GOD's True Israel

[Davy]

WARNING: Do not buy into Jew's theories that come here which try... and claim that they, the Jews, are the only people of Israel. That idea is NOT Biblical, even though we hear it all the time by deceived preachers. Read your Bible for yourself, and check me out on this.


Let's just dump right off the bat... the Jew's false theory that Apostle Paul did not preach Christ's Church as Israel...

Eph 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

The Greek word for "commonwealth" simply means 'a community'. But in 16th century English terms, as also today, it means MORE than one people or nation. And with Paul using that for "Israel" there, that means MORE than just Jews. Well just who was Paul telling this to? To Gentile believers in Christ's Church.

What many brethren don't know, because of the Jew's false teachings among many Churches today, is that God's written Word actually points to 'how' the Gentiles would come to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ after... the majority of Jews rejected it, and still do to this day. I'll try and summarize some of those Biblical steps... check out the Scripture for yourself...

1. per Genesis 35 and Genesis 48, one of the prophecies of blessing per God's Birthright first given through Abraham, was that Jacob's seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations." And that prophecy extended to Joseph's son Ephraim per Genesis 48 that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

When I ask preachers about that prophecy, they start fidgeting in their seats. And just mention of it to Jews really riles them up against it, because they only want to be known as God's Israel.

But it's really, really simple to understand that the nation state of Israel in the middle east has only ever been but ONE nation, definitely not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations." Ask the majority of preachers out there and they will just turn a blind eye to who all those other nations of Israel might be. They don't know... because... they do not STUDY their Old Testament in depth like they should, or like we think they already do, but they do not.

2. even by following God's Birthright originally given through Abraham, the Bible student can make greater sense of who those "multitude of nations" are that Ephraim would become and be associated with, even to this day. The Birthright Promise being finalized upon Ephraim is written in 1 Chronicles 5.

3. God's Birthright involves His promises and blessings to Abraham originally. In Galatians 3, Apostle Paul revealed that The Gospel was preached to Abraham, and Abraham believed, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. And thus all those of Faith have become "the children of Abraham", Paul said in Galatians 3. Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ had always... been a part of God's Birthright to Israel, passed down from Abraham, then from his son Isaac, and then from his son Jacob, and then from his son Joseph, and finally upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where 'care'... of The Gospel still rests to this day among the Christian West and its allied Christian nations.

4. God split old Israel in Solomon's day into two nations, two kingdoms. The JEWS represented only THREE TRIBES of ISRAEL, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The title of Jew actually was derived from the tribe of Judah. Apostle Paul said he was a Jew born of the tribe of Benjamin. The tribe of Benjamin was the only tribe split off along with Judah when God split old Israel. The tribe of Levi would later become joined with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem-Judah once Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim started calf idol worship among the northern ten tribes and made common priests of the people. This is all Bible history written starting in 1 Kings 11, and also 2 Chronicles 11.

5. God scattered the northern ten tribes of Israel first out of the holy land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, never to return as the majority of Israelites. They became LOST, and thus the name Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

6. God did not loose the ten tribes, but declared what He would do to them once scattered. This is the main subject of the Book of Hosea. And it reveals that the Jews of the "house of Judah" only remained in the holy land when God scattered the ten tribes. Further revealed is how the ten tribe "house of Israel" would loose their heritage as part of Israel, and become as Gentiles living among Gentiles.

7. Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea in Romans 9 to Roman Gentile believers on Christ Jesus. In Hosea, God in final said the ten tribes would become His people again, and Paul included the believing Gentiles in that with them, which is about Christ's Church. Paul in that Romans 9 Chapter is explaining just how the "commonwealth of Israel" under Jesus Christ came to be, and it follows this Birthright history down to Ephraim having in final becoming "a multitude of nations" per Genesis 48.

8. that "multitude of nations" was fulfilled by the children of Israel through the ten tribe scattering to Assyria, and from there they would migrate mainly into Asia Minor to form the early Churches (like those Churches Jesus sent His 7 Messages to), and then further migrations in stages into Europe, and finally The Gospel being accepted on national scales there in Europe. Thus it is impossible... per God's Word, to try and prevent Christ's Church's direct association with God's Israel.

