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See... even in your above statement, you CANNOT bring yourself to ADMIT that The Father calls The Son, "O God"!

Heb 1:8
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But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV
It is always the same with you people, you cannot address what is placed before you. Because, you have no answer for it
 

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Nah... it's always the same with YOU people, who come to Christian forms with your false Jewish traditions trying to push your false beliefs on unsuspecting Christians.
You remember what iwarned about earlier . about this inclusive merger of ecumenical intefaith .
THAT IS WHY they had to do a break down and removal OF THE DEITY OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
cause in order to merge all religoins , JESUS simply had to be made as but another prophet .
OH YEAH this inclusive law will soon become law all right . AS you arleady know that my friend .
The religoin of what it calleth love and cliams to be GOD
is but a sham to merge all the religoins to beleive they do serve the one same GOD
and to come together for world peace n safety . only it be of anti christ . ITs a cleverly spun
wordly love to recreate a god that all tribes would see as GOD and HIS LOVE .
only , IT THE DEVIL and his harlot and of anti christ . this agenda was pumped by satan
into greedy power hungry men
and convinced them all to build a religoin that would serve a one world govt of which they all would sit over as kings .
THEY didnt realize satan was using their lust for power to BUILD THE BEAST KINGDOM .
THE VERY KINGDOM which satan himself SURE HAS t ried to build before . oh yeah .
A nimrod we are one peoples , we are one world kingdom . What is has been before .
ONLY NOW it cometh at the last for a powerful last hour event w hich will END THIS ENTIRE WE ARE ONE WORLD
on the DAY OF THE LORD . but first it will come against the saints . A massive
fiery trial is coming . Be faithful unto death .
 

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It is always the same with you people, you cannot address what is placed before you. Because, you have no answer for it
What i say to one i say to all . IF you are connected too , in any way , shape , or form TO anything ecumenical
GET OUT NOW . And take everyone you can with you .
THEY WILL LEAD this world as one RIGHT TO THE DAY OF ITS UPMOST SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY THE VERY GOD AND HIS CHRIST THEY DENIED .
 
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What i say to one i say to all . IF you are connected too , in any way , shape , or form TO anything ecumenical
GET OUT NOW . And take everyone you can with you .
THEY WILL LEAD this world as one RIGHT TO THE DAY OF ITS UPMOST SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY THE VERY GOD AND HIS CHRIST THEY DENIED .
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You remember what iwarned about earlier . about this inclusive merger of ecumenical intefaith .
THAT IS WHY they had to do a break down and removal OF THE DEITY OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
cause in order to merge all religoins , JESUS simply had to be made as but another prophet .
OH YEAH this inclusive law will soon become law all right . AS you arleady know that my friend .
The religoin of what it calleth love and cliams to be GOD
is but a sham to merge all the religoins to beleive they do serve the one same GOD
and to come together for world peace n safety . only it be of anti christ . ITs a cleverly spun
wordly love to recreate a god that all tribes would see as GOD and HIS LOVE .
only , IT THE DEVIL and his harlot and of anti christ . this agenda was pumped by satan
into greedy power hungry men
and convinced them all to build a religoin that would serve a one world govt of which they all would sit over as kings .
THEY didnt realize satan was using their lust for power to BUILD THE BEAST KINGDOM .
THE VERY KINGDOM which satan himself SURE HAS t ried to build before . oh yeah .
A nimrod we are one peoples , we are one world kingdom . What is has been before .
ONLY NOW it cometh at the last for a powerful last hour event w hich will END THIS ENTIRE WE ARE ONE WORLD
on the DAY OF THE LORD . but first it will come against the saints . A massive
fiery trial is coming . Be faithful unto death .
@amigo de christo
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Thank goodness you dont get this in the trinitarian churches. In over 40 years of going to various denominational trinitarian churches I only heard it once stated from the pulpit Christ was God Himself and everyone should believe it. That was from a young assistant pastor fresh out of bible college!
saved....
It is NOT NECESSARY to hear from the pulpit that Jesus is God.

All Christians KNOW that Jesus is God.
It is PRESUPPOSED.

