Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Hiddenthings]

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"laid hold on", G2902, "ἐκράτησεν", "ekratesen" (V-AAI-3S), to "sieze by force of might", "using one's strength", "retain", "to hold in place", "lay hands on", &c.

As the devil, through various humans, had previously "laid hold on" Jesus, arresting Him in miraculous ministry (Mat. 26:57; Jhn. 9:4; Act. 2:22-23 KJB) and even those who followed Him (Mat. 14:3; Mar. 14:15; Act. 4:3, 6:8-12 KJB), so too now at the timing of this verse the judgment is reversed / overturned of God in righteousness, and the devil (and his followers) is to be "laid hold on", and his work of sin arrested, and taken to true judgment. The night is come upon the devil (Isa. 21:11-12 KJB) a

"the dragon", G3588, G1404, "τον δρακοντα", "ton drakonta" (T-ASM, N-ASM), a symbolic description / name given to the fallen angel, Lucifer / Heylel (Isa. 14:12-15), the devil (Rev. 12:7,9, 20:2 KJB), as a like a creature of imposing fierceness, and that which dwells in the darkness of ruins (Isa. 34:13, 35:7, 43:20; Jer. 9:11, 10:22, 49:33, 51:37; Mal. 1:3 KJB) and pit, and depths of the abyss (Psa. 74:13, 148:7; Neh. 2:13; Isa. 27:1 KJB) that comes up to swallow whole prey (Jer. 51:34 KJB), having venomous poison (Deu. 32:33 KJB). See also Job 41 and "Leviathan" and its description. This description is used throughout the Bible - Kata Biblon Wiki Lexicon - δράκων - dragon/serpent (n.)

What a mess Advent!

Unlocking Isaiah 14

@Wick Stick — I thought we might as well take a closer look at Isaiah 14, since this is yet another heavily misused passage by those who believe in a literal fallen angel (devil). The careless and spiritually negligent way these chapters are often handled will not go without accountability...

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You appeal to Isaiah 14, yet that passage provides no contextual support for a fallen-angel theology, and then you go on to cite Genesis 3:1. The audacity to force your false teachings on a verse which you know clearly states that God made the serpent craftier (cunning) than all the beasts of the field and you make up some ventriloquist doctrine to then twist the context of Rev 20:2.

It's really ugly exegesis and there is no coming back now for you in this study.
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"that old serpent", G3588, G3789, G3588, G744, "τον οφιν τον αρχαιον", "ton ophin ton archaion" (T-ASM, N-ASM, T-ASM, A-ASM), a reference that goes all the way back to Gen. 3:1-14, where that fallen angel, Lucifer / Heylel (Isa. 14:12; Eze. 28:12-19; 2 Pet. 2:4; Jud. 1:6; Rev. 12:9), by the means of the medium of the beautiful winged serpent (Isa. 14:29, 30:6), deceived Eve by poisonous words (Psa. 58:4, 140:3; Pro. 23:32 KJB) of that unclean intelligence / spirit (Mat. 7:10-11; Luk. 11:11,13):

If you cannot discern the symbol correctly do not make up false interpretations - cease from these fruitless activities and learn what these symbols truly mean.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?​

Why did God make an animal crafty and with voice?

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Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.​

Cain was the murderer from the begining (Gen 4:8,9)

In fact, this was well known and documented for you if you were paying attention to the Biblical narrative and not mythological faniciful notions.

Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.

1 John 3:12 We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one (serpent, sin personified) and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother's righteous.

Jude 11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam's error and perished in Korah's rebellion.

You have much to learn about the symbology of devil, satan, dragon etc.

A lot to learn!

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Act_26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.​

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2Co_11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent (animal!) beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.​

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2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.​

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Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.​

Wow - you run 4 verses together in daisy chain fashion and infer you can identity a fallen evil angel. You even quoted Paul as referring to the animal in 2 Cor 11:3 and totally missed his point!

What is the Power of the Adversary in Acts 26:18? Do you even know what OT text is being quoted?

And who was pretending to be an angel of light in Paul's ministry?

Your darkness Advent is as dark as the Egyptian night - it can be felt.

This post is by far the worst I've seen yet.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Armageddon - Final Events (2025) video, may be useful to some - Armageddon - Final Events of Bible Prophecy (2025) - Amazing Facts

Surely you do not believe this battle happens at the end of the thousand years.

