Flat Earth Theory

[Psalm-147:3]

It saddens me that people here explain God's Word away and have all kinds of explanations why it does not mean what it says plainly.
How can we believe the gospel, are they explaining that away too? What about child like faith. It's hard to see that, it grieves my heart. How does God feel about that? I wonder

 

[soberxp]

It saddens me that people here explain God's Word away and have all kinds of explanations why it does not mean what it says plainly.
How can we believe the gospel, are they explaining that away too? What about child like faith. It's hard to see that, it grieves my heart. How does God feel about that? I wonder

No wonder.
The water turning bitter might have a double meaning.
1.Literal meaning.
2. The gospel has turned bitter.

 

[Jay Ross]

Mathematical theory states that the circumference of a circle approaches a straight line as the radius approaches infinity.

 

[soberxp]

Mathematical theory states that the circumference of a circle approaches a straight line as the radius approaches infinity.

So did God draw the straight line first or the circle?
0000000000000000000001.1415926

 

[Simple Dan]

The information in the below video can be completely verified through multiple sources.

Its a short one.

Now be honest. If you actually took the few minutes out of your life required to view the information, were you previously aware of this information? What does that say about the control of information? How could the control of information shape your perspective? Would you consider the control of this information conspiratorial? What other information might be hidden from you?

Enjoy.

The World Map Is a Lie: How the Mercator Projection Warped Our Minds | Make This Make Sense

The world map you grew up with is wrong. A 16th-century map designed for sailors ended up shipwrecking our minds, and shaping global superpowers, for centuries. The Mercator projection hugely distorts

rumble.com

 

[Chihuahua]

The information in the below video can be completely verified through multiple sources.

Its a short one.

Now be honest. If you actually took the few minutes out of your life required to view the information, were you previously aware of this information? What does that say about the control of information? How could the control of information shape your perspective? Would you consider the control of this information conspiratorial? What other information might be hidden from you?

Enjoy.

The World Map Is a Lie: How the Mercator Projection Warped Our Minds | Make This Make Sense

The world map you grew up with is wrong. A 16th-century map designed for sailors ended up shipwrecking our minds, and shaping global superpowers, for centuries. The Mercator projection hugely distorts

rumble.com

Generally most people are aware that 2D maps do not and cannot accurately display the map of the globe. There is no conspiracy. There are just general preferences.

 

[Grailhunter]

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

 

[Taken]

Yes there certainly are mountains. This thread is referring to the overall shape of the earth on the grand scale. It might be a plane (and so people call it flat), you could call even call it a plane with mountains and dips, or it might be a globe.

Flat earth does not have to have the definition of pure flatness in the strictest sense. It could be an overall description of the general shape.

So a Disc…opposed to a Sphere?

 

[ProDeo]

The information in the below video can be completely verified through multiple sources.

Its a short one.

Now be honest. If you actually took the few minutes out of your life required to view the information, were you previously aware of this information? What does that say about the control of information? How could the control of information shape your perspective? Would you consider the control of this information conspiratorial? What other information might be hidden from you?

Enjoy.

The World Map Is a Lie: How the Mercator Projection Warped Our Minds | Make This Make Sense

The world map you grew up with is wrong. A 16th-century map designed for sailors ended up shipwrecking our minds, and shaping global superpowers, for centuries. The Mercator projection hugely distorts

rumble.com

Nice video, standard stuff, Mercator stretching out the heavens and make the globe look flat [Isa 40:21-22], for the purpose of a better understanding of the world, no conspiracy.

Isa 40:21 Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isa 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

 

[Simple Dan]

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

I'm glad you brought up the subject of delusion.

From Wiki
A delusion[a] is a fixed belief that is not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence.[2] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, hallucination, or some other misleading effects of perception, as individuals with those beliefs are able to change or readjust their beliefs upon reviewing the evidence. However:
"The distinction between a delusion and a strongly held idea is sometimes difficult to make and depends in part on the degree of conviction with which the belief is held despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity."[2]

From Merriam Webster

delusion​

noun​

de·lu·sion di-ˈlü-zhən
dē-

Synonyms of delusion
1
a
: a false idea or belief
under the delusion that they will finish on schedule

delusions of grandeur

b
psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary
the delusion that someone was out to hurt him

also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

2
: the act of tricking or deceiving someone : the state of being deluded

There are many people who have been blessed by God with the ability to question the accepted narratives, they are small in number, but their numbers are growing.
There are many other people, most sadly, who are completely incapable of doing so. By definition, it is those people who in fact, suffer from delusion.

