Outer Darkness: a possible destiny for the saved

[MostlyConfused]

Do you believe those who don't reach sinlessness in this life are lost?

Your words seem to imply that.

No, I don’t believe that at all. Not at ALL.
You are asking if I believe that only the holy are/will be saved, right?
If I believed that I would be one of the ones attacking Episkopos, since he teaches the opposite of that. It is BECAUSE he teaches the opposite of that that he is railed against. It is BECAUSE he teaches that God accepts a man who has a heart to do no harm to others (righteousness) that he is despised.

Those who fight against him are the ones who say God does not see righteousness as acceptable.

 

[Titus]

Every time you answer me you prove my point.
You are misrepresenting OSAS every time you state your understanding of the doctrine (which is misguided BTW ) and then make an erroneous conclusion based on that misguided understanding . I call that the Wizard of Oz method since you burn scarecrow.
OSAS does NOT say an unbeliever can be saved like you claim. A believer can NEVER become an unbeliever because of the keeping power of the Holy Spirit.
(See Eph 1:13 .)
You are preaching a doctrine that denies Paul's proof against your doctrine in Galatians 3:1-3.
I fully expect you to reject these proofs.
End. Of. Discussion.

You ignored my questions.
Yes, I am very familiar with the doctrine that believers cannot become unbelievers.
That's why I'm asking you what it means to be a true believer.
Believing once or must you continue in faithfulness to stay saved? True Biblical belief is continuing to believe.

You might not be aware there are folks who hold to OSAS that do teach you can become an unbeliever.
Hyper grace ---- Grace Evangelical Society (GES)
Free grace------- Free Grace International

Charles Stanley a well known and highly respected preacher among protestant baptists,
teaches salvation remains secure even if a believer abandons his faith.

If you cannot loose faith in Christ, then you have no freewill, aka calvinism.
The scriptures teach you can loose your faith.
Ephesians 1:13 does not teach you cannot forfeit your salvation.
It teaches God does not go back on His promises.
- ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise

A seal can signify ownership, authentication, security.
Paul is teaching this seal of the Holy Spirit is Gods guarantee of inheritance.
The next verse says so,
14 - which is the earnest of our inheritance until the day of redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of His glory

Paul says in chapter 4 verse 30,
- and grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Inheritance.

A Fathers inheritance can be guaranteed.
But the son who is promised the inheritance can forfeit his right to receive it.

Gods faithfulness to His elect is unquestionably.
Mans faithfulness to God is his choice as we are free moral agents.

Compare Ephesians 1:13-14 with Colossians 1:21-23 ; Hebrews 3:14,
- take heed brethren lest there be in you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God

- and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He hath reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:

- if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven whereof I Paul am made minister

Notice Paul's condition: - If ye continue in the faith.

That means you can leave the faith if you are warned that you must continue in your faith.

Why warn someone to continue in the faith if you cannot leave the faith?
As JimKnox teaches.

. A believer can NEVER become an unbeliever because of the keeping power of the Holy Spirit.

Paul does not teach your OSAS false doctrine.

You are preaching a doctrine that denies Paul's proof against your doctrine in Galatians 3:1-3.
I fully expect you to reject these proofs.
End. Of. Discussion.

Wrong. Paul teaches the same doctrine I teach because I learned from Paul not John Calvin.

End of discussion?
You could not answer my questions,

Question for you: Can a born again believer murder someone and before he repents, he dies,
still have eternal security?

My question exposes your doctrine as error. That's why you dodged, instead used ad hominem.
Matthew 22:29.

 

[JimKnox]

You ignored my questions.
Yes, I am very familiar with the doctrine that believers cannot become unbelievers.
That's why I'm asking you what it means to be a true believer.
Believing once or must you continue in faithfulness to stay saved? True Biblical belief is continuing to believe.

You might not be aware there are folks who hold to OSAS that do teach you can become an unbeliever.
Hyper grace ---- Grace Evangelical Society (GES)
Free grace------- Free Grace International

Charles Stanley a well known and highly respected preacher among protestant baptists,
teaches salvation remains secure even if a believer abandons his faith.

If you cannot loose faith in Christ, then you have no freewill, aka calvinism.
The scriptures teach you can loose your faith.
Ephesians 1:13 does not teach you cannot forfeit your salvation.
It teaches God does not go back on His promises.
- ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise

A seal can signify ownership, authentication, security.
Paul is teaching this seal of the Holy Spirit is Gods guarantee of inheritance.
The next verse says so,
14 - which is the earnest of our inheritance until the day of redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of His glory

Paul says in chapter 4 verse 30,
- and grieve not the Holy Spirit of God whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

Inheritance.

