Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

[Adventageous]

Yes he was so when he returns he would also end up standing on the Earth.

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


The first coming was from heaven to Earth, and he stood upon it and so the second coming is likewise.

So, the rest of my response, which addressed this concern in some detail, was ...?

 

[Adventageous]

So, this proves that you just made the third advent/coming of Christ up since none of those scriptures say anything about a third coming of Christ. ...

No, it demonstrates in some detail (none of which was addressed in your response (at all)) the third advent. Nothing was "made ... up" at all, since the texts, in context, and their chiasm, and their relation were all provided. If you are looking for a specific singular text which exactly says, "third advent / coming", then that is the logical fallacy, of what I like to call, "Show me 'Potato Salad'!", and it is something that WTS / JW, Muslims, and even atheists, and others do, when they have lost their footing in the discussion. Here is how that works:

"Another way to look at this. Consider a common Islamic Muslim Dawah ‘challenge’: “Show me,” says the zealous Muslim, “just one place in the entire Bible where Jesus says exactly, “I am God, worship me!”” The challenge is a complete fraud, and so is the devil who came up with it and passed it along to his worshippers. The person is not looking for truth about Jesus, or what Jesus or others said about Him. They are simply looking to have a cheap and empty victory, since the ‘question’ or ‘challenge’ (a vain ‘gotcha’) is designed to have no answer. It is the same to those who say, “Show me one place in the Bible (or even out of the SoP / ToJ) where the exact phrase “God the Son”, or “God the Holy Ghost / Spirit” appears.” They will wait forever, and never will they be shown such a place, and they already know it, before they ask it. It is not a genuine question or challenge.​

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Maybe if it is presented in a humorous way it will ‘stick’ a bit better. There was an old game show on television (still around, but re-vamped a little), called “Family Feud” (terrible name). In this show, the contestants would have to guess words up on the board that were hidden from view that were related to a main word or key phrase. The participants would have to guess at those words or phrases based only on the starting word or phrase. If the game-player guessed incorrectly, and their guess-word did not appear on the board, they would receive an “[X]” or a strike. 3 “[X]’s”, or strikes, and their “Family” would lose the round. What if the starting phrase was, “Something at a family picnic.” The persons on the show might guess all manner of things, however, for this example, the guess by contestant Mr. ‘P. G. Sr.’ will be “Potato Salad”. He says to the Host boldly, while simultaneously pointing fiercely with his right arm thrust out and index finger ram-rod straight towards the open air, “Show me ‘Potato Salad!’”​

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Lo, and behold, the exact words “Potato Salad” do not appear on the board, and he is about to receive a nasty red “[X]” with deep crimson-faced shame. Ah, how sad for Mr. ‘P. G. Sr.’. And how sad for all those ‘contestants’ who play the silly game of ‘Show me the EXACT phrase of such and such in the Bible.’ However, the Host, who knows better, and with more grace than some religionists, turns over a board piece, and it reads, “Salad made out of Potatoes.” Grace upon grace, the Host turns over another board piece just after the first, and it reads, “Cold salted spuds in a creamy white sauce and mixed veggies”. And, finally, for the “pièce de résistance”, the Host, with overflowing charity and a broad knowing gregarious and infectious smile, and with a bit of elegant flair, flips over the final winning piece, that reads, “Tater-salad.”​

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Did “Potato Salad” appear on the board, yes or no? Yes and no. Likewise, just because the exact words of letters arranged in a specific order do not appear in the Bible does not automatically mean that like phrases do not exist, or that entire ideas exist in phrases stated after another fashion."​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, it demonstrates in some detail (none of which was addressed in your response (at all)) the third advent. Nothing was "made ... up" at all, since the texts, in context, and their chiasm, and their relation were all provided. If you are looking for a specific singular text which exactly says, "third advent / coming", then that is the logical fallacy, of what I like to call, "Show me 'Potato Salad'!", and it is something that WTS / JW, Muslims, and even atheists, and others do, when they have lost their footing in the discussion. Here is how that works:

"Another way to look at this. Consider a common Islamic Muslim Dawah ‘challenge’: “Show me,” says the zealous Muslim, “just one place in the entire Bible where Jesus says exactly, “I am God, worship me!”” The challenge is a complete fraud, and so is the devil who came up with it and passed it along to his worshippers. The person is not looking for truth about Jesus, or what Jesus or others said about Him. They are simply looking to have a cheap and empty victory, since the ‘question’ or ‘challenge’ (a vain ‘gotcha’) is designed to have no answer. It is the same to those who say, “Show me one place in the Bible (or even out of the SoP / ToJ) where the exact phrase “God the Son”, or “God the Holy Ghost / Spirit” appears.” They will wait forever, and never will they be shown such a place, and they already know it, before they ask it. It is not a genuine question or challenge.​

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Maybe if it is presented in a humorous way it will ‘stick’ a bit better. There was an old game show on television (still around, but re-vamped a little), called “Family Feud” (terrible name). In this show, the contestants would have to guess words up on the board that were hidden from view that were related to a main word or key phrase. The participants would have to guess at those words or phrases based only on the starting word or phrase. If the game-player guessed incorrectly, and their guess-word did not appear on the board, they would receive an “[X]” or a strike. 3 “[X]’s”, or strikes, and their “Family” would lose the round. What if the starting phrase was, “Something at a family picnic.” The persons on the show might guess all manner of things, however, for this example, the guess by contestant Mr. ‘P. G. Sr.’ will be “Potato Salad”. He says to the Host boldly, while simultaneously pointing fiercely with his right arm thrust out and index finger ram-rod straight towards the open air, “Show me ‘Potato Salad!’”​

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Lo, and behold, the exact words “Potato Salad” do not appear on the board, and he is about to receive a nasty red “[X]” with deep crimson-faced shame. Ah, how sad for Mr. ‘P. G. Sr.’. And how sad for all those ‘contestants’ who play the silly game of ‘Show me the EXACT phrase of such and such in the Bible.’ However, the Host, who knows better, and with more grace than some religionists, turns over a board piece, and it reads, “Salad made out of Potatoes.” Grace upon grace, the Host turns over another board piece just after the first, and it reads, “Cold salted spuds in a creamy white sauce and mixed veggies”. And, finally, for the “pièce de résistance”, the Host, with overflowing charity and a broad knowing gregarious and infectious smile, and with a bit of elegant flair, flips over the final winning piece, that reads, “Tater-salad.”​

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Did “Potato Salad” appear on the board, yes or no? Yes and no. Likewise, just because the exact words of letters arranged in a specific order do not appear in the Bible does not automatically mean that like phrases do not exist, or that entire ideas exist in phrases stated after another fashion."​

Stop wasting your time. I am not asking you to show any scripture that specifically contains the phrase "the third coming of Christ" or anything like that. I'm saying there is no scripture which even implies a third coming of Christ. You are making that up in your imagination. Scripture teaches He will come again from heaven one time in the future in the same manner that He ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and it will be without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). The idea of a third coming of Christ is nowhere to be found in scripture. Period.

 

[WPM]

Stop wasting your time. I am not asking you to show any scripture that specifically contains the phrase "the third coming of Christ" or anything like that. I'm saying there is no scripture which even implies a third coming of Christ. You are making that up in your imagination. Scripture teaches He will come again from heaven one time in the future in the same manner that He ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and it will be without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). The idea of a third coming of Christ is nowhere to be found in scripture. Period.

They make it up as they go.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They make it up as they go.

Very true. There's a number of people here who, for whatever reason, come up with interpretations of scripture all to themselves. No one agrees with them. As if God would reveal truth to just one person. It's unbelievable how delusional some people here are.

 

[WPM]

Very true. There's a number of people here who, for whatever reason, come up with interpretations of scripture all to themselves. No one agrees with them. As if God would reveal truth to just one person. It's unbelievable how delusional some people here are.

This is the only place they would get away with it. They can hide under anonymity. Nowhere in real life would take them serious They should never be allowed to share their heresy and confusion.