The Bible tells us that Satan is a liar. The bible tells us that Satan is the god of this world. The bible tells us that the whole world "lieth in wickedness". The bible warns us not to love the world or the things in the world. The bible warns us not to trust in men. The bible tells us that many are called but few will be chosen. Should I continue? Would it matter at all if I did?

Those of us who have been blessed to see beyond the veil, to question what those who have been blinded by science and academia can never question, are often so overwhelmed by the amount of misinformation and outright lies that we have been indoctrinated from birth to believe that we cannot help but question our own sanity at times. These are not the actions of a delusional person, delusional people never question their own sanity, or their perceptions of reality, they cannot do so.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Simple Dan]

Nice video, standard stuff, Mercator stretching out the heavens and make the globe look flat [Isa 40:21-22], for the purpose of a better understanding of the world, no conspiracy.

Isa 40:21 Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?
Isa 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in;

Job 22:14
Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

Circuit
H2329. חוּג ḥûg̱: A masculine noun indicating a circle, a vault, the horizon (circular). Figuratively, it refers to the “roof” or vault of the heavens which the Lord walks on or sits on (Job 22:14; Isa. 40:22); the horizon or circular edge of the deep (ḥûg̱ ‘al-penēy tehôm) (Prov. 8:27) that God established at the time He created the earth.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Circle
H2329. חוּג ḥûg̱: A masculine noun indicating a circle, a vault, the horizon (circular). Figuratively, it refers to the “roof” or vault of the heavens which the Lord walks on or sits on (Job 22:14; Isa. 40:22); the horizon or circular edge of the deep (ḥûg̱ ‘al-penēy tehôm) (Prov. 8:27) that God established at the time He created the earth.

Nothing about a globe here

Quite the opposite actually.

Do you also believe in evolutionary biology? Do you believe we were formed in some primordial soup, evolved to swing from trees, and later walked uprightly, as the Darwinists insist?

Copied from an earlier post, just in case you missed it.

The relationship between the church (Roman and Protestant alike) and heliocentrism is a long one, and full of complexity.

Here's a very thorough treatment of the subject you may find useful.

The Roman Catholic Church and heliocentrism - Cosmology History​

The involvement of the Roman Catholic Church in the development of heliocentrism.
cosmologyhistory.org

The theory that all matter in the universe emanated from a single source, or "the hypothesis of the primeval atom" was put forth by the Jesuit astronomer
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.

This theory of course, is a complete contradiction to the Genesis account of Gods creation. Many argue that when God said "let there be light", this was the beginning of the universe, and site the "Big Bang" as merely our scientific understanding of the event in question.

Side note; the word "universe" cannot be found in the original manuscripts of either the Hebrew or Greek scriptures. Many modern translations render "cosmos" as universe, a subtle but noteworthy insertion of modern cosmological theories into the text.
But I digress.

However, when one views the text we clearly see the Spirit of God hovering upon the face of the waters "before" light had been created.

Genesis 1:1-3 (KJV)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

In fact, we have earth and water already mentioned before the six days of creation began, prior to Gods creation of light, the division of light from darkness, or the division of the waters causing dry land to appear.

None of this either confirms or denies the shape of the earth. But it does draw into question the idea of the Big Bang, which is clearly the source of all modern heliocentric cosmological models.

Could it be that evolutionary cosmology is just as questionable as evolutionary biology? And why would anyone who doubts the veracity of the claims of evolutionary biology, be more inclined to agree with the claims of evolutionary cosmology? Its an inconsistency of argument which has always left me scratching my head.

But of course, everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.

Feel free to browse my other posts in other threads, particularly those of a theological nature. Do I sound delusional to you? Or grounded in my faith? We may disagree on some theological points, that's allowed. But I ask again, do my comments concerning things of a biblical or spiritual nature appear delusional?

 

[Simple Dan]

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

Copied from an earlier post, just in case you missed it.

The relationship between the church (Roman and Protestant alike) and heliocentrism is a long one, and full of complexity.

Here's a very thorough treatment of the subject you may find useful.

The Roman Catholic Church and heliocentrism - Cosmology History​

The involvement of the Roman Catholic Church in the development of heliocentrism.
cosmologyhistory.org

The theory that all matter in the universe emanated from a single source, or "the hypothesis of the primeval atom" was put forth by the Jesuit astronomer
Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître.

