This wasnt revealed before Paul and the formation of the body of Christ
I SEE TWO CHURCHES IN ACTS 15
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Mark 10:17 said:
Another better question: I think every Christian should ask himself (or herself) the question: If Jesus Christ himself told me to do what He told the rich young ruler, would I do it? And if the answer is honestly "no", can I claim saving faith in the Pauline sense?
amigo de christo
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PUALINE is a WHORE that the apostel paul himself would have kicked clear out of the churches .
FOR PAUL followed as did all the apostels follow , as do all sheep follow , JESUS CHRIST .
HIS WORDS ARE OUR MEAT . HEED not a word one outta any mouth
that teaches anything contrary to CHRIST or the apostels , to include paul .
THEY ALL had THE SAME SPIRIT , THEY ALL preached THE SAME G OSPEL.
WHEN I say bible time . I mean bible time . Man has t hroug h his own lusts twisted things to fit their own desires
and those who sit under them have no idea and beleive them as t hough T HEY SPOKE FOR GOD . when c learly
THEY DO NOT .
amigo de christo
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people is far too broad a term . I mean we all people .
SO here is how you should have written that statement .
SHEEP KEEP INSISTING THERE IS ONLY ONE CHURCH .
David in NJ
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GOD insists that there is One Church = the Body of Christ
"People", like yourself and @GRACE ambassador keep insisting that God is wrong!!!
Ronald Nolette
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So why aren't you submitting to all the Mosaic Law? Oh that is right- you believe in 2 churches though Paul himself said there is only one body, one faith, one hope, one Lord and one baptism.
but you have two of each. One gospel for the converts down through the centuries of Peter and the other 10 apostles and one gospel for the converts of Paul!
You are just like the Carnal Christians of Corinth.
1 Corinthians 3
King James Version
3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
Ephesians 4:4-6
King James Version
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
You are denying the Scriptures.
amigo de christo
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Whether his lips be moving or his fingers typing , or if even his lips be moving while his fingers be typing .
ONE thing is certain . THE SHEEP AINT HEEDING that man .
The sheep know ITS ONE GOSPEL , ONE CHURCH , ONE BRIDE , ONE GOD and HIS CHRIST and HIS WORDS
shall they cling too .
Just a friendly reminder for us all . For when if even an angel , a voice
, a talking donkey or etc comes along
and says H AS G OD really said and tries to twist HIS WORDS
GUESS WHO THE SHEEP WONT BE HEEDING . THAT ONE .
Al low me again to remind us
FOR THIS REASON was i born and for this cause came i into the wo rld
TO tes tify OF THE TRUTH .
And guess what , EVERY WORD OF GOD IS TRUTH . so sheep heed they wont twist it .
Real simple if ya ask me . From page one to page last , SHEEP KNOW who inspired
the words in that book . AND THEM WORDS ARE T RUTH and meat for the sheep .
Real simple indeed . a strangers voice,ANYTHING THAT CONTRADICTS TRUTH , they will not follow .
Real simple indeed . But many have not the LOVE of GOD shed upon their hearts .
SHEEP DO . Now how about we r aise those hands and PRAISE THE LORD . FOR JESUS has THE SHEEP .
[Galatians 1:13 KJV] "For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:".........The church of God Paul persecuted was not the body of Christ. The body of Christ revealed to Paul by Jesus wasn't yet revealed.............[Acts 7:58 KJV] "And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul."
[Acts 7:59 KJV] "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."[Acts 8:1 KJV] "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."
[Acts 11:19 KJV] "Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but unto the Jews only.".........Paul(Saul) consented to Stephen's death and Paul's persecution of the little flock resulted in them being scattered.
The church that Paul persecuted can only be the little flock that was scattered. The believing remnant of Israel were scattered. Nowhere in scripture is the body of Christ said to be scattered.
what do you mean "So why aren't you submitting to all the Mosaic Law?"
I see once again you evaded having to answer my questions
I'm not sure how is this even a discussion. There is only one Church.
1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
1Co 12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
Eph 2:15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
There is one Church, one body of which Christ is the head, based on one gospel, by which any who are going to be saved will be saved.
1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.
1Co 12:12 For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ.
1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
Eph 2:11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility
Eph 2:15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
Eph 2:16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.
Eph 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call—
There is one Church, one body of which Christ is the head, based on one gospel, by which any who are going to be saved will be saved.
Yes today there is only one church the body of Christ. When the body of Christ was revealed to Paul there also existed the believing remnant of Israel The Gentiles as a whole was not included until Act 10.
Yet, there has always been one body, as stated in the passages I provided. All were reconciled "to God in one body through the cross;" it was at the cross, not later.
Act 2:11 both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
Acts 10 is simply God telling Peter to get out there and reach more Gentiles, to remind him that there are other sheep that are not of the fold of the Jews. It has always been one church--it may have begun largely with the Jews, but the Gentiles were always included and meant to be as a part of the plan. That doesn't make two churches.
The Gentiles arent the other sheep
[John 11:51 KJV] "And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;"
[John 11:52 KJV] "And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad."
The other sheep were Jews scattered by persecution
If you say there is one church then please answer these questions
As far as there being one church please answer these questions:
If there is one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve and Paul are all for us.
[Matthew 28:19 KJV] "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
[Matthew 28:20 KJV] "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, [even] unto the end of the world. Amen."............the twelve were to teach the nations to observe ALL things he commanded them. The teachings of Jesus and the twelve are one and the same.
