be a person means we have those same qualities as God, free, free to grow into his likeness with our free will. To share in His divine nature by grace, to become like Him. As II Pet 1:4 states, we were created to share in the Divine Nature. The redemption of mankind is to restore man's ability and capability to become by grace, to be transformed into the likeness of God. Whether we fulfill our human vocation and live according to God's image or whether we reject God is up to each of us.

Though man disobeyed and fell, God also provided redemption. God was not willing to allow His creation to simply dissolve back into nothingness after the fall. The Revelation we have in the OT is God's message and the preparation of the coming of the Messiah. God sent His Only Son, Christ, to reconcile the world unto himself, II Cor 5:14-19. Because Christ is the eternal image of the Father, He alone is able to renew the image of God in man. Col 1:15-20; John 5:28-29; Rom 5:12, Rom 5:14-19; Rom 11:32; I Cor 15:12-22; II Tim 1:10, Heb 2:9 Heb 2:14-17, Col 1:20, I John 2:2, John 1:29, John 6:39. Texts that corroborate this view are: Acts 24:15; Acts 23:6; I Cor 15:52, Eph 1:10; John 5:28, John 12: 32, I Tim 4:10, Is 26:19, Dan 12:2, Luke 2:30-32, Rev 20:12-13. They also show the universality of Christ's redemptive work. John 4:42, I John 4:14.

Christ's work on the Cross is solely Grace, man has nothing to do with it, it is totally objective. See: John 1:13, I Pet 1:23, James 1:18, Gal 4:4, Heb 2:11, Rom 9:16.

That is the objective part. Why did God do this. So He could have a relationship with His Creature, mutual love. Free to choose and remain. That relationship cannot be imposed in any way.
You have conflated both of these aspects which then makes is possible to twist scripture to say that even subjective salvation is a forced implementation of a relationship.
One's personal salvation is all about man using the gift of life given by Christ to redeem man. Whether he accepts and believes or rejects Rom 1:14-22. Christ's call to repentance is up to man. Every human being has the capability to respond to God. God calls, man responds, His choice and also his responsibility as all men will be judged by that choice. Rom 2:6-11.

Here's what God has to say about salvation. "But I with the voice of thanksgiving will sacrifice to you; what I have vowed I will pay. Salvation belongs to the LORD!” (Jonah 2:9).

Psalm 3:8 "Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people."

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

The central idea is that God initiates, accomplishes, and secures salvation from its first spark (election) to its final consummation (glorification), a truth beautifully summarized by Jonah's declaration, "Salvation belongs to the LORD!

It doesn't matter how many times one of Gods elect backslides, God always draws us back to Himself. If it was up to me I would have remain a heathen, because I lived to serve my lust. I loved my sin and hated God,

You are correct that all of salvation belongs to God. He created us in His Image to be responsive to Him However, it subjective is all about how you choose to use that gift and privilege.

I was enslaved by Satan. I was dead in my sin and if God didn't chose to quicken me to life, I would have remained dead in my sin for all eternity.

Before Christ came this was the status of mankind. Since He has come, we are celebrating that event in this advent season, all men have been redeemed, saved from that enslavement

You are dead wrong about scripture not supporting eternal security, the Lord Jesus said>>>

John 6:37, 39 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out". 39 "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up at the last day".

John 6:65 "And he said, 'This is why I said to you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him from the Father'".

John 6 confirms that salvation is God's work from start to finish, with the Father giving the chosen to the Son, and the Son infallibly securing them for eternal life, as detailed in "John 6:37-51 - All that the Father gives me will come -

Your conflation shows brightly in this context. Who were given to Christ? Col 1:20, All things, other texts above also show this. Christ draws all men, none are excluded, John 12:32. There are two verses, one you over look that separates the objective and subjective within two succeeded verses, John 6:39-40. 39 is the objective. Who was given ? All, He will raise all from the dead in the last day. However, Of all those that see and believe will have everlasting life. There is no complusion here. The responsibility to see and believe is left to individual man.

The reason for your confusion is obvious by your last comment regarding Adam being free to love or reject God.
But you seem unaware of the fact that God only made two covenants with mankind, the first was with Adam and it was "the covenant of law" and the second was made with everyone after Adam and it was "the covenant of grace".

Once you understand the implications of these two covenants, then you will answer your own question. Sorry I don't have the time to dive deep into them right now, but I may do so if you wish at a later time.

Your conflation has been shown clearly as to whom is confused about salvation.
Why would God choose some to have a relationship with Him when He desires that all men would have a relationship with Him?
What do you do with "seek and ye shall find"? Or, knock and the door shall be opened? Your theology is not consistent.