 

[Hiddenthings]

And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, Rev 20:2.

Let us examine this subject through the lens of Scripture rather than through the lens of mythological narratives.

In the Apocalypse, the term “dragon” is consistently used as a symbol of sin manifested in political power (Revelation 12:3; 17:9–10). To “lay hold” of the dragon implies the application of force. Accordingly, Christ and the Redeemed will employ decisive authority to restrain all political opposition to his rule throughout the Millennium.

At the close of that period, however, Christ will ease these restraints, allowing humanity to demonstrate loyalty by free choice. Some will exploit this freedom and rebel, causing the “dragon”, that is, organized political opposition to Christ to re-emerge. Thus, a post-millennial Gog and Magog will arise, repeating the same political folly displayed by the pre-millennial Gog described in Ezekiel 38.

How do we know for certain there is a pre-millennial Gog (Armageddon)

Upon Christ's return not only will he save Judah first, he will use Judah as a Weapon of War!

In Zechariah 9:12–17, verse 12 says, "Turn you to the stronghold," calling Israel to turn to Yahweh, the ultimate refuge, as also seen in Nahum 1:7 and Proverbs 18:10. The Hebrew word can also be rendered "high fortress." The phrase "ye prisoners of hope" literally means "ye prisoners of the hope" and is connected to the Hebrew word tiqvah, which with the definite article becomes hatikva, the name of Israel’s national anthem, linking scattered Israel to this prophecy. "I will render double unto thee" indicates that Israel will have restored the blessings of the firstborn, previously forfeited through faithlessness, once they become the head of the nations, though first they must be purged and humbled.


Verse 13 states, "When I have bent Judah for me."



Christ will first save the tents of Judah, and Judah in the land will fight at Jerusalem against the power of the north. This remnant will provide the strength and motivation for Israel’s return to the Land and act as Yahweh’s arrow against the nations. Refined Judah is described as Yahweh’s "goodly horse" in battle, overcoming the peoples surrounding Israel. The phrase "filled the bow with Ephraim" refers to Ephraim as a representation of scattered Israel, who will serve as Yahweh’s striking force against the nations. "Against thy sons, O Greece" refers initially to the Maccabean wars against the Grecian king of the north, but in the latter days the king of the north represents a renewed manifestation of the Grecian Empire.

Verse 14 says, "Yahweh shall be seen over them." The glorified saints will carry the name of Yahweh and will overshadow and guide Israel in their conquest over the Gentiles. "Shall go with whirlwinds of the south" refers to Christ and the saints, as Yahweh Sabaoth, coming from the south, from Teman. The Hebrew word for "whirlwinds," cearah, signifies a hurricane and comes from the root ca’ar, meaning "to rush upon." The work of the saints in shepherding Israel back to the Land will leave the nations sorely judged, fulfilling Jeremiah’s prophecy in Jeremiah 25:32–33.

These events happen at the beginning of Christ's return (2nd Advent!) and not at the end of the thousand years as we shall see!

Basically everything @Adventageous teaches from here on is destroys the meaning of the text and misleads everyone into error.

 

[Hiddenthings]

How is the Old Serpent used as a Symbol in the Apocalypse?

That old serpent” refers to the one who, from the beginning, stirred rebellion against the explicit commands of God. The same spirit has been evident in human nature and its institutions ever since.

The serpent in the beginning expressed the mindset of the flesh, while the dragon represents the political manifestation of the same principle. The word dragon comes from a root meaning “to see,” linking it to the lust of the eyes (1 John 2:16). It is now associated with the serpent, who, in the beginning, reasoned according to fleshly observation and led Eve astray. Political expediency has always been the driving force of the dragon. In the Septuagint, the serpent into which Moses’ rod was transformed is called a dragon (Exodus 7:9). The term is also rendered leviathan (Isaiah 27:1; Ezekiel 29:3; Jeremiah 51:34; Job 41:1) and is used to represent the flesh expressed through political power.

@Adventageous’ admission at the start of this study shows he does not grasp the political and ecclesiastical powers at work in Revelation. As a result, he is unable to discern the true context of Revelation 20. While his attention is fixed on fictitious creatures imagined by pagan believers, the real substance of the revelation escapes him.

