THE BODY OF CHRIST WASN'T FORMED AT PENTECOST

[Doug]

[Acts 2:36 KJV] "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.".........Peter was saying that Jesus was the Christ and the Son of God, but was rejected by Israel.
[Acts 2:37 KJV] "Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?"
[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.".......Peter was calling Israel to believe that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and be baptized in his name.
[Acts 2:39 KJV] "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call."
[Acts 2:40 KJV] "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."........Peter was exhorting unbelieving Israel to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God and save themselves from being judged along with unbelieving Israel. Peter was not calling out believing Jews to form the body of Christ, but rather he was calling out a remnant of believing Jews to be part of the little flock that would inherit the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth.
The body of Christ was not formed at Pentecost.

 

[DJT_47]

The Jews first then the Gentiles as promised in scripture. The Jews @ Jerusalem (Acts2) then The Gentiles at Caesarea (Acts10).

 

[bdavidc]

Peter was exhorting unbelieving Israel to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God and save themselves from being judged along with unbelieving Israel. Peter was not calling out believing Jews to form the body of Christ, but rather he was calling out a remnant of believing Jews to be part of the little flock that would inherit the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth.
The body of Christ was not formed at Pentecost.

Scripture says it. Christ’s body was born at Pentecost.

Jesus told the apostles the work of its formation had not yet taken place, but was about to take place. Jesus told the apostles, “John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence” ~Acts 1:5. That baptism had not taken place prior to Acts 2. At Pentecost it did take place.

Later Paul tells us what that baptism into the Spirit accomplishes. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. The coming into being of Christ’s body coincides with the baptism of believers into the Spirit. If that Spirit baptism began at Pentecost, then the body of Christ began at Pentecost.

Acts 2 tells us what happened at Pentecost. “They were all filled with the Holy Ghost” ~Acts 2:4. Believers were added together, and Scripture states plainly, “And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” ~Acts 2:47. Scripture refers to what began that day as the church, not some separate Jewish entity or program.

Believers were not yet Spirit-filled as described above, before Pentecost. Jesus said concerning the Spirit, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” ~John 14:17. That “shall be” is fulfilled in Acts 2. The Spirit’s indwelling presence is necessary for being in Christ. “If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” ~Romans 8:9.

I am unaware of any biblical passage teaching a subsequent formation of the body of Christ or a Pentecost-less body separate from the church. Scripture binds Spirit baptism, unity in one body, and birth of the church together. All three take place at Pentecost.

Yes. The body of Christ, according to Scripture alone, began at Pentecost.

 

[Doug]

The Jews first then the Gentiles as promised in scripture. The Jews @ Jerusalem (Acts2) then The Gentiles at Caesarea (Acts10).

I dont know what you are saying but I will say the Gentiles in Acts 10 were saved by Peter's preaching and are members of the little flock believing remnant of Israel not the body of Christ

 

[Doug]

I am unaware of any biblical passage teaching a subsequent formation of the body of Christ or a Pentecost-less body separate from the church. Scripture binds Spirit baptism, unity in one body, and birth of the church together. All three take place at Pentecost.

So if thats the case there is only one church and this applies to you.

If there is one true church than the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.

[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them. The teachings of Jesus and the twelve are one and the same.

If there is only one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve apply to us. If this is so then some verses need to be addressed.

[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........This verse would apply to whoever says there is one church. If there is one church then this command from Christ applies because ALL teachings and commands do.

[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand? Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom and commanded the twelve to preach it. The gospel was the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years was at hand. It demanded repentance and water baptism. This command applies if there is one true church.

[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."..........If there is one true church then this command applies. To have sins forgiven (remitted) water baptism is required, otherwise sins aren't washed away.

[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........This teaching applies to the one true church. Ones sins can't be forgiven unless one forgives others. THIS COMMAND CAUSES A DILEMMA. The one true church requires us to apply all the teachings of Jesus and the twelve, but Paul is an apostle in the one church as well and his teachings and commands apply as well. Paul teaches we are forgiven ALL trespasses..........[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"...........

How do you reconcile this?. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness. Who's teaching on this do we follow? The way to reconcile this is to acknowledge there are two churches with different commands and teachings.

 

[JLB]

Scripture says it. Christ’s body was born at Pentecost.

Jesus told the apostles the work of its formation had not yet taken place, but was about to take place. Jesus told the apostles, “John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence” ~Acts 1:5. That baptism had not taken place prior to Acts 2. At Pentecost it did take place.

Later Paul tells us what that baptism into the Spirit accomplishes. “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles” ~1 Corinthians 12:13. The coming into being of Christ’s body coincides with the baptism of believers into the Spirit. If that Spirit baptism began at Pentecost, then the body of Christ began at Pentecost.