 

[Adventageous]

Stop wasting your time. I am not asking you to show any scripture that specifically contains the phrase "the third coming of Christ" or anything like that. I'm saying there is no scripture which even implies a third coming of Christ. You are making that up in your imagination. Scripture teaches He will come again from heaven one time in the future in the same manner that He ascended to heaven (Acts 1:9-11) and it will be without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). The idea of a third coming of Christ is nowhere to be found in scripture. Period.

I just showed that it is in scripture, by the context, linguistics, chiasmus structure, and citations of NT from OT. You of course may diasgree, as is your prerogative, but such disagreement is not contrary evidence to that which was provided in detail. I also cited the exact same texts you just did, and showed by them, from scripture, there indeed is.

 

[Adventageous]

This is the only place they would get away with it. They can hide under anonymity. Nowhere in real life would take them serious They should never be allowed to share their heresy and confusion.

I have in no way, and by no means, hidden my identity. I have in fact, provided my actual name in full, along with my own written and published materials (for free), with my name directly on it, along with my brief background and history and present beliefs / practices as an ex-Roman Catholic, and now Seventh-day Adventist. Even the user name I have, is all over the net in many places. So, there are millions of people that also agree with what I am saying, not that argumentum ad majorem / populum means anything to me, since the foundation of faith / practice is scripture, as this very thread shows from its inception.

Your last sentence strikes me as entirely inquisitorial, which system does not desire public discussion of ideologies. If a person does not like what I have presented / shared, they are free to attempt (and that is all that it will ever be) to refute it in the same manner. Otherwise, the other option is simply to not participate, read or respond to anything herein, and so close the eyes and ears to what this thread has to offer.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I just showed that it is in scripture,

No, you didn't. All you did was twist scripture out of proportion to fit your false belief in 3 comings/advents of Christ.

by the context, linguistics, chiasmus structure, and citations of NT from OT. You of course may diasgree, as is your prerogative, but such disagreement is not contrary evidence to that which was provided in detail.

Your evidence only exists in your mind. You can't show one verse in all of scripture that refers to a coming of Christ which relates to a third coming of Christ. Meanwhile, I can show you many verses in scripture that refer to a coming of Christ that relates to His second coming.

I also cited the exact same texts you just did, and showed by them, from scripture, there indeed is.

There is no third coming of Christ. It's simply not taught anywhere in scripture and you have done nothing to prove otherwise. Why would He come in the future more than once? I guarantee you have no answer to that question, either. There would be no reason for it. We can see from scripture that He is going to destroy all unbelievers at His second coming (Matt 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2, 2 Thess 1:7-9, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:15-18) and that He will judge all people at His second coming (Matthew 25:31-46). Believers, including the resurrected dead in Christ, will all be changed to put on bodily immortality at that time (1 Cor 15:50-54). The Lord's people will be with Him forever after His second coming (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17), so what would be the point of Him ever coming again a third time? None.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have in no way, and by no means, hidden my identity. I have in fact, provided my actual name in full, along with my own written and published materials (for free), with my name directly on it, along with my brief background and history and present beliefs / practices as an ex-Roman Catholic, and now Seventh-day Adventist. Even the user name I have, is all over the net in many places. So, there are millions of people that also agree with what I am saying, not that argumentum ad majorem / populum means anything to me, since the foundation of faith / practice is scripture, as this very thread shows from its inception.

I have never seen any Seventh-day Adventist claim that there will be 3 advents/comings of Christ (The past one and 2 more in the future).

 

[Adventageous]

... Scripture teaches He will come again from heaven ...

As I have shown, that event is called "the day of the LORD", &c., which is a 1000 years long, and has a beginning phase (2nd advent) , and an ending phase (3rd advent).

 

[Adventageous]

I have never seen any Seventh-day Adventist claim that there will be 3 advents/comings of Christ (The past one and 2 more in the future).