WE do NOT need to hear it every time a preacher/teacher opens their mouth.

WE only speak about this because it is brought up by those such as yourself that insist on being labeled CHRISTIAN
but are NOT Christian.
 

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Brethren in Christ Jesus:

By the debates here, you should... be able to grasp how the so-called "Oneness" doctrine that has crept into some Christian Churches is actually from Jewish converts attempting to apply the Jew's religion to Christian Doctrine.

The unbelieving Jews have difficulty understanding any concept that exists outside flesh existence. So when they see Lord Jesus as having been born through flesh woman, they cannot but think of Jesus of Nazareth as just another flesh human like ourselves. It is because in their minds, they have difficulty understanding about the things of the heavenly. Their main thinking is on this flesh world.

This is why in John 3, when Nicodemus could not understand about one's spirit being "born again", which actually means per the Greek, 'born from above', Jesus said to him how was it that Nicodemus was a master of Israel, yet didn't know these things, and that if Jesus told him earthly things and Nicodemus didn't believe, how would he understand if He told Nicodemus of heavenly things?

This is why the deceived Jews have problems understanding about Jesus' PRIOR existence in the beginning with The Father, and all things having been created through Jesus in the beginning. They only want to see Jesus as a flesh born human, and not as part of The Godhead. That's why they also struggle with understanding who the Melchizedek of The Old Testament was that met Abraham, and offered Abraham "bread and wine". Hebrews 7 reveals Melchezedek was without father or mother, had no beginning nor end, and eventually reveals it is about Jesus Christ. The Jews instead think Melchezedek was just some flesh king of history, and nothing more.

Even in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Apostle Paul says the Israelites that wandered in the wilderness were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat of spiritual meat; and they drank of that "spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." Per Deuteronomy 32:31, GOD... is our Rock. So right there, Apostle Paul even is calling Jesus Christ as GOD The ROCK.
 
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And He who once doubted the ressurection of JESUS
till he SEEN him alive
had this to say as he fell flat on his face before JESUS
MY LORD and MY GOD .
Now notice JESUS had s ternly rebuked thomas for h is lack of faith
in beleiving those who had told him they had SEEM him alive .
AND THEN NOTICE JESUS did not do as the angel did , when john bowed before the angel in heaven .
THE angel told john , GET UP , WORSHIP GOD
JESUS DIDNT TELL THOMAS GET UP , i am but your fellow servant , worship GOD .
NOW DID HE .
This people wants to beleive what their sold out men who twist things tell them .
BUT as for me , ME IS GONNA BELEIVE WHAT IS WRITTEN . AS A SIMPLE CHILD .
ALL their scholars and greek wise men cannot save them .
This wee tiny lad gonna beleive JESUS and not men who twist his words .
TO include these words HE TOLD JOHN from heaven .
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST . this people love a lie and sheep dont heed a word one outta they lips either .
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Its always the same with you people, deflect. Many, many people did not believe Jesus should be termed the one true God before Nicea. They thought they were believers, but according to your views, they couldn't be! So, who was responsible for them ending up in hell? The church because they did not make official doctrine you must believe Jesus is God himself until Nicea?
Who is YOU PEOPLE??

Oh.

You mean we Christians.

Yes sir.
We Christians do believe Jesus is God.
 

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Brethren in Christ Jesus:

By the debates here, you should... be able to grasp how the so-called "Oneness" doctrine that has crept into some Christian Churches is actually from Jewish converts attempting to apply the Jew's religion to Christian Doctrine.

The unbelieving Jews have difficulty understanding any concept that exists outside flesh existence. So when they see Lord Jesus as having been born through flesh woman, they cannot but think of Jesus of Nazareth as just another flesh human like ourselves. It is because in their minds, they have difficulty understanding about the things of the heavenly. Their main thinking is on this flesh world.

This is why in John 3, when Nicodemus could not understand about one's spirit being "born again", which actually means per the Greek, 'born from above', Jesus said to him how was it that Nicodemus was a master of Israel, yet didn't know these things, and that if Jesus told him earthly things and Nicodemus didn't believe, how would he understand if He told Nicodemus of heavenly things?

