Overview time line chart of the 7 years

[shepherdsword]

Yes, the 1260 days of two witnesses will be in the first half of the seven years.

Also the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 will be in the first half of the seven years.

Can't you see that the like time frames are grouped together - to be in either the first half or second half ?

The two witnesses do not begin their testimony until after the 6th Trumpet. When they are finished the 7th Trumpet sounds

 

[Douggg]

The two witnesses do not begin their testimony until after the 6th Trumpet. When they are finished the 7th Trumpet sounds

You are misunderstanding what the text of Revelation 11:14 is.

Revelation 11:14 is an inserted comment to the readers of Revelation. That the subject matter is being changed back to talking about the woes. The second woe was revealed in back in Revelation 9 what it will be. The third woe to the inhabiters of the earth would soon be revealed in Revelation 12:12 what it will be. And in Revelation 12:14 how long it will last.


Here is how you are contemplating Revelation 11. You are contemplating that right after the great earthquake in Jerusalem, then the seventh angel sounds his trumpet - right ?

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[rvmb]

Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No.

Obviously "body of Christ" is not your strong point.

 

[rvmb]

Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No.

You don't know the answer ?

 

[shepherdsword]

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You don't know the answer ?

Stop dodging and answer the question.

 

[shepherdsword]

Obviously "body of Christ" is not your strong point.

Stop dodging and answer the question.

 

[rvmb]

Stop dodging and answer the question.

How about you concentrate

Stop dodging and answer the question.

""Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No."
Paul teaches what The Body of Christ is, your problem if you don't like it

 

[rvmb]

Stop dodging and answer the question.

Paul teaches what the Body of Christ is, maybe read up & learn it

 

[Douggg]

Paul teaches what the Body of Christ is, maybe read up & learn it

When speaking about the body of Christ, metaphorically, is collectively all Christian believers in Jesus.

 

[rvmb]

When speaking about the body of Christ, metaphorically, is collectively all Christian believers in Jesus.

There is confusion out there.
Hopefully this is of help.
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The Church (the Body of Christ) - doctrine.org

Introduction What is the Church? When did it begin? The answer to the second question depends upon the answer to the first. Seven key passages in the New Testament describe the Church. They are the following: Ephesians 1.22-23; 2.11-22; 3.3-9;…

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[shepherdsword]

How about you concentrate

""Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No."
Paul teaches what The Body of Christ is, your problem if you don't like it

Stop dodging and answer the question.
Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No.

 

[shepherdsword]

Paul teaches what the Body of Christ is, maybe read up & learn it

Stop dodging and answer the question.
Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No.

 

[rvmb]

Stop dodging and answer the question.
Can you be part of the body of Christ and not be a "body of Christ" church? Yes or No.

Here's the answer you require

The Church (the Body of Christ) - doctrine.org

Introduction What is the Church? When did it begin? The answer to the second question depends upon the answer to the first. Seven key passages in the New Testament describe the Church. They are the following: Ephesians 1.22-23; 2.11-22; 3.3-9;…

doctrine.org

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[shepherdsword]

Here's the answer you require

The Church (the Body of Christ) - doctrine.org

Introduction What is the Church? When did it begin? The answer to the second question depends upon the answer to the first. Seven key passages in the New Testament describe the Church. They are the following: Ephesians 1.22-23; 2.11-22; 3.3-9;…

doctrine.org

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I asked for a simple "yes or no" answer. You refused because of the dilemma such an answer presented. If you said "no" that would be an obvious contradiction that would be easily exposed. If you said "yes" it would mean you had to agree that the Church of Ephesus was a genuine, as you like to say, "body of Christ" church and refute your whole argument that Rv 2 wasn't written to the body of Christ.

The seven churches in Rv 2-3 were not Jewish synagogues outside the dispensation of grace. They were actual members of the body of Christ and subject to Christ's discipline. The reason for my continuing with this charade of yours is that your "two gospel" message that ignores the teachings of Jesus as part of a different dispensation is a dangerous heresy that needs to be refuted. I will leave you with this once again:

1 Ti 6:3-4 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

 

[rvmb]

I asked for a simple "yes or no" answer. You refused because of the dilemma such an answer presented. If you said "no" that would be an obvious contradiction that would be easily exposed. If you said "yes" it would mean you had to agree that the Church of Ephesus was a genuine, as you like to say, "body of Christ" church and refute your whole argument that Rv 2 wasn't written to the body of Christ.