Have you read or listened to the book (by Sister White) called "The Great Controversy" (1911 ed.)? It is in there also, as it is standard Seventh-day Adventist material, amening scripture -

(PDF) - SDA Ellen G White The Great Controversy 1911 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

(Audio book) -

or (Audio Book) here - The Great Controversy - by Ellen G. White - Audio Book (for Video) - Voices & Sounds - Myers Media : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Chapter 41—Desolation of the Earth

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"... [page 657.1] At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of His mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the City of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. “Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6. ..." - The Great Controversy​

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"... [page 660.2] For a thousand years, Satan will wander to and fro in the desolate earth to behold the results of his rebellion against the law of God. During this time his sufferings are intense. ..." - The Great Controversy​

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"... [page 661.2] At the close of the thousand years the second resurrection will take place. Then the wicked will be raised from the dead and appear before God for the execution of “the judgment written.” Thus the revelator, after describing the resurrection of the righteous, says: “The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.” Revelation 20:5. And Isaiah declares, concerning the wicked: “They shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.” Isaiah 24:22 ..." - The Great Controversy​

Chapter 42—The Controversy Ended

"... [page 662.1] At the close of the thousand years, Christ again returns to the earth. He is accompanied by the host of the redeemed and attended by a retinue of angels. As He descends in terrific majesty He bids the wicked dead arise to receive their doom. They come forth, a mighty host, numberless as the sands of the sea. What a contrast to those who were raised at the first resurrection! The righteous were clothed with immortal youth and beauty. The wicked bear the traces of disease and death.​

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[page 662.2] Every eye in that vast multitude is turned to behold the glory of the Son of God. With one voice the wicked hosts exclaim: “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!” It is not love to Jesus that inspires this utterance. The force of truth urges the words from unwilling lips. As the wicked went into their graves, so they come forth with the same enmity to Christ and the same spirit of rebellion. They are to have no new probation in which to remedy the defects of their past lives. Nothing would be gained by this. A lifetime of transgression has not softened their hearts. A second probation, were it given them, would be occupied as was the first in evading the requirements of God and exciting rebellion against Him.​

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[page 662.3] Christ descends upon the Mount of Olives, whence, after His resurrection, He ascended, and where angels repeated the promise of His return. Says the prophet: “The Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.” “And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof, ... and there shall be a very great valley.” “And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one.” Zechariah 14:5, 4, 9. As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ, with His people and the angels, enters the Holy City.​

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[page 663.1] Now Satan prepares for a last mighty struggle for the supremacy. ..." - The Great Controversy​

 

[Adventageous]

Meanwhile, I can show you many verses in scripture that refer to a coming of Christ that relates to His second coming.

That statement is again a logical fallacy. I do not claim that there are not texts that speak on the 2nd advent. I already agree to such things. Simply showing texts on the 2nd advent, are in no way a negation of the third. It is like attempting to argue that Jesus was a man (came in the likeness of sinful flesh), when my point is Jesus not only was that, but was also God (Deity) manifest in the flesh. Arguing for the first (flesh of mankind) and showing such texts, in no way precludes the material on the latter, nor discounts it. Simply arguing, or attempting to demonstrate, a point which is already agreed upon (Jesus is coming again a second time, and that soon) is not helpful to the point of contention in the matter of the third advent. Thus, yes the second advent is there in the texts (agreed to, no need to redemonstrate a point agreed to), but (the point of contention) there is also (in addition to the 2nd advent) a 3rd advent in the texts.

 

[WPM]

Have you read or listened to the book (by Sister White) called "The Great Controversy" (1911 ed.)? It is in there also, as it is standard Seventh-day Adventist material, amening scripture -

(PDF) - SDA Ellen G White The Great Controversy 1911 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

(Audio book) -

or (Audio Book) here - The Great Controversy - by Ellen G. White - Audio Book (for Video) - Voices & Sounds - Myers Media : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Chapter 41—Desolation of the Earth

​

"... [page 657.1] At the coming of Christ the wicked are blotted from the face of the whole earth—consumed with the spirit of His mouth and destroyed by the brightness of His glory. Christ takes His people to the City of God, and the earth is emptied of its inhabitants. “Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6. ..." - The Great Controversy​

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"... [page 660.2] For a thousand years, Satan will wander to and fro in the desolate earth to behold the results of his rebellion against the law of God. During this time his sufferings are intense. ..." - The Great Controversy​