This theory of course, is a complete contradiction to the Genesis account of Gods creation. Many argue that when God said "let there be light", this was the beginning of the universe, and site the "Big Bang" as merely our scientific understanding of the event in question.

Side note; the word "universe" cannot be found in the original manuscripts of either the Hebrew or Greek scriptures. Many modern translations render "cosmos" as universe, a subtle but noteworthy insertion of modern cosmological theories into the text.
But I digress.

However, when one views the text we clearly see the Spirit of God hovering upon the face of the waters "before" light had been created.

Genesis 1:1-3 (KJV)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

In fact, we have earth and water already mentioned before the six days of creation began, prior to Gods creation of light, the division of light from darkness, or the division of the waters causing dry land to appear.

None of this either confirms or denies the shape of the earth. But it does draw into question the idea of the Big Bang, which is clearly the source of all modern heliocentric cosmological models.

Could it be that evolutionary cosmology is just as questionable as evolutionary biology? And why would anyone who doubts the veracity of the claims of evolutionary biology, be more inclined to agree with the claims of evolutionary cosmology? Its an inconsistency of argument which has always left me scratching my head.

But of course, everyone is free to draw their own conclusions.

Feel free to browse my other posts in other threads, particularly those of a theological nature. Do I sound delusional to you? Or grounded in my faith? We may disagree on some theological points, that's allowed. But I ask again, do my comments concerning things of a biblical or spiritual nature appear delusional?

 

[Grailhunter]

I'm glad you brought up the subject of delusion.

From Wiki
A delusion[a] is a fixed belief that is not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence.[2] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, hallucination, or some other misleading effects of perception, as individuals with those beliefs are able to change or readjust their beliefs upon reviewing the evidence. However:
"The distinction between a delusion and a strongly held idea is sometimes difficult to make and depends in part on the degree of conviction with which the belief is held despite clear or reasonable contradictory evidence regarding its veracity."[2]

From Merriam Webster

delusion​

noun​

de·lu·sion di-ˈlü-zhən
dē-

Synonyms of delusion
1
a
: a false idea or belief
under the delusion that they will finish on schedule

delusions of grandeur

b
psychology : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary
the delusion that someone was out to hurt him

also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

2
: the act of tricking or deceiving someone : the state of being deluded

There are many people who have been blessed by God with the ability to question the accepted narratives, they are small in number, but their numbers are growing.
There are many other people, most sadly, who are completely incapable of doing so. By definition, it is those people who in fact, suffer from delusion.

The Bible tells us that Satan is a liar. The bible tells us that Satan is the god of this world. The bible tells us that the whole world "lieth in wickedness". The bible warns us not to love the world or the things in the world. The bible warns us not to trust in men. The bible tells us that many are called but few will be chosen. Should I continue? Would it matter at all if I did?

Those of us who have been blessed to see beyond the veil, to question what those who have been blinded by science and academia can never question, are often so overwhelmed by the amount of misinformation and outright lies that we have been indoctrinated from birth to believe that we cannot help but question our own sanity at times. These are not the actions of a delusional person, delusional people never question their own sanity, or their perceptions of reality, they cannot do so.

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (KJV)
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

 

[Simple Dan]

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

Yeah, so you said.

Thanks for making my point.

Try a larger text next time.

There's no fool like an old fool

Keep hunting that grail.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yeah, so you said.

Thanks for making my point.

Try a larger text next time.

There's no fool like an old fool

Keep hunting that grail.

There is no upside to delusional thinking of reality. It is usually indicative of mental illness or brainwashing. It is no service to Christianity to make it seem delusional or to make belief in God and faith in Yeshua delusional. Because if you are so wrong about the world being flat, maybe they will think you are wrong about God being real too. Most people understand that delusional thinking is associated with cults and nothing they would want their children involved with.

 

[Lizbeth]

Part 2

Indeed GOD warns us of "drinking from the wells of extra biblical sources"

When you drink of NASA, you are in fact drinking from "extra-biblical" sources!

Even worse is that NASA is Satan's mouthpiece for the world and especially welcomes christians.
Satan is the god of this world and he is in charge of the flow of information and so-called 'science'.
Every 'house' has a foundation = NASA foundation is from satanists, occultists, Nazi scientists, atheists, Masons and more

When you drink from NASA you drink from those forementioned.