The seven churches in Rv 2-3 were not Jewish synagogues outside the dispensation of grace. They were actual members of the body of Christ and subject to Christ's discipline. The reason for my continuing with this charade of yours is that your "two gospel" message that ignores the teachings of Jesus as part of a different dispensation is a dangerous heresy that needs to be refuted. I will leave you with this once again:

1 Ti 6:3-4 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

In that case you qualifications/experience exceeds that of this Author giving you the credibility required to dismiss what he teaches.:)
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[Ronald D Milam]

Jerusalem will be trampled for 1260 days:

Rv 11:2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.(1260 days)

The two witnesses will prophesy 1260 days

Rv 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Israel will be protected 1260 days

Rv 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The Antichrist will only hold power for 1260 days

Rv 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.(1260 days)

Why not 1335? Could it be this?

Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

However, even if there are 1335 days it doesn't back your view that the woe in Rev 12 is the third one. Nor does it dispute that fact that Jesus returns at the 7th Trumpet in Rev 11.

The numbers are reversed in how we think of them, each number represents an event. We understand the 1260 is the Little Horn/AC/Beast. However, the 1260 is in the middle of the week, so we all missed it for 2000 years reread Dan. 12:6-7 and in brief, it says this the Angel asks a preincarnate Jesus (Man in Linen) "HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL ALL THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45 and even Dan. 12:1-2) END?" And what is it that ends the Anti-Christs rule of terror? Jesus' showing up at the 2nd coming who will kill him WITHOUT HANDS or by the words of his mouth. So, the number is really not the 1260 as we think, in the middle (it is just in reverse) from the start of the 70th week, but its a measurement from the start of the Beasts rule over Israel, the Conquering of the Holy Peoples, until the 2nd coming ends his rule over Israel. Now, Daniel had no clue per se about Jesus when he wrote this, he just knew the east would be defeated after a Times, Time and Half [time].

This is why people can not grasp the 1290 and 1335, they fail to understand these are two numbered event that also end with the 2nd coming. Dan. 12:8 is Daniel asking the exact sane question, almost, "When will all THESE THINGS END?" so its all about Jesus 2nd coming ending each numbered event. With the 1260, people eventually figured out that was about the Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8. So, who are the 1290 and 1335? Well, if (and it is) the 1290 is 1290 days away from the 2nd coming and the Beast only starts ruling in Israel 30 days later at the 1260, then he can have no physical part in the 1290 can he? But since he has an Agreement (Covenant)n with Israel staring the 70th week of 7 years, this means the AoD must be put forth by a political faction in Israel, under pressure from this AC/Beast. but its not him standing in the temple, Matt. 24:15 seems to say its a IMAGE that sands where t ought not stand, Rev. 13 seems to say the 2nd Beast (False Prophet) makes an IMAGE with the people and places it in the temple of God. Now, once we get over our bad teachings of this having to be the AC, we can grasp it in full.

A False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus) will do the AC/Beasts bidding from afar, and Dan. 9:27 actually says HE CAUSES these things to happen go read it. Here is the gist of it all, Israel never signs a "Peace Treaty" per se with the AC, people think wrongly here, they simply will join the European Union (that is THE AGREEMENT/Covenant) and so he will be Israel' "President so to speak" and will thus of course have political sway with Israeli leaders and with this Religious High Priest False Prophet who will be orthodox and thus will hate Jesus, especially Jews who repent and come to Christ Jesus, which leads us to who/what the 1335 are/is (later on). Once Israel repent at the 1335, which is 45 days before the 1290 ad 75 days before the 1260, this orthodox Jewish High Priest will be angry that 1/3 of the Jews or 5 Million Jews turned to Jesus AND of course started worshipping Jesus in the temple, and singing to Jesus glorifying his name. So, per an EDICT with the encouragement of the AC/Beast/E.U. President, he will say there is to be NO Jesus Worshipping in the Temple (maybe in all Israel) and that is what is meant by he "TAKES AWAY THE [real] SACRIFICE" its not some profane meat sacrifice, its Jesus Worship that is stopped. And then he of course commits the AoD, he will make an IMAGE of this man, the E.U. President and place it up inside the Holy Temple of God, this defiles the temple, BUT HOW? God rent the temple 2000 years ago, it was unclean, how did this new one get cleansed? 5 Million Jews/Israelis repented and thus God came back into the Temple.