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"... [page 661.2] At the close of the thousand years the second resurrection will take place. Then the wicked will be raised from the dead and appear before God for the execution of “the judgment written.” Thus the revelator, after describing the resurrection of the righteous, says: “The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.” Revelation 20:5. And Isaiah declares, concerning the wicked: “They shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.” Isaiah 24:22 ..." - The Great Controversy​

Chapter 42—The Controversy Ended

"... [page 662.1] At the close of the thousand years, Christ again returns to the earth. He is accompanied by the host of the redeemed and attended by a retinue of angels. As He descends in terrific majesty He bids the wicked dead arise to receive their doom. They come forth, a mighty host, numberless as the sands of the sea. What a contrast to those who were raised at the first resurrection! The righteous were clothed with immortal youth and beauty. The wicked bear the traces of disease and death.​

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[page 662.2] Every eye in that vast multitude is turned to behold the glory of the Son of God. With one voice the wicked hosts exclaim: “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord!” It is not love to Jesus that inspires this utterance. The force of truth urges the words from unwilling lips. As the wicked went into their graves, so they come forth with the same enmity to Christ and the same spirit of rebellion. They are to have no new probation in which to remedy the defects of their past lives. Nothing would be gained by this. A lifetime of transgression has not softened their hearts. A second probation, were it given them, would be occupied as was the first in evading the requirements of God and exciting rebellion against Him.​

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[page 662.3] Christ descends upon the Mount of Olives, whence, after His resurrection, He ascended, and where angels repeated the promise of His return. Says the prophet: “The Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with Thee.” “And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof, ... and there shall be a very great valley.” “And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and His name one.” Zechariah 14:5, 4, 9. As the New Jerusalem, in its dazzling splendor, comes down out of heaven, it rests upon the place purified and made ready to receive it, and Christ, with His people and the angels, enters the Holy City.​

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[page 663.1] Now Satan prepares for a last mighty struggle for the supremacy. ..." - The Great Controversy​

Who cares what she taught? We Christians go by the Bible.

You are deluded.

 

[Adventageous]

Who cares what she taught? We Christians go by the Bible.

You are deluded.

The statement by "Spiritual Israelite", said, "I have never seen any Seventh-day Adventist claim that there will be 3 advents/comings of Christ (The past one and 2 more in the future)." - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

Thus, I provided from the standard, and one of the most commonly sold, printed, handed out materials, the book the Great Controversy, that the ideology is not personal to me (myself), but is on the whole, accepted, and taught by the official Seventh-day Adventist faithful. That was the only reason it was cited in this thread. It was in a defensive demonstration of a point I had made earlier, since the idea was brought into question as being among Seventh-day Adevntists.

I care what she (sister White) taught, since, there is a claim made of being a "messenger of the LORD", and others as a "prophetess", and so, according to scripture I am / was duty bound to test that / those claims, by scripture (KJB) and found them to be genuine, and in full harmony with scripture, and must accept what God hath done in her (as so done for all the others, that have the testimony of Jesus or the spirit of prophecy), and thus as it is written:

Mat_23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:​

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Luk_11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:​

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1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.​

Eph_4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;​

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1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.​

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.​

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1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.​

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.​

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.​

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Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.​

The Bible teaches that God not merely inspired men to write the texts of the Bible (2 Tim. 3:16-17 KJB), but also inspired men to speak and prophesy (2 Pet. 1:21 KJB). Both are required. The written word (Bible; KJB) is the final authority, and the spoken word, or other means of communication, must "amen" that final authority (1 Pet. 4:11 KJB).

Therefore, "I" (myself), as a Christian, must believe and listen to both since that is to "go by the Bible". Going by the Bible does not negate God's methods of communication, such as The Father's own voice speaking from heaven, the Son speaking, the Holy Ghost speaking, unfallen angels of heaven being sent with messages, mankind (priests, prophets, kings, apostles, teachers, evangelists, &c.), dreams, visions, animals, creation itself and the elements, divine providences, &c. All of these are in harmony with scripture, and not to be neglected.