So sad to watch someone put so much effort into a study only to find its basis is false.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Since the 1000 years are the "day of the LORD",

Stop right there. Where are you getting the idea from that the day of the Lord is the thousand years? Show that with scripture.

it has a beginning, and an ending, an 'evening' (earth in darkness) followed by 'morning' (saints in heaven, where all is light and no darkness at all), followed by 'evening' (back to earth in darkness to close out the 'day').

Where is this coming from? Don't share your theories with me if you don't have scripture to back them up. I'm not interested in that.

When Jesus returns in the second advent, the beginning of the "day of the LORD", all of the living human wicked / lost are destroyed (put to death) "with the brightness of his coming" (2 Thes. 2:8).

Yes, and then the judgment occurs. Where does the text indicate there's a long period of time in between? Nowhere.

The already dead wicked (like Cain, et al.; except for some in the special resurrection already mentioned previously),

Special resurrection? Where do you come up with this stuff? Do you not compare what is written in Revelation 20 with the rest of scripture? Your interpretation is causing you to contradict other scriptures.

remain dead until the 1000 years are finished at the 3rd advent: "

3rd advent? Where is that taught in scripture? I don't know how much more of this I can stand to read. You're making things up.

... the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished ..." (Rev. 20:5), and (vs 7) "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (vs 8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. (vs 9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

The lost dead, who had remained dead at the second advent (like Cain), and those lost who were alive and killed at the 2nd advent of Jesus, shall all lie together in death for 1000 years, and be raised together at the ending of the 1000 years to face executive punishment, annihilation.

Jesus taught that all of the dead, saved and lost, will be resurrected at the same hour. At generally the same time. One event. You are contradicting what He taught.

John 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Jesus did not put a long period of time, such as the thousand years, in between the resurrection of the saved and the lost like you are doing. If your interpretation of Revelation 20 is causing you to contradict Jesus, as it does, you need to try again so that you stop contradicting what Jesus taught. Daniel 12:2 also has the saved and lost being resurrected at the same time, not 1,000 years apart.

Since scripure says, "the dead know not any thing", this means they have no knowledge of the passage of time in death.

That is not what that means. You are butchering scripture left and right here. You have been led astray by false SDA doctrine. Let's look at that verse (Ecclesiastes 9:5) in context objectively so we can see what that scripture really means.

Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun: that one thing happens to all. Truly the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead. 4 But for him who is joined to all the living there is hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion. 5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share
In anything done under the sun.

The context here is that those who are dead no longer experience anything on the earth "under the sun" as they did when they were alive. As it says, they have no more reward and "their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished" and "nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun". So, when it comes to living on earth "under the sun" the dead no longer know anything about that experience since, obviously, they are no longer living on the earth "under the sun". But, that does not mean they no longer have any consciousness. That is not what it says. Their bodies are dead, but not their souls and spirits. In verse 6 when it says "their love, their hatred, and their envy have no perished; Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun", that is only talking about the fact that their lives on earth "under the sun" are over and says NOTHING about what happens to them after they physically die. Other scripture portrays physically dead people as being conscious, such as Luke 16:19-31 and Revelation 6:9-11 and the parallel passages in the gospel that record Jesus's transfiguration when He talked to Moses and Elijah who are both physically dead. You can't just ignore those passages in favor of your interpretation of Ecclesiastes 9:5. You need to be able to reconcile all those passages together so that they don't contradict each other. You are not doing that.

It comes as "sudden destruction" and as a "thief" to them. For the lost since the time of Cain the 3rd Advent of Jesus will be as the very next moment to them, and for those living lost that are slain at Jesus' 2nd advent, the 1000 years will not be remembered by them, and so when Jesus returns at the 3rd advent, it is still as the 2nd advent to them.

Nonsense! It will literally be sudden destruction. You are twisting the scriptures so badly that it's making me nauseous. Stop doing that! Look at the scriptures objectively for yourself instead of continuing to allow yourself to be brainwashed by SDA teachings.

Only to the living saints that lived through all of it, will it be recognizable as the 3rd advent, when all of the lost are consumed together.

Please re-read the texts I provided in their context, and see the multiphase events. Thank you.

That's what you need to do. I disagree with everything you said in your post. Unlike you, I read the scriptures for myself objectively, but you clearly go by what you've been taught in the SDA church. Think for yourself and ask God for wisdom as you study the scriptures (James 1:5-7).