So, who are the 1335? Well, its the 2 Witnesses, they show up BEFORE the DOTL as Malachi 4:5-6 says, and as Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 shows, the 1/3 repent in ch. 13 and then in the very next verse the DOTL arrives in ch. 14. (SMILE, Amen). Elijah and (IMHO) Moses show up and get Israel to repent 1335 days before the 2nd coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS/THINGS. This angers the Jewish High Priest/FP and he thus forbids Jesus Worship and places the AoD, this gives the Jews who repented 30 days to flee Judea !! So, the 2 Wit. show up before the AC becomes the Beast at the 1260, and this means their 1260 days MUST END before the Beasts rule ends at his 1260 days right? Of course, its simple math. The 2 Wit. die at the 2nd Woe, before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial (end of the 3rd Woe)

 

[Douggg]

This is why people can not grasp the 1290 and 1335, they fail to understand these are two numbered event that also end with the 2nd coming

Ronald, the 1290 days and 1335 days both begin when the abomination of desolation is setup.

The 1335 days end the day of Jesus's return. The 1290 days end 45 days before Jesus's return. The 45 days difference is when the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.

 

[Douggg]

The numbers are reversed in how we think of them, each number represents an event. We understand the 1260 is the Little Horn/AC/Beast. However, the 1260 is in the middle of the week, so we all missed it for 2000 years reread Dan. 12:6-7 and in brief, it says this the Angel asks a preincarnate Jesus (Man in Linen) "HOW LONG WILL IT BE UNTIL ALL THESE WONDERS (Dan. 11:36-45 and even Dan. 12:1-2) END?" And what is it that ends the Anti-Christs rule of terror? Jesus' showing up at the 2nd coming who will kill him WITHOUT HANDS or by the words of his mouth. So, the number is really not the 1260 as we think, in the middle (it is just in reverse) from the start of the 70th week, but its a measurement from the start of the Beasts rule over Israel, the Conquering of the Holy Peoples, until the 2nd coming ends his rule over Israel. Now, Daniel had no clue per se about Jesus when he wrote this, he just knew the east would be defeated after a Times, Time and Half [time].

This is why people can not grasp the 1290 and 1335, they fail to understand these are two numbered event that also end with the 2nd coming. Dan. 12:8 is Daniel asking the exact sane question, almost, "When will all THESE THINGS END?" so its all about Jesus 2nd coming ending each numbered event. With the 1260, people eventually figured out that was about the Little Horn of Dan. 7 & 8. So, who are the 1290 and 1335? Well, if (and it is) the 1290 is 1290 days away from the 2nd coming and the Beast only starts ruling in Israel 30 days later at the 1260, then he can have no physical part in the 1290 can he? But since he has an Agreement (Covenant)n with Israel staring the 70th week of 7 years, this means the AoD must be put forth by a political faction in Israel, under pressure from this AC/Beast. but its not him standing in the temple, Matt. 24:15 seems to say its a IMAGE that sands where t ought not stand, Rev. 13 seems to say the 2nd Beast (False Prophet) makes an IMAGE with the people and places it in the temple of God. Now, once we get over our bad teachings of this having to be the AC, we can grasp it in full.

A False Prophet (Jewish High Priest like unto Jason under Antiochus) will do the AC/Beasts bidding from afar, and Dan. 9:27 actually says HE CAUSES these things to happen go read it. Here is the gist of it all, Israel never signs a "Peace Treaty" per se with the AC, people think wrongly here, they simply will join the European Union (that is THE AGREEMENT/Covenant) and so he will be Israel' "President so to speak" and will thus of course have political sway with Israeli leaders and with this Religious High Priest False Prophet who will be orthodox and thus will hate Jesus, especially Jews who repent and come to Christ Jesus, which leads us to who/what the 1335 are/is (later on). Once Israel repent at the 1335, which is 45 days before the 1290 ad 75 days before the 1260, this orthodox Jewish High Priest will be angry that 1/3 of the Jews or 5 Million Jews turned to Jesus AND of course started worshipping Jesus in the temple, and singing to Jesus glorifying his name. So, per an EDICT with the encouragement of the AC/Beast/E.U. President, he will say there is to be NO Jesus Worshipping in the Temple (maybe in all Israel) and that is what is meant by he "TAKES AWAY THE [real] SACRIFICE" its not some profane meat sacrifice, its Jesus Worship that is stopped. And then he of course commits the AoD, he will make an IMAGE of this man, the E.U. President and place it up inside the Holy Temple of God, this defiles the temple, BUT HOW? God rent the temple 2000 years ago, it was unclean, how did this new one get cleansed? 5 Million Jews/Israelis repented and thus God came back into the Temple.