A Fathers inheritance can be guaranteed.
But the son who is promised the inheritance can forfeit his right to receive it.

Gods faithfulness to His elect is unquestionably.
Mans faithfulness to God is his choice as we are free moral agents.

Compare Ephesians 1:13-14 with Colossians 1:21-23 ; Hebrews 3:14,
- take heed brethren lest there be in you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God

- and you that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He hath reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:

- if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven whereof I Paul am made minister

Notice Paul's condition: - If ye continue in the faith.

That means you can leave the faith if you are warned that you must continue in your faith.

Why warn someone to continue in the faith if you cannot leave the faith?
As JimKnox teaches.

Paul does not teach your OSAS false doctrine.


Wrong. Paul teaches the same doctrine I teach because I learned from Paul not John Calvin.

End of discussion?
You could not answer my questions,

My question exposes your doctrine as error. That's why you dodged, instead used ad hominem.
Matthew 22:29.

I answered and defeated your questions.
And all you got is gaslighting and slander.

 

[Titus]

I answered and defeated your questions.
And all you got is gaslighting and slander.

Big talk, now repost where you answered my question,

Question for you: Can a born again believer murder someone and before he repents, he dies,
still have eternal security?

Prove you are being honest.

 

[Titus]

Then you misrepresented Morris repeatedly

Prove it. Prove you're honest.

Sam Morris, pastor of First Baptist Church in Stanford Texas wrote a tract titled:
" Do a Christian's Sins Damn His Soul? "

Morris: " We take the position that a Christian's sins do not damn His soul.
The way a Christian lives, what he says, his character, his conduct, or his attitude toward other people have nothing whatsoever to do with the salvation of his soul. That is settled in Christ and Christ alone."

Morris argues that even serious sins(I thought all sin were serious), including Idolatry and murder, do not place a Christian's soul in greater danger of damnation.
He argues that religious activity and good deeds do not make a Christian's soul more secure.

Morris is a OSAS proponent.
His belief is once one believes they are eternally saved based only on their belief alone.

 

[Marvelloustime]

i dont know how much you know about that man you are telling this too .
But i , being a solider of JESUS CHRIST, must absolutely warn you about him .
Do you realize and or do you know
that man epi has long came after me for even preaching the dire need TO have to FIRST beleive on JESUS .
HE is inclusivain . Do you know that while epi can preach an appearance of holiness and righteous walking
HE believes a lie .
Do you wanna know what a couple of years back hit me like a rock upside the head when i was watching that man .
I saw inclusivisim on him so i asked him if he was one . HE IS .
But you might wanna take a seat before i next tell you what he did .
And before i do tell you what he did ,,,, i already knew he would because i already had long ago read
about inclusvism in the library .
I found epi on a thread talking to an ATHEIST . TO an A THIEST mind you .
THERE WAS NO talk from epi to the atheist about HAVING to repent and BELIEVE ON JESUS .
the only hope EPI gave to that lost soul , was this , WELL if you receive a righteous man then you will
recieve a righteous mans reward . NO JESUS . NO HAV ING TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
Now , remain seated .
WHEN I came on to that site i went to the athiest .
And i reminded the athiest of his DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
And what did EPI prince of inclusivty have to say when i DID .
HE CALLED IT RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM . WHICH did not even suprise me in the least when he did .
Because as i told you i read about incluvism long ago in the library .
ANTI CHRIST has come and it has come to merge all not in the lambs book of life
to be as one man with one common plan .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Hello titus . Let all who do name the name OF JESUS the Christ depart from all inquity .
All praises with thanksgivings are due the Lord .

@amigo de christo

 

[David1701]

John 10:27-29 (W.E.B.)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

1 John 3:8,9 (E.M.T.V.)
8 He who practises sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No-one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:3,4 (E.M.T.V.)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,
4 because everything having been born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world—your faith.
5 Who is he that overcomes the world, if not he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

We who have been born of God do still commit sins sometimes, because of our unresurrected flesh (then are sorry, confess them to the Lord and are forgiven); but, we are unable to practise sin, because we have been born of God.

 

[Titus]

The good Shepard guards His sheep.
But sheep can stray from the Shepard.

