Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Spiritual Israelite]

Acting out won't remove these truths!

LOL. What truths have you stated? None that I've seen. You remain delusional. No one who denies the deity of Christ has a clue about what truth is.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your frustration and bitterness is palpable. This is all you have now - ad hominem and insults. Your theological arguments have all been resolutely and repeatedly refuted. You are describing yourself and misrepresenting Eric again.

Look in the mirror!

You spent your time here avoiding the issues and misrepresenting others.

Try to imagine how prideful @Davidpt is when he refuses to let go of premil and his other false beliefs despite many years of being shown the truth. That's stubborn pride at its worst.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Heb. 9:28 simply refers to the second advent (and that is not in question, but is accepted, granted, believed). That (text) is not a negation of the third advent texts already cited.

There are no texts that refer to a third advent. This is something you have made up in your imagination.

Tell me, what verses do you think refer specifically to a 3rd advent/coming of Christ?

It is like citing a text on the first advent, and thinking there is no second advent by not listing the other texts on it.

If I list a text that says, "Peter, James and John", Are there no other disciples?
If I list a text that says, "Jesus wept", Are there no other emotions that Jesus displayed?

Simply listing a text on the second advent is not evidence against the third advent and those texts.

I was not implying that only one verse proves no third advent/coming. I just quoted that one to show He is coming a second time. He is not coming a third time. Scripture never teaches that. And you are completely incapable of showing otherwise.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Does you mum know you are online? If not, she should do.

Time to give it a break.

Agree you're lacking depth in this discussion and maybe a few more years and prayer is needed!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You can only relay what you have been told. Your esoteric theology belongs in Gnosticism. It is totally unbiblical. I refer you back to my avoided question.

This guy denies the deity of Christ. He is spiritually blind.

 

[WPM]

This guy denies the deity of Christ. He is spiritually blind.

Really? That explains things. He is apostate. He is blind.

What is his cult?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly! That's how I understand it as well. It was simply a prophecy about paradise in the future, meaning the new Jerusalem that comes down from God out of heaven. Jesus was simply telling him that he too will be in paradise with Him when He comes in His kingdom.

Luke 23:42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Some either ignore this or simply don't comprehend that this proves that Jesus wasn't meaning that very same day. As if while He was in the heart of the earth, it equals Him having come into His kingdom. Not to mention, He wasn't even presented with a kingdom until after He ascended back into heaven first some days later following his resurrection. And that the thief said remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

Jesus was not prophesying about paradise in the future. That's nonsense. Do you deny that the soul and spirit of the thief on the cross is with Jesus in paradise/the third heaven right now?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Questions:

Does caught up mean caught away?
Where is Paradise located?
Why is it called third heaven?
Heard things to sacred to put into words!

Contextual question:

Did Paul, during the “vision and revelation” described in Acts 18:9, receive a view of the Kingdom—understood as the third-heaven and earth period when God is “all in all”—similar to the vision Christ granted to Peter, James, and John at the Transfiguration (Matt 16:28)?

While I have my own conclusions, it is more constructive to weigh the evidence within the text itself and to review the various heaven and earth periods in which former things pass away and new governance is introduced as in Isaiah 65 & Rev 21.

These questions while difficult many will avoid them because they do not like where the answer will take them.

Christians have invented layers of heaven that Scripture does not teach. They have forced Paul into ascending to God’s throne room, even though the text never states this. They also fail to understand why the things Paul heard could not be spoken aloud, because they do not grasp the clear biblical teaching of God’s “all in all” Kingdom, which Revelation 20 and 21 present plainly.

The New Jerusalem is not a literal new heaven and earth, but a new and holy governance established on the earth, when Christ and the saints present to Yahweh their God the fulfillment of Numbers 14:21 and Habakkuk 2:14.

 

[WPM]

Try to imagine how prideful @Davidpt is when he refuses to let go of premil and his other false beliefs despite many years of being shown the truth. That's stubborn pride at its worst.

Exactly. He is the perfect personification of his own refutation.

• He cannot continue a conversation more than 2 posts, as his theology goes up in smoke in every thread.
• He depends on AI to get his theology.

 

[Hiddenthings]

This guy denies the deity of Christ. He is spiritually blind.

Spiritual sight is given to those who are His.

 

[WPM]

These questions while difficult many will avoid them because they do not like where the answer will take them.

Christians have invented layers of heaven that Scripture does not teach. They have forced Paul into ascending to God’s throne room, even though the text never states this. They also fail to understand why the things Paul heard could not be spoken aloud, because they do not grasp the clear biblical teaching of God’s “all in all” Kingdom, which Revelation 20 and 21 present plainly.

The New Jerusalem is not a literal new heaven and earth, but a new and holy governance established on the earth, when Christ and the saints present to Yahweh their God the fulfillment of Numbers 14:21 and Habakkuk 2:14.

I refer you back to my avoided post. You cannot handle the truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Really? That explains things. He is apostate. He is blind.

What is his cult?

Yes, I recall debating with him and one of the Jehovah's Witnesses about the topic of the deity of Christ some time back. I'm not sure which cult he belongs to, but I recall him saying that he's not a JW.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Spiritual sight is given to those who are His.

You finally got something right. But, you don't have it because you are not His. No one who denies who He is (God) belongs to Him.

 

[Hiddenthings]

It reminds me of this truth...“The simple hate knowledge; they do not seek understanding.”

 

[Hiddenthings]

You finally got something right. But, you don't have it because you are not His. No one who denies who He is (God) belongs to Him.

It would be easy for many to report this post, but I actually enjoy watching you act it out, as it highlights the contrast with the truth.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly. He is the perfect personification of his own refutation.

• He cannot continue a conversation more than 2 posts, as his theology goes up in smoke in every thread.
• He depends on AI to get his theology.

The pattern has repeated for many years on the various forums. He comes and makes false claims. We refute them. He doesn't respond and disappears for weeks or months before coming back. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It reminds me of this truth...“The simple hate knowledge; they do not seek understanding.”

That truth reminds me of you.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I refer you back to my avoided post. You cannot handle the truth.

If you gave Revelation 21 a go, I am confident you would understand its message; for now, however, the scales remain.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If you gave Revelation 21 a go, I am confident you would understand its message; for now, however, the scales remain.

Which cult do you belong to again? I know you said before that you're not a Jehovah's Witness despite agreeing with them that Jesus is not God. But, I don't recall you saying which cult you are a member of.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The New Jerusalem is not a literal new heaven and earth, but a new and holy governance established on the earth, when Christ and the saints present to Yahweh their God the fulfillment of Numbers 14:21 and Habakkuk 2:14.