Acts 2 tells us what happened at Pentecost. “They were all filled with the Holy Ghost” ~Acts 2:4. Believers were added together, and Scripture states plainly, “And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved” ~Acts 2:47. Scripture refers to what began that day as the church, not some separate Jewish entity or program.

Believers were not yet Spirit-filled as described above, before Pentecost. Jesus said concerning the Spirit, “He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” ~John 14:17. That “shall be” is fulfilled in Acts 2. The Spirit’s indwelling presence is necessary for being in Christ. “If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” ~Romans 8:9.

I am unaware of any biblical passage teaching a subsequent formation of the body of Christ or a Pentecost-less body separate from the church. Scripture binds Spirit baptism, unity in one body, and birth of the church together. All three take place at Pentecost.

Yes. The body of Christ, according to Scripture alone, began at Pentecost.

‘Are you saying a person must have the baptism with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues to be saved… like what happened at Pentecost?

 

[rvmb]

‘Are you saying a person must have the baptism with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues to be saved… like what happened at Pentecost?

How many here have performed Acts 2:44-45
any hands going up ?
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

 

[Doug]

How many here have performed Acts 2:44-45
any hands going up ?
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

[Acts 2:14 KJV] "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:".............Peter was speaking to Jews, to men of Judea...............[Acts 2:5 KJV] "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."............Peter was also speaking to all who dwell at Jerusalem, who were Jews....................[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.".....................Peter said to be water baptized for the remission of sins, not faith in Christ, in his blood for forgiveness
[Acts 2:40 KJV] "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."..........................Israel had to believe to escape being in the untoward generation that would face the tribulation

 

[rvmb]

[Acts 2:14 KJV] "But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all [ye] that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:".............Peter was speaking to Jews, to men of Judea...............[Acts 2:5 KJV] "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven."............Peter was also speaking to all who dwell at Jerusalem, who were Jews....................[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.".....................Peter said to be water baptized for the remission of sins, not faith in Christ, in his blood for forgiveness
[Acts 2:40 KJV] "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."..........................Israel had to believe to escape being in the untoward generation that would face the tribulation

What was the punishment for not honestly complying with Acts 2:44-45 ?
ans :- Acts 5:1-10
Another difference :-
How was the HS received in Acts ?
How is the HS received today ?
Conclusion :-
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how believers today are saved and not Acts 2:38-45

 

[Doug]

What was the punishment for not honestly complying with Acts 2:44-45 ?
ans :- Acts 5:1-10
Another difference :-
How was the HS received in Acts ?
How is the HS received today ?
Conclusion :-
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how believers today are saved and not Acts 2:38-45

Are we saying we should sell all?

 

[rvmb]

Are we saying we should sell all?

You can answer that yourself with this question.
Gal 2:7-9 -- Who teaches you the Gospel, Peter or Paul ?
Gospel by Paul 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Gospel by Peter Acts 2:37-45

 

[Doug]

You can answer that yourself with this question.
Gal 2:7-9 -- Who teaches you the Gospel, Peter or Paul ?
Gospel by Paul 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Gospel by Peter Acts 2:37-45

You arent making yourself clear

 

[shepherdsword]

[Acts 2:36 KJV] "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.".........Peter was saying that Jesus was the Christ and the Son of God, but was rejected by Israel.
[Acts 2:37 KJV] "Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do?"
[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.".......Peter was calling Israel to believe that Jesus was Christ, the Son of God and be baptized in his name.
[Acts 2:39 KJV] "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call."
[Acts 2:40 KJV] "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."........Peter was exhorting unbelieving Israel to believe that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God and save themselves from being judged along with unbelieving Israel. Peter was not calling out believing Jews to form the body of Christ, but rather he was calling out a remnant of believing Jews to be part of the little flock that would inherit the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth.
The body of Christ was not formed at Pentecost.

It was formed at the cross:

Eph 2:13-16
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

 

[Doug]

It was formed at the cross:

Eph 2:13-16
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

The body of Christ was formed when Christ appeared to Paul. Christ formed the body by a new dispensation which formed the church.

 

[shepherdsword]

The body of Christ was formed when Christ appeared to Paul. Christ formed the body by a new dispensation which formed the church.

The scriptures I posted say that the Jew and Gentile were united into one body at the cross...I'll stick with that.

 

[Doug]

The scriptures I posted say that the Jew and Gentile were united into one body at the cross...I'll stick with that.

Ok but the verse you gave is Paul manifesting what was accomplished by the cross not at the cross

 

[rvmb]

You arent making yourself clear

Gal 2:9, who do you believe teaches you the Gospel ?
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Based on your answer, what verses do they write that teaches how you are saved ?