The Sheperd is always faithful to His word.
But the sheep can stray from the Sheperd's word.

John 10:27-29 (W.E.B.)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

The sheep never perish because they hear the Shepherd voice(His word) they follow His word.
If the sheep stray from His word, they will perish.

Jesus teaches His sheep stray.
Jesus teaches when they do only through repentance are the sheep brought back into the fold of saftey.
Luke 15:4-7,
- What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he loose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness and go after that which is lost, until he find it
- and when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders rejoicing
- and when he cometh home he calleth together His friends and neighbors saying unto them, rejoice with me for I have found my sheep which was lost
- I say unto you likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that  repenteth more than over ninety nine just persons which need no repentance

Yes the Bible teaches Gods sheep wander away from the good Sheperd and can only be restored by repentance of their sin.

2Peter 2:20-21,
- for if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and  overcome the latter end is worse with them than the beginning
- for it had been better for them not to known the way of righteousness than after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them

Peter describes people who have escaped the world's pollutions through the knowledge of Jesus Christ(gospel) but turned back against Jesus' gospel commandment that they had already heard.
Going back into the world entangled again in sin(pollutions).

Jesus taught when sheep stray from the Sheperd they must repent.
Just as John teaches the Christian must do to be restored.
1John 1:7-10,
- but  if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin
- we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves ourselves and the truth is not in us
- if we confess our sins(repentance) He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
- If we say that we have not sinned we make Him a liar and the truth is not in us

Calvinism teaches the born again christian cannot fall away from the good Sheperd.
Jesus ,Peter and John teach they can.

Dont forget Paul,
Galatians 5:4,
- Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace

Some argue these are not saved, whom Paul speaks of.
Listen to Paul in the first verse in the same chapter.
Galatians 5:1-4,
- Standfast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of bondage

Exact same language as Peter!!!
2Peter 2:20-21- entangled again
Paul,
Galatians 5:1 - entangled again

Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, all teach the Sheperds sheep can stray from the Sheperd.
Only through repentance can they be restored to the flock.
John Calvin teaches they cannot stray, they cannot be lost.
Because they have no free will.

 

[David1701]

The good Shepard guards His sheep.
But sheep can stray from the Shepard.

The Sheperd is always faithful to His word.
But the sheep can stray from the Sheperd's word.

The sheep never perish because they hear the Shepherd voice(His word) they follow His word.
If the sheep stray from His word, they will perish.

Jesus teaches His sheep stray.
Jesus teaches when they do only through repentance are the sheep brought back into the fold of saftey.
Luke 15:4-7,
- What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he loose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness and go after that which is lost, until he find it
- and when he hath found it, he layeth it on his shoulders rejoicing
- and when he cometh home he calleth together His friends and neighbors saying unto them, rejoice with me for I have found my sheep which was lost
- I say unto you likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that  repenteth more than over ninety nine just persons which need no repentance

Yes the Bible teaches Gods sheep wander away from the good Sheperd and can only be restored by repentance of their sin.

2Peter 2:20-21,
- for if they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and  overcome the latter end is worse with them than the beginning
- for it had been better for them not to known the way of righteousness than after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them

Peter describes people who have escaped the world's pollutions through the knowledge of Jesus Christ(gospel) but turned back against Jesus' gospel commandment that they had already heard.
Going back into the world entangled again in sin(pollutions).

Jesus taught when sheep stray from the Sheperd they must repent.
Just as John teaches the Christian must do to be restored.
1John 1:7-10,
- but  if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin
- we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves ourselves and the truth is not in us
- if we confess our sins(repentance) He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
- If we say that we have not sinned we make Him a liar and the truth is not in us

Calvinism teaches the born again christian cannot fall away from the good Sheperd.
Jesus ,Peter and John teach they can.

Dont forget Paul,
Galatians 5:4,
- Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace

Some argue these are not saved, whom Paul speaks of.
Listen to Paul in the first verse in the same chapter.
Galatians 5:1-4,
- Standfast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free and be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of bondage

Exact same language as Peter!!!
2Peter 2:20-21- entangled again
Paul,
Galatians 5:1 - entangled again

Jesus, Peter, John, Paul, all teach the Sheperds sheep can stray from the Sheperd.
Only through repentance can they be restored to the flock.
John Calvin teaches they cannot stray, they cannot be lost.
Because they have no free will.

