Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[Ronald D Milam]

woe 2. the one third of mankind killed by the large 200,000,000 size army (near the end of the 7years)

This is an Angelic Army, not 200K men, its plagues of God read verses 20-21. So, its not near the end per se, people link this with the Kings of the East, its not that at all. THINK, one is in the 2nd Woe and the other is in the 3rd Woe. Not the same, people just get confused by it. I used to also.

woe 3. the wrath of Satan (for a time, times, half time)

Woe 3 is the 7th Trumps 7 Vials. The Woes are all from God. You conflate Satan having wrath that his time is short unto God's 3 Woes. That is an error my friend.

Ronald, another way of determining the fit of the two witnesses's 1260 days is the matching of all the like time expressions together, as show on this table.

I do it the proper way, through timing tells, trying to limit how and when Gid can use words create wrong paths we go down.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Describe what the 2nd woe will be.

We see it in Rev. 9, the 200 Million Angels (10,000 x 10,000 x 2 is really just God saying COMPLETION via the Complete Hosts of Heaven) bring Plagues that kill 1/3 of the men WITH WHAT? The Mark of the Beast !! Satan CANNOT kill Satan Jesus told us that.

So, Woe #2 happen in Rev. 9, not Rev. 11, its just a 2 Witnesses Ministry chapter or a Parenthetical Citation Chapter.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th trump.3rd woe does not happen in any part of chp 12. It has the word "woe" 3 times but not related to the woe trumps.

You are saying that Revelation 12 has the word "woe" in it, 3 times ? What three verses in Revelation 12 ?

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Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

That is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

 

[Douggg]

Woe 3 is the 7th Trumps 7 Vials. The Woes are all from God. You conflate Satan having wrath that his time is short unto God's 3 Woes. That is an error my friend.

The text of Revelation 12:12 says "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

Differently, the 7 vials are 7 vials of God's wrath, that will be poured out by seven angels in Revelation 16.. Those are not called "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

 

[ewq1938]

You are saying that Revelation 12 has the word "woe" in it, 3 times ? What three verses in Revelation 12 ?

I misremembered. There is just one woe there. Why would you claim it's the 3rd woe?

 

[Douggg]

I misremembered. There is just one woe there. Why would you claim it's the 3rd woe?

Because the other two woes - by the 5th angel sounding and the 6th angel sounding are described in Revelation 9.

The 7th angel third woe - is highlighted as "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in Revelation 12:12 as being Satan being cast down to earth having great wrath knowing that his time is short.

 

[shepherdsword]

The text of Revelation 12:12 says "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

Differently, the 7 vials are 7 vials of God's wrath, that will be poured out by seven angels in Revelation 16.. Those are not called "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

The 7 vials begin when Jesus returns at the 7th(last) Trump. They will last 45 days. They are part of the 3rd woe

Jesus returns 1290 day after the abomination of desolation takes place
Da 12:11-13
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

The 7 vial judgements take 45 days. Blessed are all those that survive

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Douggg]

The 7 vials begin when Jesus returns at the 7th(last) Trump.

No, the 7 vials end before Jesus returns.

The 7th vial is poured out in Revelation 16:17 as the kings of the earth have gathered their armies at Armageddon in Revelation 16:16.

 

[shepherdsword]

No, the 7 vials end before Jesus returns.

The 7th vial is poured out in Revelation 16:17 as the kings of the earth have gathered their armies at Armageddon in Revelation 16:16.

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Putting it on a chart doesn't make it true. You seem to think these charts carry some sort of authority. They are just re- vamped charts from the Larkin/Dake era. With slight variations on the central pre-trib theme.

 

[Douggg]

Putting it on a chart doesn't make it true. You seem to think these charts carry some sort of authority. They are just re- vamped charts from the Larkin/Dake era. With slight variations on the central pre-trib theme.

No, the Larkin charts do not look like any of my charts.

The excerpt I posted is from this chart of mine.

 

[Davidpt]

The 7 vials begin when Jesus returns at the 7th(last) Trump. They will last 45 days. They are part of the 3rd woe

I agree except for maybe one thing, that Jesus is bodily present during all 7 vials.

Notice this verse first.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


That is sandwhiched between the 6th and 7th vial. That's an odd place for John to have inserted that if the idea is that Christ bodily returns at the beginning of the last 7 vials.

Not to mention, take the following vial, for example.

Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Though, they did not repent of their deeds, repentance is still an option at this point, apparently. Does it seem reasonable after Christ has bodily returned that repentance can still be an option? It says they repented not of their deeds. What kind of deeds would they continue doing after Christ has bodily returned that they would refuse to repent of doing? When Christ returns He won't be returning alone. The last thing one will be doing when Christ returns is continuing to do the deeds they were doing before He returned. Whatever those deeds might be.