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.​

Thus, Seventh-day Adventists "go by the Bible", while others neglect to listen to those whom God hath sent, by various reasonings, methods, &c. Some do not believe in any of the continuing gifts God gave in the Holy Spirit, and are effectively labelled "cessationists" (which is a heresy). Others simply reject all that claim to be messengers of the LORD, and thus are as the Sadducees, stopping their ears from hearing of continuing prophets / messengers, and whom only accepted "Moses" as the written word, and all this irrespective to what scripture states (as briefly noted above, that prophets / messengers have continued in the church, and will do so, until the end). Others make themselves their own prophets, as the woman Jezebel in the Revelation does (Rev. 2:20 KJB), and are as Pro. 25:14 KJB states. Others, are as the Pharisees, which may accept messengers, but refuse the true messenger when sent to them, and in their place, accept persons not sent of God with a counterfeit message. I have met all of these types of persons, in person.

You say, that I am "deluded", and yet, if you want evidence of the claims made by sister White, to test by scripture, then see the following:

Civil (See Evil) War - The State of Ruin-Nation -

Or you can read the following pages [241-269 (mid)] with citations in history and evidence - Godhead - The Eternal Heavenly Trio : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

When most people I have met say, in response to the subject of sister White, or modern prophets in general, they say, as you did, "We Christians go by the Bible." it really means they reject all claims of prophets / messengers, and yet that statement is not true on its face when one rejects the prophets / messengers God sends, which the Bible said God would do. In other words, instead of dealing with the claims made, they resort to a fall-back position, and simply accuse the believers in the true messengers (as opposed to false ones, raise up by satan to mask / hide/ bury the true) as being "deluded". The real delusion is in rejecting Jesus, by the Holy Ghost, in those whom He hath sent, just as those religionists did in the 1st century, and before, all the way back to Enoch.

 

[WPM]

The statement by "Spiritual Israelite", said, "I have never seen any Seventh-day Adventist claim that there will be 3 advents/comings of Christ (The past one and 2 more in the future)." - Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

Thus, I provided from the standard, and one of the most commonly sold, printed, handed out materials, the book the Great Controversy, that the ideology is not personal to me (myself), but is on the whole, accepted, and taught by the official Seventh-day Adventist faithful. That was the only reason it was cited in this thread. It was in a defensive demonstration of a point I had made earlier, since the idea was brought into question as being among Seventh-day Adevntists.

I care what she (sister White) taught, since, there is a claim made of being a "messenger of the LORD", and others as a "prophetess", and so, according to scripture I am / was duty bound to test that / those claims, by scripture (KJB) and found them to be genuine, and in full harmony with scripture, and must accept what God hath done in her (as so done for all the others, that have the testimony of Jesus or the spirit of prophecy), and thus as it is written:

Mat_23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:​

​

Luk_11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:​

​

1Co_12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.​

Eph_4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;​

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1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.​

1Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.​

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1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.​

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.​

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.​

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Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.​

The Bible teaches that God not merely inspired men to write the texts of the Bible (2 Tim. 3:16-17 KJB), but also inspired men to speak and prophesy (2 Pet. 1:21 KJB). Both are required. The written word (Biblw; KJB) is the final authority, and the spoken word, or other means of communication, must "amen" that final authority (1 Pet. 4:11 KJB).

Therefore, "I" (myself), as a Christian, must believe and listen to both since that is to "go by the Bible". Going by the Bible does not negate God's methods of communication, such as The Father's own voice speaking from heaven, the Son speaking, the Holy Ghost speaking, unfallen angels of heaven being sent with messages, mankind (priests, prophets, kings, apostles, teachers, evangelists, &c.), dreams, visions, animals, creation itself and the elements, divine providences, &c. All of these are in harmony with scripture, and not to be neglected.

