THE GOSPEL AND HEALING

[Doug]

[Mark 16:14 KJV] "Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."
[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."........What gospel did Jesus command them to preach?

[Matthew 4:23 KJV] "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."........Healing accompanied the gospel of the kingdom. Believing Israel will be priests in the kingdom..........[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."..........Jesus healed along with the gospel because priests could have no physical defect...........[Leviticus 21:21 KJV] "No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

[Matthew 10:1 KJV] "And when he had called unto [him] his twelve disciples, he gave them power [against] unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." ..........The twelve disciples were also given power to heal...........[Luke 9:6 KJV] "And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.".........The gospel they were preaching was also accompanied with healing, which identifies their gospel as being the gospel of the kingdom............[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........The only gospel Jesus and his disciples were preaching was the gospel of the kingdom. Jesus was preaching the earthly kingdom, in which the believing remnant of Israel would reign with him was at hand and would be preached in the tribulation as well.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Mark 16:14 KJV] "Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."
[Mark 16:15 KJV] "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."........What gospel did Jesus command them to preach?

[Matthew 4:23 KJV] "And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."........Healing accompanied the gospel of the kingdom. Believing Israel will be priests in the kingdom..........[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."..........Jesus healed along with the gospel because priests could have no physical defect...........[Leviticus 21:21 KJV] "No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God."

[Matthew 10:1 KJV] "And when he had called unto [him] his twelve disciples, he gave them power [against] unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease." ..........The twelve disciples were also given power to heal...........[Luke 9:6 KJV] "And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.".........The gospel they were preaching was also accompanied with healing, which identifies their gospel as being the gospel of the kingdom............[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........The only gospel Jesus and his disciples were preaching was the gospel of the kingdom. Jesus was preaching the earthly kingdom, in which the believing remnant of Israel would reign with him was at hand and would be preached in the tribulation as well.

The Apostles did ot preach the gospel of the kingdom. that kingdom was revoked to that generation in Matthew 12.

The Apostles are the foundation of the church (Jew and Gentile) and they went to many lands and preached to bothe Jew and gentile and made them one body in Christ through the preaching of the death and resurresction of jesus for sin.

 

[Doug]

The Apostles did ot preach the gospel of the kingdom. that kingdom was revoked to that generation in Matthew 12.

[Acts 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
They were still looking for the kingdom

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Acts 1:6 KJV] "When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?"
They were still looking for the kingdom

Of course! The Apostles were kind of dense. Jesus told them many times He would be crucified and rise and they still didn't get that either.

But look at Jesus' answer to the Apostles question:

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And they started fulfilling that uttermost parts.

Map Showing Where The 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ Went After The Last Super - Brilliant Maps

The map above shows where Jesus's various apostles went after the last super here is a brief summary:

brilliantmaps.com

 

[Doug]

Of course! The Apostles were kind of dense.

Jesus didnt correct them by saying the kingdom is within you and not literal

 

[Doug]

Jesus told them many times He would be crucified and rise and they still didn't get that either.

Yes but it was HID from them............
[Luke 9:44 KJV] "Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men."
[Luke 9:45 KJV] "But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying."

 

[Doug]

And they started fulfilling that uttermost parts.

I am not going there. There is a lot of scholarly debate about this and church traditions. I just stick to the Biblical accounts

 

[Stumpmaster]

What gospel did Jesus command them to preach?

His Gospel -

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus didnt correct them by saying the kingdom is within you and not literal

Yes and He said when th ekingdom would come was in the Fathers hands. so until then they had to go to the world and preach the gospel!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I am not going there. There is a lot of scholarly debate about this and church traditions. I just stick to the Biblical accounts

Then you ignore the context and setting of all the work done. History is history. Take off those Grace ambassador blinders.

If you do that then you have to assume that the apostles took off the many parts of the world. Either that or they were very disobedient to the last commands of Jesus.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jesus said they shall be witnesses to the world. They either were or not! Jesus said they shall , not might.

 

[Doug]

Then you ignore the context and setting of all the work done. History is history. Take off those Grace ambassador blinders.

If you do that then you have to assume that the apostles took off the many parts of the world. Either Tthat or they were very disobedient to the last commands of Jesus.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Jesus said they shall be witnesses to the world. They either were or not! Jesus said they shall , not might.

The twelve disciples decided to not go to the heathen Gentile world as they were commanded,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."...............They did not go to the Gentile world, but I think they will be resurrected to do so in the tribulation as part of the 144000

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The twelve disciples decided to not go to the heathen Gentile world as they were commanded,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,[Galatians 2:9 KJV] "And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision."...............They did not go to the Gentile world, but I think they will be resurrected to do so in the tribulation as part of the 144000

Depends which James you are referring to.

But Paul in every town went to the synagogues so he preached to teh Jews. and to say John and Peter and one james never preached to gentiles is foolish!

They will not be part of the 144,000. those are living Jews in the tribulation. Peter was married so Hewas and is not a virgin.

But this is historic fact:

The apostles traveled extensively to spread the teachings of Jesus, preaching in various regions including Asia Minor, Europe, and parts of the Middle East.

. https://brilliantmaps.com/apostles-of-jesus-christ/

This is historic fact- and you nor any "pretend scholar" can deny this.

Peter preached to Gentiles as did John and James the Greater.

Paul preached to jews in all towns he went that had synagogues.​

 

[Doug]

They will not be part of the 144,000. those are living Jews in the tribulation. Peter was married so Hewas and is not a virgin.

Good point
I cant at this time resolve this

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Good point
I cant at this time resolve this

The resolution is simple. Peter is not to be resurrected during the trib period. His body will be raptured along with the rest of the body of Christ. The bible makes it clear those 144,000 are living jewish male virgins who are called from the 12 tribes.