Jesus says that his sheep do hear his voice; and that they will never perish. It is the fake "sheep" who do not listen to his voice; and they will perish.

 

[Titus]

Jesus says that his sheep do hear his voice; and that they will never perish. It is the fake "sheep" who do not listen to his voice; and they will perish.

To be one of Jesus' sheep you must be saved in John 10:27-29.
The lost are only referred to as goats or wolves in sheeps clothing.
Wolves and goats are not sheep.

In Luke 15:4-7 those who go astray are sheep.
Therefore they are already His sheep.
The sheep belong to the Sheperd.

Notice verse 6,
- I have found My sheep which was lost

Jesus does not describe the lost sheep as a wolf pretending to be a sheep or a goat.

My sheep identifies the sheep as belonging to the Sheperd.


Matthew 10:6,
- but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

The jews are Gods chosen people that have gone astray, thus need to believe in their Messiah and His gospel.

The Bible never refers to those whom are already in the fold as fake sheep.
The Bible describes those among the sheep but not in the fold as wolves.
Matthew 7:15,
- beware of false prophets which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves

God already knows who will become one of His sheep.
These are lost but in their lost state are never referred to as a goat or a wolf or a fake sheep.
They will become one of His sheep.
John 10:14-16,
- I am the good Sheperd and know My sheep and am known of mine
- as the Father knoweth Me even so know I the Father and I lay down My life for the sheep
- and other sheep I have which are not of this fold them must I also bring and they shall hear My voice and there shall be one fold and one Sheperd

Jesus knows His sheep and those sheep which have not yet been added to His fold.

Never does Jesus refer to His sheep as fake.
If they are not His they are goats or wolves in sheeps clothing.

Matthew 25:32-33,
- and before Him shall be gathered all nations and He shall seperate them one from another as a shepherd divideth His sheep from the goats
- and He shall set the sheep on His right hand but the goats on His left

Yes Jesus, Peter, John and Paul teach the Lords sheep can stray and be lost.
Even when a sheep falls from grace. The word never refers to them as a fake sheep or a goat or a wolf.
They are sheep gone astray.

Goats and wolves were never saved.

 

[amigo de christo]

John 10:27-29 (W.E.B.)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

1 John 3:8,9 (E.M.T.V.)
8 He who practises sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God appeared, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
9 No-one who has been born of God practises sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:3,4 (E.M.T.V.)
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome,
4 because everything having been born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world—your faith.
5 Who is he that overcomes the world, if not he that believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

We who have been born of God do still commit sins sometimes, because of our unresurrected flesh (then are sorry, confess them to the Lord and are forgiven); but, we are unable to practise sin, because we have been born of God.

my friend this generation is now in upmost and deadly danger .
I am gonna try and explain something to you to help show you what has come upon this all inclusive ecumeincal generation .
What did paul warn us they would be saying right before SUDDEN destruction came down upon them all .
PEACE N SAFETY .
WHAT did paul try and warn them in the second letter GOD would send upon all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be saved . A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE .
And what did peter himself warn would also be occuring , EVEN IN THE CHURCHES .
right before SWIFT destruction came upon them all .
By reason of whom , as in them false prophets , the T RUTH , even the very LORD , THINK biblical JESUS
would be evil spoken of .......and that MANY would follow their perncious ways .
SOMETHING has been dropped onto this generation .
AND it has been dropped unto the false religions and the decieved lip onlys in christendom .
A DELUSION .. and that there delusion has both the false JESUS denying religoins
as well as the decieved in christendom believing they all serve the same GOD . A FAT LIE .
But , b ut what it is they believe this ecumeinal inclusvie intefaith
OF WHAT I KNOW IS ANTI CHRIST , will bring them on earth . PEACE N SAFETY .
WE HAVE SUCH A DELUSOIN RIGHT NOW and it is at work
and
they do BELIEVE it is the way to attain PEACE N SAFETY on earth .
And when a man even warns the most inclusive of them that we ABSOLUTEY must believe on JESUS
and when a man even reminds an athiest of his dire need to believe on JESUS
or any of the false religoins they must repent and beleive on JESUS , guess what that man gets called .
A HATER , a religious extremists . OH yeah we got a delsuoin all right .
AND IT IS a ST RONG UNIFYING ONE all right .
AND ITS bringing all of the false religoins , all of the decieved in christendom
to the lie we all serve the same GOD in different ways and that we must all find common ground
and be as one for world PEACE N SAFETY . THERE IT IS david . T HERE IT IS .
ITS NOT COMING , ITS HERE . ITS HERE And the DELUSION grows .