9. why do the Jews act so selfish then in thinking to protect that they only represent God's Israel? It is because the majority of the leadership of the unbelieving Jews in the nation of Israel are following the old crept in unaware FAKE Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" who crept in long ago, and were behind the murder of our Lord Jesus of Nazareth. They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people.

 

[Pierac]

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

This is why Paul only once quotes Jesus while he (Jesus) lived in the flesh... Yep...just once!!!

Jesus has now split humanity into two groups... The Called.... and the Chosen.

Mat 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Now... would the other Paul agree with Jesus' teaching in the flesh here? Probably not, maybe, who knows?

Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.


ACTS 13:48

“As many as were appointed to eternal life believed”

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48)

This is not poetry.
This is historical narrative explaining why something happened.

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1. The Direction of Causation Is Explicit

The sentence structure matters.

Luke does not say:

• “As many as believed were appointed”
• “As many as chose life were then written down”
• “As many as freely responded became appointed”

He says:

Those who were appointed → believed

Appointment precedes belief.
Belief follows appointment.

This alone overturns free-will causation. Called vs Chosen!


So complicated when you follow the traditions of men... Israel or Jews... So simple when you do not!

 

[Davy]

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

This is why Paul only once quotes Jesus while he (Jesus) lived in the flesh... Yep...just once!!!

Jesus has now split humanity into two groups... The Called.... and the Chosen.

Mat 22:14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Now... would the other Paul agree with Jesus' teaching in the flesh here? Probably not, maybe, who knows?

Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.


ACTS 13:48

“As many as were appointed to eternal life believed”

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.” (Acts 13:48)

This is not poetry.
This is historical narrative explaining why something happened.

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1. The Direction of Causation Is Explicit

The sentence structure matters.

Luke does not say:

• “As many as believed were appointed”
• “As many as chose life were then written down”
• “As many as freely responded became appointed”

He says:

Those who were appointed → believed

Appointment precedes belief.
Belief follows appointment.

This alone overturns free-will causation. Called vs Chosen!


So complicated when you follow the traditions of men... Israel or Jews... So simple when you do not!

That's the way Calvin thought it is... but he missed The Bible's deeper Message in that. And it is this...


1. The 'called' can STILL... fall away and be deceived.

2. The 'chosen' cannot fall away, nor be deceived.


So which group was Calvin agreeing that were 'appointed'?? The 2nd group, the 'chosen' ones.

HOW... do we know per God's Word that those 'called' only can still be deceived and fall away? It's because of all the warnings that Lord Jesus and His Apostles gave against being deceived and falling away. Christ's very first warning to believers was to not allow any man to deceive us. It is ludicrous to think those warnings are to believers than can never be deceived and fall away.

Therefore, God's Word actually does... show that the majority of believers still have 'free will', while only certain ones are 'chosen' and cannot be deceived nor fall away. But I understand that preachers must preach that all believers will never fall away and will be saved, in order to fill their collection plates so as to keep preaching The Gospel.

 

[Davy]

A NOTE TO THOSE IN CHRIST WITH EYES TO SEE, AND EARS TO HEAR:

Pierac has obviously posted here to try and change the subject of this Thread which this Thread is about the relationship of the scattered ten northern tribes of Israel in Christ's Church, and how they manifested originally as the western Christian nations, fulfilling the "company of nations", and "multitude of nations" prophecies in Genesis.

As I have said before, the JEWS in particular do not like any other people to be called or known as Israel.

Well that's just too bad, because God's written Word clearly defines just who His Israel represented after His splitting of the old nation in Solomon's day, and it did NOT represent the JEWS of the "kingdom of Judah" that dwelt at Jerusalem-Judea (1 Kings 11 forward).