This is why the deceived Jews have problems understanding about Jesus' PRIOR existence in the beginning with The Father, and all things having been created through Jesus in the beginning. They only want to see Jesus as a flesh born human, and not as part of The Godhead. That's why they also struggle with understanding who the Melchizedek of The Old Testament was that met Abraham, and offered Abraham "bread and wine". Hebrews 7 reveals Melchezedek was without father or mother, had no beginning nor end, and eventually reveals it is about Jesus Christ. The Jews instead think Melchezedek was just some flesh king of history, and nothing more.

Even in 1 Corinthians 10:4, Apostle Paul says the Israelites that wandered in the wilderness were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat of spiritual meat; and they drank of that "spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." Per Deuteronomy 32:31, GOD... is our Rock. So right there, Apostle Paul even is calling Jesus Christ as GOD The ROCK.
It can be shown that in the OT God was written about in the plural ... and I don't mean only Genesis 1.
I had started a small study on this. You seem to have a lot of energy and should pursue this idea.
Will look for my notes and advise.
 

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What i say to one i say to all . IF you are connected too , in any way , shape , or form TO anything ecumenical
GET OUT NOW . And take everyone you can with you .
THEY WILL LEAD this world as one RIGHT TO THE DAY OF ITS UPMOST SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY THE VERY GOD AND HIS CHRIST THEY DENIED .
well the difference of opinion here is not in the essence of Christ but his title. And I am extremely confident, that in such circumstances, no one will be condemned for standing on the plain words of Christ. People who believe they will do Christ and His Father an immense disservice
 
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saved....
It is NOT NECESSARY to hear from the pulpit that Jesus is God.

All Christians KNOW that Jesus is God.
It is PRESUPPOSED.

WE do NOT need to hear it every time a preacher/teacher opens their mouth.

WE only speak about this because it is brought up by those such as yourself that insist on being labeled CHRISTIAN
but are NOT Christian.
Well thank for judging me as a non christian for believing the words of Christ when he walked this earth. You know, when I tell people outside of the internet the comments I read from people like you on this subject they shake their heads and laugh, and that includes two ministers
 

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Who is YOU PEOPLE??

Oh.

You mean we Christians.

Yes sir.
We Christians do believe Jesus is God.
Who is YOU PEOPLE??

Oh.

You mean we Christians.

Yes sir.
We Christians do believe Jesus is God.
I see you couldn't answer the question you were asked either.

Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him(Christ), it is clear THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF who put everything under Christ. 1Cor15:27

I suppose you don't believe Paul was a christian either!
 
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See... even in your above statement, you CANNOT bring yourself to ADMIT that The Father calls The Son, "O God"!

Heb 1:8
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But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV
I know you have to deflect from answering my question concerning this anyway you can, but even so, you don't have to bear false witness do you? In a previous post I said God referred to Christ with the title God in that verse. I will repeat it. In Heb 1:8 God refers to Christ with the title God. In the next verse God states he is Christ's God. So, if Christ is titled the one true God, who is the God of the one true omnipotent God? Will you answer? I very much doubt it
 
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See... even in your above statement, you CANNOT bring yourself to ADMIT that The Father calls The Son, "O God"!

Heb 1:8
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But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom.
KJV
Read post 237, it's dishonest to say I will not admit God refers to Christ with the title God in Heb1:8, when I have previously stated that in a post to you. If you would like to apologise I will accept your apology
 

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I see you couldn't answer the question you were asked either.

Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him(Christ), it is clear THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF who put everything under Christ. 1Cor15:27

I suppose you don't believe Paul was a christian either!
Come back when you're ready for a serious discussion.

And stop calling yourself a Christian.
It's embarrassing for we Christians.
 

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Come back when you're ready for a serious discussion.

And stop calling yourself a Christian.
It's embarrassing for we Christians.
As you cannot address anything placed before you, the discussion is already over. Its always the same with you people I'm afraid. Your immature comment doesn't surprise me at all.