 

[Episkopos]

my friend this generation is now in upmost and deadly danger .
I am gonna try and explain something to you to help show you what has come upon this all inclusive ecumeincal generation .
What did paul warn us they would be saying right before SUDDEN destruction came down upon them all .
PEACE N SAFETY .
WHAT did paul try and warn them in the second letter GOD would send upon all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be saved . A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE .
And what did peter himself warn would also be occuring , EVEN IN THE CHURCHES .
right before SWIFT destruction came upon them all .
By reason of whom , as in them false prophets , the T RUTH , even the very LORD , THINK biblical JESUS
would be evil spoken of .......and that MANY would follow their perncious ways .
SOMETHING has been dropped onto this generation .
AND it has been dropped unto the false religions and the decieved lip onlys in christendom .
A DELUSION .. and that there delusion has both the false JESUS denying religoins
as well as the decieved in christendom believing they all serve the same GOD . A FAT LIE .
But , b ut what it is they believe this ecumeinal inclusvie intefaith
OF WHAT I KNOW IS ANTI CHRIST , will bring them on earth . PEACE N SAFETY .
WE HAVE SUCH A DELUSOIN RIGHT NOW and it is at work
and
they do BELIEVE it is the way to attain PEACE N SAFETY on earth .
And when a man even warns the most inclusive of them that we ABSOLUTEY must believe on JESUS
and when a man even reminds an athiest of his dire need to believe on JESUS
or any of the false religoins they must repent and beleive on JESUS , guess what that man gets called .
A HATER , a religious extremists . OH yeah we got a delsuoin all right .
AND IT IS a ST RONG UNIFYING ONE all right .
AND ITS bringing all of the false religoins , all of the decieved in christendom
to the lie we all serve the same GOD in different ways and that we must all find common ground
and be as one for world PEACE N SAFETY . THERE IT IS david . T HERE IT IS .
ITS NOT COMING , ITS HERE . ITS HERE And the DELUSION grows .

The real issue is the radicalization and extremism of the unlearned and unstable...like we see in the American political sphere.

Either one believes (right wing extremists) that God is unmerciful....that judgment triumphs over mercy (in their case yes)...that Jesus indeed came to condemn the world (For God so hated the world...)... OR ELSE people believe (left wing radicals) that ALL people will be saved (universalism).

BOTH extremes are radical and lack truth and balance. The truth is that God will have mercy on whom He wills. (right wing extremists deny this) We don't get to set the parameters of God's mercy. But that doesn't stop people who love to condemn do their condemning. These need to feel superior. The leftists have introduced carnal sins into the church. The rightists have introduced hypocrisy.

What people have NOT yet considered is a balance informed by the ways of God. This is totally unknown...as we can see by the many twisted responses.

 

[David1701]

To be one of Jesus' sheep you must be saved in John 10:27-29.
The lost are only referred to as goats or wolves in sheeps clothing.
Wolves and goats are not sheep.

That is partially correct.

All goats and wolves in sheep's clothing are indeed lost and are not sheep; however, there are sheep who are not saved yet.

There are lost sheep (not saved yet, but they will be - Jn. 10:16); goats and wolves in sheep's clothing (who will never be saved).

In Luke 15:4-7 those who go astray are sheep.
Therefore they are already His sheep.
The sheep belong to the Sheperd.

Notice verse 6,
- I have found My sheep which was lost

Jesus does not describe the lost sheep as a wolf pretending to be a sheep or a goat.

My sheep identifies the sheep as belonging to the Sheperd.

Yes indeed, there are lost sheep, whom the Shepherd will save; in fact, all those to whom God gives the gifts of repentance and faith were once lost sheep, but are now saved sheep.

Matthew 10:6,
- but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

The jews are Gods chosen people that have gone astray, thus need to believe in their Messiah and His gospel.

The Bible never refers to those whom are already in the fold as fake sheep.
The Bible describes those among the sheep but not in the fold as wolves.
Matthew 7:15,
- beware of false prophets which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves

The expression "fake sheep" is my own; however, I meant the same thing as "wolves in sheep's clothing".

Incidentally, Jesus' sheep are not only elect Jews, but elect Gentiles as well.