When God split old Israel, He made Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim king over the northern ten tribes (1 Kings 11). Solomon had originally made Jeroboam governor over the northern ten tribes of Israel. The name of that northern kingdom which God gave to Jeroboam of Ephraim was the "kingdom of Israel". That did NOT apply to the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem. Other names used was the "house of Judah" just for the Jews of the southern kingdom, and the "house of Israel" for the northern kingdom of ten tribes under the tribe of Ephraim.

You will find Jews also trying to steal... that title "house of Israel" today, when it does not Biblically apply to them. It instead was used for the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel", as it still does even to the end of this world.

WHY... would the Jews try to make us believe that they only represent God's chosen? It's because like I had said, Satan's children operate among them, as Lord Jesus showed, and Satan tries to steal everything that belongs to God. Another reason, which most will think more fair, is that when God scattered all the ten northern tribes of Israel out of the holy land, the Jews of the 3-tribe "house of Judah" at Judea were the only Israelites left in the land. So there wasn't any other Israelites in the land, so those Jews became known as Israel.

And today, since the return of many Jews back to the holy land, especially with the forming of the nation of Israel in 1948, the Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem especially try to claim Old Testament prophecies about the 'final' return of all of the people of Israel has and is happening today. But it is not. Per Ezekiel 37, God showed that His separation of the "two nations" of Israel remains in effect all the way up to the gathering of the "house of Israel", i.e. the TEN LOST TRIBES. That will only happen on the day of Christ's future coming, as written in many Bible prophecies.

Thus those Jews today, who try to deceive because they themselves are deceived, want you to believe the restoration of the kingdom of Israel is happening now, today, WITHOUT CHRIST's coming. And that means they are doing that to prepare the deceived to accept the 1st supernatural Messiah that shows up in Jerusalem, which will be the "dragon" himself (Rev.13:11-14). That is the main reason why they are against any idea of Christ's Church being associated with God's Israel.

 

[Pierac]

TWO GODS?

from the start of Judaism and later Christianity, the most famous aspect and unique characteristic of the two religions is the fact that they were, and still are monotheistic. Christianity is really the continuation of Judaism. Both religions believe in one, and only one unbegotten God, creator of the universe. There are no other gods in these two faiths.​

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the LORD... there is no God but me."

Isaiah 45:5 - "I am the LORD and there is no other, there is no God besides me."

Isaiah 45:6 - "Men may know that there is none besides me. I am the LORD, there is no other."

No one will contest that to a Jew or a Christian, there is only one God. Anything else would simply be considered polytheism. The majority of Christianity believes in one God, but a God that is plural in makeup. There are three persons that constitute this one God. They are three, but yet, they are still all the one God. There is: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

In this paper we will be concerned primarily with Trinitarian Christianity’s view of God. Specifically, God the Son.

We all know that God the Son has a Father (God the Father). But the question that must be asked and answered is: can God the Son have a God? Every pastor that I have ever asked this question to has always said "Of course not!" But is that the answer given in Scripture? No, on the contrary. As you will see, the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament is said to have a God. Then you will see that Jesus the Messiah fulfills those prophesies because he most definitely has a God. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus has a God, then it might be time to rethink and research the Doctrine of the Trinity. Because if God the Son has a God, then there are TWO GODS!

To make this as simple as possible, I am not going to list the huge amount of Scriptures which have God (not "Father") and Jesus in the same sentence, or Scriptures that have God speaking to Jesus, or Jesus speaking to God. We will only be concerned with Scriptures that prove that Jesus has a God.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES

Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s womb you are my God."

NEW TESTAMENT​

Jesus Speaking:

John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."

Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."

Paul:

Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."

2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."

Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Peter:

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."


John:

Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."

When one reads the preceding verses, there is one thing that is a fact. That Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken? Are we to believe that all these verses are misprints? Are we to suppose that theologians several centuries after Christ knew more about Jesus than Jesus and his Apostles? There is no way around it.

The New American Bible (a Roman Catholic Bible) in a section discussing biblical revelation says,

"It is the very same God who reveals Himself in so many richly divergent ways on every page of the Scriptures. The God of Abraham and Moses and David is the God of Jesus of Nazareth."