 

[Hiddenthings]

Stop right there. Where are you getting the idea from that the day of the Lord is the thousand years? Show that with scripture.

Hi Spiritual

He is getting this from here:

2 Peter 3:8 “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”

Psalm 90:4 is often cited in relation to 2 Peter 3:8: “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”

Peter was not claiming that one day literally equals a thousand years. The point is not that time has no meaning for God, but that God’s use of time cannot be confined to human schedules. His use of time is extensive, allowing Him to accomplish in a thousand years what we might expect in a day, and intensive, accomplishing in a day what we might expect to take a thousand years.

There is nothing in this phrase that provides the precision required to support the “seven-day/seven-thousand-year” theory. The passage is plainly figurative throughout. Moreover, if the first part of the verse were taken to prove that one literal day equals a thousand years, then the second part of the verse “and as a watch in the night” would just as easily “prove” that either:

(a) a day plus a watch (28 hours) = 1,000 years, or (b) a watch alone (4 hours) = 1,000 years. Using the first interpretation, one day (24 hours) would equal 857.143 years; using the second, one day would equal 6,000 years.

As for whether the “thousand years” in Revelation should be understood as a precise literal measurement or a figurative, round number

As I have stated in this study, I am not dogmatic about the literal thousand years. I am content to acknowledge that Christ will reign on Earth for a period of time known to God and His Son.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hi Spiritual

He is getting this from here:

2 Peter 3:8 “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”

Psalm 90:4 is often cited in relation to 2 Peter 3:8: “With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.”

Then he is taking those verses completely out of context. The context of 2 Peter 3:8 is in relation to how long it is taking Jesus to return, not in relation to the duration of the day of the Lord.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Since the Lord created time and exists outside of time, one day and a thousand years make no difference to Him. He is not affected by time at all. Not only is one day as a thousand years to Him, but one day is as a million years to Him. No amount of time makes any difference to Him from His eternal perspective, so no one can say that the Lord is being slack/slow to return.

Peter was not claiming that one day literally equals a thousand years.

Of course he wasn't. It says with the Lord one day is AS a thousand years. It doesn't say with the Lord one day IS a thousand years.

The point is not that time has no meaning for God, but that God’s use of time cannot be confined to human schedules. His use of time is extensive, allowing Him to accomplish in a thousand years what we might expect in a day, and intensive, accomplishing in a day what we might expect to take a thousand years.

I agree that time has no meaning for God because He exists outside of time.

There is nothing in this phrase that provides the precision required to support the “seven-day/seven-thousand-year” theory. The passage is plainly figurative throughout. Moreover, if the first part of the verse were taken to prove that one literal day equals a thousand years, then the second part of the verse “and as a watch in the night” would just as easily “prove” that either:

(a) a day plus a watch (28 hours) = 1,000 years, or (b) a watch alone (4 hours) = 1,000 years. Using the first interpretation, one day (24 hours) would equal 857.143 years; using the second, one day would equal 6,000 years.

Yep.

As for whether the “thousand years” in Revelation should be understood as a precise literal measurement or a figurative, round number

As I have stated in this study, I am not dogmatic about the literal thousand years. I am content to acknowledge that Christ will reign on Earth for a period of time known to God and His Son.

No, He will not reign on the earth for any period of time. Scripture teaches that He reigns now (Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6, Col 1:12-13, etc.) and that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes at the end of the age (1 Corinthians 15:22-24, Matthew 13:40-43).

 

[Hiddenthings]

No, He will not reign on the earth for any period of time. Scripture teaches that He reigns now (Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23, Rev 1:5-6, Col 1:12-13, etc.) and that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes at the end of the age (1 Corinthians 15:22-24, Matthew 13:40-43).

While you are correct that He reigns over the body of believers, He is not yet seated on David’s throne, nor has He subdued the nations, both of which are essential aspects of a king ruling over a kingdom.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

While you are correct that He reigns over the body of believers, He is not yet seated on David’s throne

Peter said Jesus was seated on David's throne by way of His resurrection. You should listen to Peter.

Acts 2:29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [a]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

Peter indicated that David prophesied that God "would raise up the Christ to sit on his (David's) throne". And then he indicated that the fulfillment of that prophecy was in relation to "the resurrection of the Christ". And, to prove that Jesus was raised up to David's throne, Peter talked about Him being "exalted to the right hand of God" and that God made Him "both Lord and Christ".