Your message is approved by Satan = which was his goal from the Beginning = Romans 1:18-20

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

The TRUE and LIVING GOD created the world which includes FACTUAL science.
Satan countered with his science which is based on falsehood and lies promoted and authenticated by his 'experts'.
The globalists who control the world are "children of the world" and are WISER/Crafty/Intellectual Giants as compared to the "sons of LIGHT" = 1 Corinthians 1:26-29 and 1 Cor 1:18-19

Brothers, consider the time of your calling: Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were powerful; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly and despised things of the world, and the things that are not, to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast in His presence.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1
For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the intelligence of the intelligent.”

WATER brings to nothing the "dark intelligence" of a globe earth spinning at 1,000mph = 'proven' to the world by NASA lying CGI

Only by the Wisdom of the Cross are we set FREE from sin and the mind control of Satan's world deception

We know that we are children of God and the entire world around us is under the control of the evil one - 1 John 5:19

When we drink from God's Well of the Holy Spirit, HE then will guide us in all Truth = including the Creation = WATER

WATER is the scientific evidence given from GOD to us that exposes the lie of a globe earth.

TRUE scientists know this and therefore they are forbidden to speak or they will lose their career.

World Record Long Distance photos, some as far as 700 miles, scientifically, expose the lie of a globe earth.

You can sit down with a Jew and show from Torah and the OT prophets the many Declarations of CHRIST,
but they cannot SEE unless God opens their understanding

Same is true of Catholics, Muslims, SDA, pre-trib rapture adherents, Mormons, Watchtower adherents and on and on

GOD's science of Creation or we drink from the well of the satanists who Control education, sciences, MEDIA, Internet, religion and all governments

Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

www.spacesafetymagazine.com

I don't drink from NASA's well and I hope I don't have my trust in fallible and corruptible institutions of this world. NASA wasn't around when the basics of astronomy and physics were discovered. I believe there are also plenty of scientists and observatories and research labs that are not affiliated with NASA. And I suspect most scientists are not foaming at the mouth rabid anti-God atheists but are simply doing their jobs and following their findings without any reference to God and the bible one way or the other. Although perhaps there are more rabid atheists than there used to be a generation or two ago.....people in the west (as far as I can tell) seem to be filling up with evil more these days than in the Christianized past. I do read the bible and so far I just don't see where the basics of astronomy and physics are conflicting with scripture.

I still don't know what you mean when you talk about water...are you wondering why it isn't all sloshing out of place because the earth is spinning? Is there a scientific explanation....?.....to my limited knowledge, gravity and perhaps atmospheric pressure (as well as the earthen basins or vessels that it sits in) is holding it all more or less in place..? As the LORD designed it to be thus. Water is very heavy. Where you have mentioned weight a couple of times.....what is weight? ......is there such a thing as weight without gravitational force? And as for the 700 mile long distance photo.....I think light bends if my memory of high school science serves...I don't know all the complex science but could it be a factor?

It occurs to me that both sides here make use of science and reasoning to try to either prove or disprove science... "Science" in itself is not evil. The Lord said in His word that we may make use of the things of this world as long as are not enamoured with them (which I take to mean, not making an idol out of or placing our reliance on things of this world). We do have God given brains and powers of observation and to Him be the glory, and scientists generally are blessed with brains with an affinity for science more than average...we all may make use of what we have for things to do with practical life in this world while we are here. Ignorance is a form of darkness.....that is why Christian missionaries have sought to establish hospitals and schools in places that lacked.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't drink from NASA's well and I hope I don't have my trust in fallible and corruptible institutions of this world. NASA wasn't around when the basics of astronomy and physics were discovered. And I suspect most scientists are not foaming at the mouth rabid anti-God atheists but are simply doing their jobs and following their findings without any reference to God and the bible one way or the other. Although perhaps there are more rabid atheists than there used to be a generation or two ago.....people in the west (as far as I can tell) seem to be filling up with evil more these days than in the Christianized past. I do read the bible and so far I just don't see where the basics of astronomy and physics are conflicting with scripture.

I still don't know what you mean when you talk about water...are you wondering why it isn't all sloshing out of place because the earth is spinning? Is there a scientific explanation....?.....to my limited knowledge, gravity and perhaps atmospheric pressure (as well as the earthen basins or vessels that it sits in) is holding it all more or less in place..? As the LORD designed it to be thus. Water is very heavy. Where you have mentioned weight a couple of times.....what is weight? ......is there such a thing as weight without gravitational force? And as for the 700 mile long distance photo.....I think light bends if my memory of high school science serves...I don't know all the complex science but could it be a factor?