Amo_3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.​

Thus, Seventh-day Adventists "go by the Bible", while others neglect to listen to those whom God hath sent, by various reasonings, methods, &c. Some do not believe in any of the continuing gifts God gave in the Holy Spirit, and are effectively labelled "cessationists" (which is a heresy). Others simply reject all that claim to be messengers of the LORD, and thus are as the Sadducees, stopping their ears from hearing of continuing prophets / messengers, and whom only accepted "Moses" as the written word, and all this irrespective to what scripture states (as briefly noted above, that prophets / messengers have continued in the church, and will do so, until the end). Others make themselves their own prophets, as the woman Jezebel in the Revelation does (Rev. 2:20 KJB), and are as Pro. 25:14 KJB states. Others, are as the Pharisees, which may accept messengers, but refuse the true messenger when sent to them, and in their place, accept persons not sent of God with a counterfeit message. I have met all of these types of persons, in person.

You say, that I am "deluded", and yet, if you want evidence of the claims made by sister White, to test by scripture, then see the following:

Civil (See Evil) War - The State of Ruin-Nation -

Or you can read the following pages [241-269 (mid)] with citations in history and evidence - Godhead - The Eternal Heavenly Trio : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

When most people I have met say, in response to the subject of sister White, or modern prophets in general, they say, as you did, "We Christians go by the Bible." it really means they reject all claims of prophets / messengers, and yet that statement is not true on its face when one rejects the prophets / messengers God sends, which the Bible said God would do. In other words, instead of dealing with the claims made, they resort to a fall-back position, and simply accuse the believers in the true messengers (as opposed to false ones, raise up by satan to mask / hide/ bury the true) as being "deluded". The real delusion is in rejecting Jesus, by the Holy Ghost, in those whom He hath sent, just as those religionists did in the 1st century, and before, all the way back to Enoch.

I have zero interest in your links to your false prophetess or any of her false teaching?

 

[Adventageous]

I have zero interest in your links to your false prophetess or any of her false teaching?

I understand your position about that, and I am not here to change your mind about it.

If we may continue with the OP subject, as I have questions to ask of you:

I make the statement, "I went to the store and bought groceries."

How long was "I" at the store before buying groceries?​

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What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short, or long?​

I make another statement, "Jesus would be born and die."

How long is between the time Jesus was "born", to the time He was to "die"?​

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What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short, or long?​

Consider this text:

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.​

I ask similar questions, and one additional, as like unto the first ones.

How long is the timing from the moment of "absent from the body" "to be present with the Lord"?​

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What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short or long?​

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Is there any text which sheds light on the timing from one thing to the other?​

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1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

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These things are related to the subject under discussion. Consider, and ask similar questions:

When does the following event (atmosphere of earth being removed, burning up, exposing it to open 'space' (2nd Heaven), as like the earth being covered in the blackness of sackcloth and mourning) occur; at the second coming (beginning the 1000 years), or after the 1000 years?

Isa_34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.​

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Jer_4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.​

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2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ...​

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2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?​

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Rev_6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

When does the following event (burning up of the world / land), as like the global flood of Noah, except in fire, occur; at the second coming, or after the 1000 years?

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.​

Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.​

Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.​

Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.​

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

Which destruction happens first; the destruction of the heaven (earth's atmosphere), or of the earth (earth's land)?

Now, looking at those two events, and their perfectly infallibly described timing by the texts above, consider the following texts, and the lynchpin words in them, and ask similar questions as at the first:

Mat_24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.​

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Mar_13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.​

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Luk_21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.​

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2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

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2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?​

One phase, or two phases; that take place in a greater "day of the LORD", or 1000 years length? Does the word "and" mean in the same 24hr period, or can it mean a much greater length of time? Do the texts say that the Earth passes away as in the same 24hr period as the Heaven?

So, can Heaven pass away at the beginning of the 1000 years, while the Earth passes away at the end of the 1000 years, all of which still takes place in the greater "day of the Lord", or "thousand years"?

 

[WPM]

I understand your position about that, and I am not here to change your mind about it.

If we may continue with the OP subject, as I have questions to ask of you:

I make the statement, "I went to the store and bought groceries."

How long was "I" at the store before buying groceries?​

​

What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short, or long?​

I make another statement, "Jesus would be born and die."

How long is between the time Jesus was "born", to the time He was to "die"?​

​

What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short, or long?​

Consider this text:

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.​

I ask similar questions, and one additional, as like unto the first ones.