, nor has He subdued the nations, both of which are essential aspects of a king ruling over a kingdom.

How exactly will He rule over the ones who He will destroy when He comes?

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Clearly, "ruling" with a rod of iron involves destruction and not the kind of rule that Premils imagine.

Jesus said His kingdom did not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36). Period. He never said His kingdom ever would come with observation or that it ever would be of this world. He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes at the end of this temporal age (1 Corinthians 15:22-24, Matthew 13:40-43) and then He will be subject to the Father and the Father and Son will reign forever over the new heavens and new earth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Spiritual Israelite, while all the verses you cited express the truth that Christ has been given life, authority, and power, He is still laboring in Heaven with His Father to bring about our rest. His return is necessary to begin the process of putting all things under His feet. Spiritually, God has overcome the world through Christ; literally and physically, however, this victory is still to be fully realized.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Peter said Jesus was seated on David's throne by way of His resurrection. You should listen to Peter.

Acts 2:29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [a]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,

Correct Spiritual - however, as I said in my previous post this Kingdom and Throne are not in the Earth as promised.

30 Being therefore a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne Acts 2:30.

“Christ to sit on David's throne”

This fulfills the divine promise made to David and ultimately brings about the glorious kingdom for which David longed (2 Samuel 7:25–26).

“Of the fruit of Davids loins he (God) would set one upon his throne.”

Every king requires a coronation, just as David did (see 1 Samuel 16 and 2 Samuel 2–5). Likewise, Christ’s coronation will be a wonderful event yet to occur on Earth.

Do you know what was unique about David's coronation to all other kings? It's something which must happen again as a fulfillment of God's promise.

See if you can work it out.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite, while all the verses you cited express the truth that Christ has been given life, authority, and power, He is still laboring in Heaven with His Father to bring about our rest. His return is necessary to begin the process of putting all things under His feet. Spiritually, God has overcome the world through Christ; literally and physically, however, this victory is still to be fully realized.

All things are under His feet now, but not all things that will ever exist have yet existed so not all things that will ever exist are yet under His feet. But, at any given time, all things that exist are under His feet.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

When Jesus comes again at the end of the age, He will then deliver His kingdom to the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Correct Spiritual - however, as I said in my previous post this Kingdom and Throne are not in the Earth as promised.

That was never promised. You are mistaken. You are not allowing the New Testament to show you the true fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies for you. You need to trust that the NT authors understood the fulfillment of OT prophecies better than any of us do.

30 Being therefore a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne Acts 2:30.

“Christ to sit on David's throne”

This fulfills the divine promise made to David and ultimately brings about the glorious kingdom for which David longed (2 Samuel 7:25–26).

“Of the fruit of Davids loins he (God) would set one upon his throne.”

Every king requires a coronation, just as David did (see 1 Samuel 16 and 2 Samuel 2–5). Likewise, Christ’s coronation will be a wonderful event yet to occur on Earth.

Do you know what was unique about David's coronation to all other kings? It's something which must happen again as a fulfillment of God's promise.

See if you can work it out.

I don't buy any of this. Peter said Christ was already raised to sit on David's throne. It has a spiritual fulfillment. Accept that instead of trying to make some other kind of fulfillment as well. Peter knew what he was talking about.

 

[Hiddenthings]

When Jesus comes again at the end of the age, He will then deliver His kingdom to the Father.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

First Christ coming to rebuild David's tent (Throne)
Then at the end of Christ's reign he will deliver up Davids throne. Kingdom, Earth to God who becomes all in all.

Red text is the Saints goal during the Kingdom age.

 

[Hiddenthings]

That was never promised. You are mistaken. You are not allowing the New Testament to show you the true fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies for you. You need to trust that the NT authors understood the fulfillment of OT prophecies better than any of us do.


I don't buy any of this. Peter said Christ was already raised to sit on David's throne. It has a spiritual fulfillment. Accept that instead of trying to make some other kind of fulfillment as well. Peter knew what he was talking about.

Going back to your Acts quote for evidence

It's actually the point being made and I think you missed it.

“Of the patriarch David” The term patriarch refers to the head or founder of a dynasty. David was the founder of the monarchy from which the Messiah would come. Therefore, the Messiah is called the “son of David” (Matthew 22:42), yet he is also David’s Lord, as Peter explains. This dual nature of the Messiah puzzled the Jews (v46) and can only be fully realized in Jesus Christ, who is both Emmanuel (“God with us”) and a descendant of David (Luke 3:23–31).