If there is only one true church then the teachings of Jesus and the twelve apply to us. If this is so then some verses need to be addressed.
[Luke 12:33 KJV] "Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth."..........This verse would apply to whoever says there is one church. If there is one church then this command from Christ applies because ALL teachings and commands do. HAVE YOU SOLD ALL, IF NOT, WHY DOESNT THIS APPLY TO YOU?
[Matthew 24:14 KJV] "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."...........are you preaching the gospel of the kingdom? Are you preaching the prophetic kingdom on earth is at hand? Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom and commanded the twelve to preach it. The gospel was the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years was at hand. It demanded repentance and water baptism. This command applies if there is one true church. ARE YOU PRECHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM?
[Acts 2:38 KJV] "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."..........If there is one true church then this command applies. To have sins forgiven (remitted) water baptism is required, otherwise sins aren't washed away. DID YOU GET WATER BAPTIZED? IF SO DID YOU ACKNOWLEDGE IT WAS TO WASH AWY YOUR SINS?
[Matthew 6:14 KJV] "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:"
[Matthew 6:15 KJV] "But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."........This teaching applies to the one true church. Ones sins can't be forgiven unless one forgives others. THIS COMMAND CAUSES A DILEMMA. The one true church requires us to apply all the teachings of Jesus and the twelve, but Paul is an apostle in the one church as well and his teachings and commands apply as well. Paul teaches we are forgiven ALL trespasses..........[Colossians 2:13 KJV] "And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"...........How do you reconcile this?. The twelve would have to teach we need to forgive to be forgiven. Paul teaches we have all forgiveness. Who's teaching on this do we follow? The way to reconcile this is to acknowledge there are two churches with different commands and teachings.
WHOSE TEACHING ON FORGIVENESS SHOULD YOU FOLLOW? DO YOU FOLLOW JESUS AND BELIEVE YOU MUST FORGIVE TO BE FOREGIVEN OR PAUL WHO SAYS YOU HAVE ALL FOREGIVENESS?
I only gave a few scriptures as examples, but all of the teachings of Jesus, the twelve, and Paul would require application if there were only one church.
GRACE ambassador
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Amen. Very Easily Biblically Confirmed In Scriptures prayerfully and Carefully studied, eh?
What God Calls His saints?:
In God's prophetic [ earthly ] Covenants/Law program we find, for saints of Israel,
God "Calls" them: twelve tribes, and,
children of Israel, tribes of Jacob, lost sheep of the house of Israel; sheep going astray, having no
shepherd; sheep who hear His Voice; branches [ of Jesus, The Vine ], little flock, friends, salt of the earth,
light of the world, witnesses, handmaidens, servants of God; His servants the prophets, a people prepared
for The Lord;
newborn babes, little children, children of God, lively stones, a chosen generation, a royal priesthood,
an holy nation; people of God; a peculiar people unto God, above all the nations that are upon the
earth; elect Of God, kings, priests, overcomers. (OT, Mat - John, Heb - Rev)
"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God
made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall
all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." (Acts 3:25 AV)
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[ similar to below ]:
chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect,
heirs, servants, brethren, children/sons of God.
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
In God's Other [ Heavenly ] Mystery program, for saints of the Body Of Christ,
we find a few of the above:
[ similarities ]:
chosen, babes, dearly beloved, a peculiar people, elect,
heirs, servants, brethren, children/sons of God.
However, In Romans Through Philemon, as individuals,
we are "Called" By God: One Body, and:
babes In Christ, children of Light, dear children, children of the day, joint-heirs, soldiers/wrestlers,
beloved brethren, dearly beloved, brethren beloved, beloved Of God, brethren beloved of The Lord,
faithful brethren, partakers of [ Paul's God-Given ] Grace, the elect Of God:
members Of Christ; members of His One Body, of His Flesh, and of His Bones;
members one of another, members, Who God Has:
"...raised us up together, and made us sit together in
heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:6 AV) ,
sons and daughters Of The Lord God Almighty, standers, walkers, runners, servants of righteousness,
servants to God, servants of Jesus Christ, vessels of mercy/honor, workers, co-laborers with God,
[ future ] judges of angels, temple Of The Living God, and [ Approved ] 'students' of "The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided." (Romans - Philemon)
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One more for "members of The One Body Of Christ":
"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech
you by us: we pray you in Christ's Stead, be ye reconciled to God."
(2 Corinthians 5:20 AV)
Conclusion: not one word about any "sheep" In The Body Of Christ!
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:
The Bible: The BIG Picture
Amen.
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David in NJ
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The christians scattered because of persecution = same as those who fled the Harlot/RCC during the Inquisition.
Stop trying to formulate your own opinion upon scripture like @GRACE ambassador
All of us are commanded to believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of GOD = Matt 4:4
We also are COMMANDED to LOVE one another = which i do for both you and @GRACE ambassador
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It was BY the cross NOT at the cross. At the cross Jesus shed his blood for the new testament, only for Israel.. He died to redeem the sins Israel committed under the first testament.................[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."
It was revealed to Paul later that the cross was for ALL
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David in NJ
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@Justified is CORRECT = One CROSS
One Gospel equals/demands/Commands One CROSS for Jew & Gentile
Please SEE this @GRACE ambassador - and - Good Morning
David read this verse please...........[Acts 8:1 KJV] "And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles."............Does it not say that the time of this scattering was Acts 7 when Stephen was stoned? Why do you ignore scripture to assert it was at the inquisition?
David I would love to engage in a scriptural discussion, care to formulate one?
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