 

[Doug]

The resolution is simple. Peter is not to be resurrected during the trib period. His body will be raptured along with the rest of the body of Christ. The bible makes it clear those 144,000 are living jewish male virgins who are called from the 12 tribes.

I took another look at the Revelation 14:5 here is the passage with my comments

[Revelation 14:1 KJV] "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."..................The 144k are on the mount. Their location is significant. They are on the earth
[Revelation 14:2 KJV] "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"...................The voice of harpers could be heard. Their location is significant as well. The harpers are in heaven.
[Revelation 14:3 KJV] "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.".....................The harpers sang a new song. Only the 144k could learn this song.
[Revelation 14:4 KJV] "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."..................They which were virgins are THE HARPERS. They are the ones who sang a new song in HEAVEN (not on the earth where the 144k are)
[Revelation 14:5 KJV] "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."................The harpers had no guile found in their mouths.

You can make of this what you will. I am not dogmatic about the 144k being resurrected believing Israel which includes the twelve, but I am more inclined to think so. That was a good point it's just that with scripture you have to see things kinda out of the box if you will. I have found that scripture's meaning is not apparent at our initial reading. The 144k may be raised like Lazarus and those that came out of their graves. They may still be resurrected in the first resurrection. Thanks for the topic!

By the way, Peter would not be in the rapture if I am wrong . He isnt in the body of Christ. He is in the little flock, believing remnant of Israel

 

[Doug]

The apostles traveled extensively to spread the teachings of Jesus, preaching in various regions including Asia Minor, Europe, and parts of the Middle East.

Here is what your site said.............After the Last Supper and Jesus’ crucifixion, the apostles dispersed to spread his teachings. Their subsequent lives, travels, and deaths are chronicled through a mix of biblical accounts and early Christian traditions. Here’s a summary of each apostle’s journey:...............Church traditions arent historical fact. I didnt see any evidence presented to support their claims

 

[Doug]

The resolution is simple. Peter is not to be resurrected during the trib period. His body will be raptured along with the rest of the body of Christ. The bible makes it clear those 144,000 are living jewish male virgins who are called from the 12 tribes.

Did you miss this?
I was hoping for a comment

I took another look at the Revelation 14:5 here is the passage with my comments

[Revelation 14:1 KJV] "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."..................The 144k are on the mount. Their location is significant. They are on the earth
[Revelation 14:2 KJV] "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"...................The voice of harpers could be heard. Their location is significant as well. The harpers are in heaven.
[Revelation 14:3 KJV] "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.".....................The harpers sang a new song. Only the 144k could learn this song.
[Revelation 14:4 KJV] "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."..................They which were virgins are THE HARPERS. They are the ones who sang a new song in HEAVEN (not on the earth where the 144k are)
[Revelation 14:5 KJV] "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."................The harpers had no guile found in their mouths.

You can make of this what you will. I am not dogmatic about the 144k being resurrected believing Israel which includes the twelve, but I am more inclined to think so. That was a good point it's just that with scripture you have to see things kinda out of the box if you will. I have found that scripture's meaning is not apparent at our initial reading. The 144k may be raised like Lazarus and those that came out of their graves. They may still be resurrected in the first resurrection. Thanks for the topic!

By the way, Peter would not be in the rapture if I am wrong . He isnt in the body of Christ. He is in the little flock, believing remnant of Israel

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here is what your site said.............After the Last Supper and Jesus’ crucifixion, the apostles dispersed to spread his teachings. Their subsequent lives, travels, and deaths are chronicled through a mix of biblical accounts and early Christian traditions. Here’s a summary of each apostle’s journey:...............Church traditions arent historical fact. I didnt see any evidence presented to support their claims

And yet there is no evidence to deny them. You must decide if the early church was lying or not. that is your only choice. eeither these reports by the 1st and 2nd century are true or they are not!

Even Paul in rebuking the Corinthians intimated that the Apostles went to Gentile lands.

You need to provide evidence these claims are false.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did you miss this?
I was hoping for a comment

I took another look at the Revelation 14:5 here is the passage with my comments

[Revelation 14:1 KJV] "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads."..................The 144k are on the mount. Their location is significant. They are on the earth
[Revelation 14:2 KJV] "And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:"...................The voice of harpers could be heard. Their location is significant as well. The harpers are in heaven.
[Revelation 14:3 KJV] "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.".....................The harpers sang a new song. Only the 144k could learn this song.
[Revelation 14:4 KJV] "These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb."..................They which were virgins are THE HARPERS. They are the ones who sang a new song in HEAVEN (not on the earth where the 144k are)
[Revelation 14:5 KJV] "And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."................The harpers had no guile found in their mouths.

You can make of this what you will. I am not dogmatic about the 144k being resurrected believing Israel which includes the twelve, but I am more inclined to think so. That was a good point it's just that with scripture you have to see things kinda out of the box if you will. I have found that scripture's meaning is not apparent at our initial reading. The 144k may be raised like Lazarus and those that came out of their graves. They may still be resurrected in the first resurrection. Thanks for the topic!

By the way, Peter would not be in the rapture if I am wrong . He isnt in the body of Christ. He is in the little flock, believing remnant of Israel

You are so wrong about Peter. He received the Holy Spirit indwelling him, which makes him part of the church! so you are saying that believing Jews now aren't part of the church but some separate group.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You are so wrong about Peter. He received the Holy Spirit indwelling him, which makes him part of the church! so you are saying that believing Jews now aren't part of the church but some separate group.

Im sure Paul agreed with you:
All things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or CEPHAS 1Cor3:21

Why would Paul say that about Peter, if he did not consider him part of the church he and the Corinthians were part of?