So, who are the 1335? Well, its the 2 Witnesses, they show up BEFORE the DOTL as Malachi 4:5-6 says, and as Zech. 13:8-9 and 14:1 shows, the 1/3 repent in ch. 13 and then in the very next verse the DOTL arrives in ch. 14. (SMILE, Amen). Elijah and (IMHO) Moses show up and get Israel to repent 1335 days before the 2nd coming ENDS ALL THESE WONDERS/THINGS. This angers the Jewish High Priest/FP and he thus forbids Jesus Worship and places the AoD, this gives the Jews who repented 30 days to flee Judea !! So, the 2 Wit. show up before the AC becomes the Beast at the 1260, and this means their 1260 days MUST END before the Beasts rule ends at his 1260 days right? Of course, its simple math. The 2 Wit. die at the 2nd Woe, before the Beast dies at the 7th Vial (end of the 3rd Woe)

Ronald, you did not say in your post what day (of the 2520 day 7 years) the abomination of desolation statue image will be set up.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I agree that there is a possibility that the Trumpets and vials are the same thing at the same time. It's a bit like Pharaohs dream in Genesis. In fact, I held that view for years.

Sorry about being a tad late, been very busy.

Yes, and no, they are the same thing, people just miss that the 7th Trump contains the 7 Vials which emit from the 7th Trump, in other words the 7 Vial in full are the 7th Trump. Same with the 3rd Woe, the 3rd Woe is the 7 Vials, in full. But I understand you understand my point, I'm just cleaning it up a bit so others won't get confused.

Ge 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.(Rev 1?)

Rv 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

I studied Rev. 1:1 because I saw how this lead to a lot of people being preterists, insisting this mean Jesus came back 2000 years ago et al. As I studied the root words I noticed the word shortly is two Greek Words not one and it doesn't mean what we think it means.

1:1 ¶ The Reuelation 602 of Iesus 2424 Christ, 5547 which 3739 God 2316 gaue 1325 z5656 vnto him, 846 to shewe 1166 z5658 vnto his y846 x848 seruants 1401 things which 3739 must 1163 z5748 shortly 1722 5034 come to passe; 1096 z5635 and 2532 he sent 649 z5660 and signified 4591 z5656 [it] by 1223 his y846 x848 Angel 32 vnto his y846 x848 seruant 1401 Iohn, 2491

#1722 ἐν en {en}

a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time
or state)

#5034 τάχος tachos {takh'-os} (Greek word study)

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

Now lets add it all up, especially the SHORTLY SECTION. That KJV word is mixed in with IN HASTE, QUICKLY, and SPEEDILY, so it never meant SHORTLY as we think of it in modern English, it mean in a short time frame, as in when Jesus returns he will return Quickly, in Haste, Speedily or "shortly". So, when we put it together we see the word EN used denoting a fixed position in space TIME or state. So, we are being told by Jesus that at a certain fixed point in time, only the Father knows, I will be sent back and I will come IN HASE........SPEEDILY...........QUICKLY or SHORTLY as in short burst of time, or as Strong's so clearly says in the red above, in a "Brief space" [of time]

Now lets look at the word TACHOS, it is where we get the English word Tachometer from, no kidding, so it really does mean Zoom, zoom, zoom.

I love these supposed contradictions, because I know God never really contradicts Himself. We just misinterpret.

God Bless

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Ronald, the 1290 days and 1335 days both begin when the abomination of desolation is setup.

The 1335 days end the day of Jesus's return. The 1290 days end 45 days before Jesus's return. The 45 days difference is when the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army of heaven.





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I explained it to you brother, I can not make anyone grasp this deep truth. It is what it is. God NEVER CJANGES His symmetry in the middle of a chapter, all three numbers are a specified number of days until ALL THESE WONDERS (v. 6) or THINGS (vs. 8) END.