John 10:16 (E.M.T.V.) And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

In Jesus' metaphor, there are two folds (Jews and Gentiles); he also brings the elect Gentile sheep and unites them with the elect Jews, when he saves them, in the one flock, with the one Shepherd.

 

[David1701]

my friend this generation is now in upmost and deadly danger .
I am gonna try and explain something to you to help show you what has come upon this all inclusive ecumeincal generation .
What did paul warn us they would be saying right before SUDDEN destruction came down upon them all .
PEACE N SAFETY .
WHAT did paul try and warn them in the second letter GOD would send upon all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be saved . A STRONG DELUSION TO BELIEVE A LIE .
And what did peter himself warn would also be occuring , EVEN IN THE CHURCHES .
right before SWIFT destruction came upon them all .
By reason of whom , as in them false prophets , the T RUTH , even the very LORD , THINK biblical JESUS
would be evil spoken of .......and that MANY would follow their perncious ways .
SOMETHING has been dropped onto this generation .
AND it has been dropped unto the false religions and the decieved lip onlys in christendom .
A DELUSION .. and that there delusion has both the false JESUS denying religoins
as well as the decieved in christendom believing they all serve the same GOD . A FAT LIE .
But , b ut what it is they believe this ecumeinal inclusvie intefaith
OF WHAT I KNOW IS ANTI CHRIST , will bring them on earth . PEACE N SAFETY .
WE HAVE SUCH A DELUSOIN RIGHT NOW and it is at work
and
they do BELIEVE it is the way to attain PEACE N SAFETY on earth .
And when a man even warns the most inclusive of them that we ABSOLUTEY must believe on JESUS
and when a man even reminds an athiest of his dire need to believe on JESUS
or any of the false religoins they must repent and beleive on JESUS , guess what that man gets called .
A HATER , a religious extremists . OH yeah we got a delsuoin all right .
AND IT IS a ST RONG UNIFYING ONE all right .
AND ITS bringing all of the false religoins , all of the decieved in christendom
to the lie we all serve the same GOD in different ways and that we must all find common ground
and be as one for world PEACE N SAFETY . THERE IT IS david . T HERE IT IS .
ITS NOT COMING , ITS HERE . ITS HERE And the DELUSION grows .

Thank you for trying to help me; however, I've known about this for a long time.

 

[amigo de christo]

The real issue is the radicalization and extremism of the unlearned and unstable...like we see in the American political sphere.

Either one believes (right wing extremists) that God is unmerciful....that judgment triumphs over mercy (in their case yes)...that Jesus indeed came to condemn the world (For God so hated the world...)... OR ELSE people believe (left wing radicals) that ALL people will be saved (universalism).

BOTH extremes are radical and lack truth and balance. The truth is that God will have mercy on whom He wills. (right wing extremists deny this) We don't get to set the parameters of God's mercy. But that doesn't stop people who love to condemn do their condemning. These need to feel superior. The leftists have introduced carnal sins into the church. The rightists have introduced hypocrisy.

What people have NOT yet considered is a balance informed by the ways of God. This is totally unknown...as we can see by the many twisted responses.

That is why i heed no politician nor have any hope in man .
However the sad thing is ,
EPI while you do know some truth , YOU DENY THE VERY TRUTH .
GODS MERCY would never silence the voices of those who DO preach the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
nor call them relgious extremists .
You cannot see the lie in inclusivism . And thus you cannot help them epi . at most
you can only see some errors . AND OH YEAH its on BOTH SIDES all right .
Just like its all over the RCC and a ton of prostestant ville itself .
I have never once been able to get you to even say ONE MUST FIRST bELIEVE ON JESUS .
I think you actually beleive
that if , for example , you just told an athiest , or buddist or whoever ist
a teaching of JESUS then you are brin ing them the GOSPEL . BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE Epi .
And while you are SPOT on right about the fact
that lip service is dead and that these who cliam to BELIVE ON JESUS DARN SURE NEED to start
BELEIVING HIS WORDS and Actually FOLLOWIG HIM .
EPI you are just as blind as they are . Because you OMIT the fact ONE must first believe .
ITS NOT ONE or the other . ITS BOTH EPI . THEY preach only one side and omit The need to FOLLOW HIM
and YOU OMIT the fact one must f irst beleive and then try and go about teaching folks on how to follow him .
ITS B OTH EPI . if one does not BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , then all is in vain
AND if those who do cliam to BELIEVE ON HIM , but obviously DO NOT KEEP his teachings , ALL OF IT IS ALSO IN VAIN .