“That he is both dead and buried” The evidence is undeniable. This fact, commemorated by the traditional tomb of David on Mount Zion, disproves the common teaching of the immortality of the soul. Regarding David, he is truly dead ( Acts 13:36; 2 Samuel 7:12).

Hence the reason for Christ's return and for David to be raised and to witness Christ ascend his throne!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

First Christ coming to rebuild David's tent (Throne)
Then at the end of Christ's reign he will deliver up Davids throne. Kingdom, Earth to God who becomes all in all.

Red text is the Saints goal during the Kingdom age.

Nope. You're reading things into the text that aren't there. That is unacceptable. But, it's pointless to continue this discussion at this point. We'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Going back to your Acts quote for evidence

It's actually the point being made and I think you missed it.

“Of the patriarch David” The term patriarch refers to the head or founder of a dynasty. David was the founder of the monarchy from which the Messiah would come. Therefore, the Messiah is called the “son of David” (Matthew 22:42), yet he is also David’s Lord, as Peter explains. This dual nature of the Messiah puzzled the Jews (v46) and can only be fully realized in Jesus Christ, who is both Emmanuel (“God with us”) and a descendant of David (Luke 3:23–31).

“That he is both dead and buried” The evidence is undeniable. This fact, commemorated by the traditional tomb of David on Mount Zion, disproves the common teaching of the immortality of the soul. Regarding David, he is truly dead ( Acts 13:36; 2 Samuel 7:12).

Hence the reason for Christ's return and for David to be raised and to witness Christ ascend his throne!

I don't find your arguments to be convincing whatsoever. I have no interest in continuing this discussion because I know it will go nowhere.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Spiritual Israelite

For the duration of the Millennium, Christ’s glorified brethren (and sisters ) will share in ruling the earth with him. To sit with him on His throne and govern the nations is the promise extended to those who overcome and endure to the end of their probation (Revelation 3:21; 2:26–27). The extraordinary blessedness of those who enter the Kingdom as immortals is emphasized by John, who twice describes the saints living and reigning with Christ as kings and priests for a thousand years within just three verses (Revelation 20:4–6).

The glorified saints will serve as administrators and mediators of the Kingdom age. They will govern and guide the mortal population in all aspects of life. Among their primary responsibilities will be teaching and instructing mortals in divine principles. They will also enforce the new law, grounded in the Law of Moses, and judge righteously on Christ’s behalf (Isaiah 32:1,16–17; Psalm 72:1–4).

As priests, the saints will minister to the spiritual needs of those under their care. Having themselves experienced mortal infirmity, they will be able to guide and support mortals with the same compassion and insight that Christ now exercises toward his brethren (Hebrews 2:17–18; 5:1–2). During this time, assistance to straying mortals will be more direct and openly accessible (Isaiah 30:21; 33:5–6).

Among the saints, there will be varying degrees of authority and responsibility, as indicated in passages such as Mark 10:40, Matthew 19:28, and Luke 19:17–19.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Nope. You're reading things into the text that aren't there. That is unacceptable. But, it's pointless to continue this discussion at this point. We'll have to agree to disagree.

You could see the time stamps

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

This will happen at the resurrection

23 But every man in his own order:

Time stamp given!

Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ already glorified and at his 2nd coming so will the Saints.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;

Now Paul introduces the work of that Millennial age.

when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

So, this is the literal and physical fulfillment of what you hold as a spiritual belief...yet to be revealed in the Earth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Spiritual Israelite

Verses 23–24: There are three stages in the fulfillment of the promise that “in Christ shall all be made alive”:

1. Christ Himself — raised from the dead as the firstfruits.
2. Those who belong to Christ at His coming — the resurrection of the saints at his return.
3. The final resurrection at “the end” when the kingdom is delivered to the Father, corresponding to the last great ingathering after the Millennium.

These stages align with the three major feasts of the Law:

1. Passover and Firstfruits — Christ’s resurrection.
2. Pentecost — the further firstfruits, the resurrection of the saints at Christ’s return (cf. James 1:18).
3. Tabernacles — the harvest, or final ingathering, marking the end of the thousand-year reign (v. 24).

Thus, the last great resurrection occurs after the Millennium!