 

[Douggg]

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


That is sandwhiched between the 6th and 7th vial. That's an odd place for John to have inserted that if the idea is that Christ bodily returns at the beginning of the last 7 vials.

Jesus does not return until after all of the vials have been poured out.

 

[Douggg]

This is an Angelic Army, not 200K men, its plagues of God read verses 20-21. So, its not near the end per se, people link this with the Kings of the East, its not that at all. THINK, one is in the 2nd Woe and the other is in the 3rd Woe. Not the same, people just get confused by it. I used to also.

Ronald, there are four (evil) angels involved in the 2nd woe.

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Those four angels will influence the kings of the east and their 200,000,000 man army- that near the end of the 7 years to motivate the kings to march westward with their 200,000,000 man army to attack the beast king located in Jerusalem.

They will be marching through Pakistan and India, two populous areas, which will take the brunt of the killing of a third of mankind.

In Daniel 11:44, the approaching 200,000,000 army of the kings of the east is the tidings from the east that will trouble the beast king.

Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

As the 200,000,000 army is drawn into the middle east, the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and the attack on the beast-king will stop. And the kings of the earth will unite against the threat of Jesus appearing in heaven, sickle in hand.

 

[shepherdsword]

I agree except for maybe one thing, that Jesus is bodily present during all 7 vials.

Notice this verse first.

Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


That is sandwhiched between the 6th and 7th vial. That's an odd place for John to have inserted that if the idea is that Christ bodily returns at the beginning of the last 7 vials.

Not to mention, take the following vial, for example.

Revelation 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Though, they did not repent of their deeds, repentance is still an option at this point, apparently. Does it seem reasonable after Christ has bodily returned that repentance can still be an option? It says they repented not of their deeds. What kind of deeds would they continue doing after Christ has bodily returned that they would refuse to repent of doing? When Christ returns He won't be returning alone. The last thing one will be doing when Christ returns is continuing to do the deeds they were doing before He returned. Whatever those deeds might be.

Maybe these deeds?

Rv 9:20-21
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is the seventh trumpet third woe to the inhabitors of the earth ?

The seventh trumpet is mentioned in Revelation 10:7 and events related to it are described in Revelation 11:15-18. I trust that you have those verses in your Bible.

 

[Douggg]

The seventh trumpet is mentioned in Revelation 10:7 and events related to it are described in Revelation 11:15-18. I trust that you have those verses in your Bible.

What is the third "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

Revelation 11:15-18 does not have "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the text. Go to Revelation 12:12.

Do you not understand the difference between the reaction by them in heaven to what the third woe is and the third woe itself ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is the third "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

The three woes correspond to the events related to the last 3 trumpets.

Revelation 8:13 And I looked, and I heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, “Woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!”

The third woe equates to the seventh trumpet. The events related to the seventh trumpet are described here...

Revelation 10:7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 11:15-18 does not have "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the text.

LOL. That means nothing. The three woes clearly relate to the last 3 trumpets, so you have to look at the description of what happens at the seventh trumpet to see what will happen at the third woe. Very simple.

Go to Revelation 12:12.

Do you not understand the difference between the reaction by them in heaven to what the third woe is and the third woe itself ?

I understand far more than you understand. That is for certain. And I understand what anyone without extreme doctrinal bias like you understands, which is that the third woe correlates with the seventh trumpet and the events of the seventh trumpet are described in Revelation 11:15-18.

 

[Douggg]

the third woe correlates with the seventh trumpet and the events of the seventh trumpet are described in Revelation 11:15-18.

You don't understand that Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction of them in heaven to what the third woe revealed as being.

Look at Revelation 12:12. See what it says in blue? Revelation 11:15-18 is the rejoicing reaction, by the 24 elders in heaven.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You don't understand that Revelation 11:15-18 is the reaction of them in heaven to what the third woe revealed as being.

That statement makes no sense. That passage clearly describes the events related to the seventh trumpet/third woe. I'm amazed when you miss such obvious things as this.

Look at Revelation 12:12. See what it says in blue? Revelation 11:15-18 is the rejoicing reaction, by the 24 elders in heaven.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

You make no sense. That verse is not talking about the seventh trumpet/third woe. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Douggg]

You make no sense. That verse is not talking about the seventh trumpet/third woe. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Are the 24 elders in heaven in Revelation 11:15-18 not rejoicing ?

Does Revelation 12:12, not also say "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" ?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.