It occurs to me that both sides here make use of science and reasoning to try to either prove or disprove science... "Science" in itself is not evil. The Lord said in His word that we may make use of the things of this world as long as are not enamoured with them (which I take to mean, not making an idol out of or placing our reliance on things of this world). We do have God given brains and powers of observation and to Him be the glory, and scientists generally are blessed with brains with an affinity for science more than average...we all may make use of what we have for things to do with practical life in this world while we are here. Ignorance is a form of darkness.....that is why Christian missionaries have sought to establish hospitals and schools in places that lacked.

Good Morning my Sister in CHRIST Lizbeth

Satans plan has always been to deceive the world thru his manipulation of science - "so called"

Nimrod and his workings was the first NASA = Genesis

GENESIS is the Foundation of all TRUTH that will follow.

I believe there are also plenty of scientists and observatories and research labs that are not affiliated with NASA.

1 John 5:19 - We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the control of the wicked one.

Satan controls the worlds education system especially science = all scientists must adhere to the education system established by the past 6,000 years.

There are no 'good people' on earth there only exists people that can do some 'good' because of CHRIST = Eph 2:1-3

And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you used to walk
A.) when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air,
B.) the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.
C.) All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath.

I still don't know what you mean when you talk about water...are you wondering why it isn't all sloshing out of place because the earth is spinning? Is there a scientific explanation....?.....to my limited knowledge, gravity and perhaps atmospheric pressure (as well as the earthen basins or vessels that it sits in) is holding it all more or less in place..?

A.) Gravity cannot be proven because it does not exist = this they are forced to admit but still make excuses as if it does exist

B.) the absence of 'gravity' is EASILY Proven

C.) WATER easily Proves we are on a LEVEL Plane/Surface with hills, mountains, valleys, land depressions where WATER sits LEVEL
WATER rushes DOWN a river = never up a river = you have seen 'water FALLS' = yes

D.) World Record Long Distance photos easily Proves GOD Speaks TRUTH = we are not on a globe/ball spinning 1,000mph

GOD's Science is GOOD and it is TRUTH and it is FACTUAL Science= WATER

ALWAYS read and remind yourself of Romans 1:18 -20 and Job 38:1-6 and Jeremiah 31:35-37

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

 

[Lizbeth]

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. - Romans 1:18-20

Brother I think I understand what you are trying to point out with this finally, but don't forget Romans was written long before scientific research and telescopes. So He wasn't talking about that.....He must have been talking about creation as clearly visible to the naked eye. Even the heavens declare the glory of God....just what we can see with our own eyes.

I don't see how believing that there are complex processes and that there is a force of gravity and that the earth and other planets are shaped as spheres etc suppresses the truth about God......to me it all glorifies He who invented and created it all..........and if we think man was capable of inventing all these complex processes as lies, that would seem to take the glory away from God.

 

[David in NJ]

Brother I think I understand what you are trying to point out with this finally, but don't forget Romans was written long before scientific research and telescopes. So He wasn't talking about that.....He must have been talking about creation as clearly visible to the naked eye. Even the heavens declare the glory of God....just what we can see with our own eyes.

I don't see how believing that there are complex processes and that there is a force of gravity and that the earth and other planets are shaped as spheres etc suppresses the truth about God......to me it all glorifies He who invented and created it all..........and if we think man was capable of inventing all these complex processes as lies, that would seem to take the glory away from God.

The HOLY SPIRIT penned Romans thru Paul = not vice versa

Genesis 1:2
n the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep.
And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

I don't see how believing that there are complex processes and that there is a force of gravity

My dear Sister, gravity does not exist for God never created it = the globalists came up with gravity

Ephesians 2:1-3 = we all have been educated/indoctrinated by satan's world ruling education system

Gravity does not exist except in peoples minds because of the ruling authority of Satan over the world

THEY knew that WATER exposes their lies = therefore they created the lie of gravity to support the LIE of a globe earth


SAME as pre-trib rapture = they create lie after lie in order to deny Matthew chapter 24

SAME as Watchtower = "the Word was a god"

SAME as Vatican/RCC = pray to Mary, pray to statues, worship the antichrist pope

 

[David in NJ]

Is that we we have been told not to go chasing waterfalls?

love it - thank you for today's lol