How long is the timing from the moment of "absent from the body" "to be present with the Lord"?​

​

What is the lynchpin word in the sentence that indicates the passage of time, whether short or long?​

​

Is there any text which sheds light on the timing from one thing to the other?​

​

1Th_4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.​

​

These things are related to the subject under discussion. Consider, and ask similar questions:

When does the following event (atmosphere of earth being removed, burning up, exposing it to open 'space' (2nd Heaven), as like the earth being covered in the blackness of sackcloth and mourning) occur; at the second coming (beginning the 1000 years), or after the 1000 years?

Isa_34:4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.​

​

Jer_4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.​

​

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ...​

​

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?​

​

Rev_6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.​

When does the following event (burning up of the world / land), as like the global flood of Noah, except in fire, occur; at the second coming, or after the 1000 years?

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.​

Eze 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.​

Eze 38:21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.​

Eze 38:22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.​

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,​

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.​

Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.​

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

Which destruction happens first; the destruction of the heaven (earth's atmosphere), or of the earth (earth's land)?

Now, looking at those two events, and their perfectly infallibly described timing by the texts above, consider the following texts, and the lynchpin words in them, and ask similar questions as at the first:

Mat_24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.​

​

Mar_13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.​

​

Luk_21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.​

​

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.​

​

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?​

One phase, or two phases; that take place in a greater "day of the LORD", or 1000 years length? Does the word "and" mean in the same 24hr period, or can it mean a much greater length of time? Do the texts say that the Earth passes away as in the same 24hr period as the Heaven?

So, can Heaven pass away at the beginning of the 1000 years, while the Earth passes away at the end of the 1000 years, all of which still takes place in the greater "day of the Lord", or "thousand years"?

1st of all, which Scripture are you quoting: "Jesus would be born and die"?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I have shown, that event is called "the day of the LORD", &c., which is a 1000 years long, and has a beginning phase (2nd advent) , and an ending phase (3rd advent).

The day of the Lord is the day of the second coming of Christ. Nowhere does scripture teach that the day of the Lord lasts a long time or 1,000 years. Paul clearly taught that the day will bring "sudden destruction" upon unbelievers from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thessalonians 5:2-3). The day of the Lord is a literal 24 hour day during which, at some unknown hour, Jesus will come unexpectedly and things will happen suddenly on that day. The destruction will be "sudden". The change of our bodies will happen "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye". Nothing about the day of the Lord lasting a long time at all. Peter said we look for new heavens and new earth where righteousness will dwell in fulfillment of the promise of the second coming of Christ, so that means eternity will be ushered in at His coming, not a temporary 1,000 year period of time before eternity is ushered in.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That statement is again a logical fallacy. I do not claim that there are not texts that speak on the 2nd advent. I already agree to such things.

I'm saying that any specific reference to a future coming of Christ (Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 1 Thess 2:19, 1 Thess 3:13, 1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 1 Thess 5:23, 1 Cor 15:22-23, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Thess 2:1, 2 Peter 1:16, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 19:11-21) always refers to His second coming. Why would scripture never specifically refer to a future coming of Christ that is His supposed 3rd coming if He was going to come a third time? That makes no sense. His second coming is explicitly referenced many times, but His third coming is never explicitly referenced? How could that be the case? That doesn't add up.

Simply showing texts on the 2nd advent, are in no way a negation of the third. It is like attempting to argue that Jesus was a man (came in the likeness of sinful flesh), when my point is Jesus not only was that, but was also God (Deity) manifest in the flesh. Arguing for the first (flesh of mankind) and showing such texts, in no way precludes the material on the latter, nor discounts it. Simply arguing, or attempting to demonstrate, a point which is already agreed upon (Jesus is coming again a second time, and that soon) is not helpful to the point of contention in the matter of the third advent. Thus, yes the second advent is there in the texts (agreed to, no need to redemonstrate a point agreed to), but (the point of contention) there is also (in addition to the 2nd advent) a 3rd advent in the texts.

I understand what you're saying, but do you have any explanation for why His second coming would be explicitly referenced many times with His supposed 3rd coming never being explicitly referenced?