 

[Episkopos]

That is why i heed no politician nor have any hope in man .
However the sad thing is ,
EPI while you do know some truth , YOU DENY THE VERY TRUTH .
GODS MERCY would never silence the voices of those who DO preach the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
nor call them relgious extremists .
You cannot see the lie in inclusivism . And thus you cannot help them epi . at most
you can only see some errors . AND OH YEAH its on BOTH SIDES all right .
Just like its all over the RCC and a ton of prostestant ville itself .
I have never once been able to get you to even say ONE MUST FIRST bELIEVE ON JESUS .
I think you actually beleive
that if , for example , you just told an athiest , or buddist or whoever ist
a teaching of JESUS then you are brin ing them the GOSPEL . BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE Epi .
And while you are SPOT on right about the fact
that lip service is dead and that these who cliam to BELIVE ON JESUS DARN SURE NEED to start
BELEIVING HIS WORDS and Actually FOLLOWIG HIM .
EPI you are just as blind as they are . Because you OMIT the fact ONE must first believe .
ITS NOT ONE or the other . ITS BOTH EPI . THEY preach only one side and omit The need to FOLLOW HIM
and YOU OMIT the fact one must f irst beleive and then try and go about teaching folks on how to follow him .
ITS B OTH EPI . if one does not BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST , then all is in vain
AND if those who do cliam to BELIEVE ON HIM , but obviously DO NOT KEEP his teachings , ALL OF IT IS ALSO IN VAIN .

So then you deny that God will have mercy on whom HE wills ???????(not you or any other extremist)
can you try to answer a simple question? This is the elephant in the room.

Any extremist will take judgment out of God's hands and condemn others...only to also be condemned in return by God.

 

[David1701]

So then you deny that God will have mercy on whom HE wills ???????(not you or any other extremist)
can you try to answer a simple question? This is the elephant in the room.

Any extremist will take judgment out of God's hands and condemn others...only to also be condemned in return by God.

Salvation is by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ; and it results in good works.

Anyone who trusts in anyone or anything other than Jesus Christ is an idolater, who will end up in hell, if he does not repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

So then you deny that God will have mercy on whom HE wills ???????(not you or any other extremist)
can you try to answer a simple question? This is the elephant in the room.

Any extremist will take judgment out of God's hands and condemn others...only to also be condemned in return by God.

T alk about twisting scrips again epi . Shoo wee you bought the lie and now all you can see
is the inclusive lie .
You are the one denying God epi and his mercy and even HIS judg ment .
GOD does have mercy on whom HE will . AND HIS MERCY will never DENY HIS SON .
Your gods mercy denies having to even BELIEVE ON JESUS .
You do realize you bought a lie .............right .
HERE IS WHO is condmened .
HE WHO BLEIVES NOT THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
SO if anyone hears and belives not , they are not igonrant epi
THEY ARE WILLFULLY IGNORANT . hello wake up and stop preachig a false gopsel .
It has turned you agaisnt the preachig of the one true gopsel .
The reason you cannot see the elphant in the room
is because its ecumeincal inclusive rump sits on thine head .
ALL of the aposltes went about preaching the dire necessity to have to Believe on JESUS .
Yet when i did just that to an athiest , YA CALLED IT RELIGOUS extremism .
You are lost . You have bought THE LIE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

T alk about twisting scrips again epi . Shoo wee you bought the lie and now all you can see
is the inclusive lie .
You are the one denying God epi and his mercy and even HIS judg ment .
GOD does have mercy on whom HE will . AND HIS MERCY will never DENY HIS SON .
Your gods mercy denies having to even BELIEVE ON JESUS .
You do realize you bought a lie .............right .
HERE IS WHO is condmened .
HE WHO BLEIVES NOT THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
SO if anyone hears and belives not , they are not igonrant epi
THEY ARE WILLFULLY IGNORANT . hello wake up and stop preachig a false gopsel .
It has turned you agaisnt the preachig of the one true gopsel .
The reason you cannot see the elphant in the room
is because its ecumeincal inclusive rump sits on thine head .
ALL of the aposltes went about preaching the dire necessity to have to Believe on JESUS .
Yet when i did just that to an athiest , YA CALLED IT RELIGOUS extremism .
You are lost . You have bought THE LIE .

@amigo de christo