Everyone in Jesus’ day knew that Jesus had a God. Even later, people in Rome who did not believe in Jesus knew that he had a God.

THE ALEXAMENOS GRAFFITI FROM PALATINE HILL IN ROME​

The first pictorial representation of Jesus on record is actually a derisive graffiti on the wall of a house on the Palatine Hill in Rome. It pictured the body of a man being crucified but with the head of an ass. The inscription reads:

"Alexamenos worships his God."

This individual was obviously ridiculing Alexamenos for being a Christian. But a crucial point to be made is the fact that is says that Alexamenos worships HIS (Jesus’) God. Even the pagans in Rome knew about Jesus’ God.

So why do we never hear a sermon or anything else on the God of Jesus Christ. The reason is that people who believe in the Trinity cannot explain this obvious fact. They have absolutely no explanation for it. They claim that God the Son cannot have a God because that would mean that there are two Gods. But there it is in black and white. Jesus has a God. Are you going to take man’s word over God’s word? Hopefully not. If Jesus has a God, there is absolutely no way that the Doctrine of the Trinity can stand without violating the most basic principle of Christianity; that there is only ONE God!

So does that make Trinitarians and anyone else who thinks that Jesus is God polytheists? It sure does! One God plus One God equals TWO GODS.

"Now this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). Jesus’ own words. God bless you.

 

[Davy]

TWO GODS?

from the start of Judaism and later Christianity, the most famous aspect and unique characteristic of the two religions is the fact that they were, and still are monotheistic. Christianity is really the continuation of Judaism. Both religions believe in one, and only one unbegotten God, creator of the universe. There are no other gods in these two faiths.​

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You are out of line, and obviously not a true Christian.

Christianity has NOTHING to do with Judaism.

Judaism is about doctrines of the UNBELIEVING JEWS created by false crept in unawares and rely on the corrupt Babylonian Talmud that came out of the confusion of Judah's captivity to Babylon. They are TRADITIONS and COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, AND JESUS REBUKED THEM.

To this day the Jew's religion, Judaism, REJECTS Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Christianity is about those who are known as CHRISTIANS, that title having been derived from Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, God's promised Savior.

And I thank... my Heavenly Father and His Son that He spiritually blinded only a PORTION of Israelites, i.e., the JEWS, away from belief on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ per Old Testament prophecy.

That means the MAJORITY OF ISRAELITES (ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel") have believed on Jesus Christ, and make a MAJOR PORTION OF CHRIST'S CHURCH!


Therefore, may GOD rebuke you for pushing Judaism here, in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Pierac]

You are out of line, and obviously not a true Christian.

Christianity has NOTHING to do with Judaism.

Judaism is about doctrines of the UNBELIEVING JEWS created by false crept in unawares and rely on the corrupt Babylonian Talmud that came out of the confusion of Judah's captivity to Babylon. They are TRADITIONS and COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, AND JESUS REBUKED THEM.

To this day the Jew's religion, Judaism, REJECTS Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ.

Christianity is about those who are known as CHRISTIANS, that title having been derived from Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, God's promised Savior.

And I thank... my Heavenly Father and His Son that He spiritually blinded only a PORTION of Israelites, i.e., the JEWS, away from belief on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ per Old Testament prophecy.

That means the MAJORITY OF ISRAELITES (ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel") have believed on Jesus Christ, and make a MAJOR PORTION OF CHRIST'S CHURCH!


Therefore, may GOD rebuke you for pushing Judaism here, in the Name of Jesus Christ.

Show me using scripture what a obvious christian is?

I believe... Jesus is the Messiah!

I believe... Jesus died for the sins of the world!

I believe... Jesus was raised from the grave on the 3rd day and is now at the right hand of his God!

So tell me what any Trinity has to do with salvation??? A word missing from Scripture!!!

• Teach us... Oh Great One how the Trinity saves our souls!!!

Me and Jesus have news for you....

Joh 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.


Webster
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AND, conj.

And is a conjunction, connective or conjoining word. It signifies that a word or part of a sentence is to be added to what precedes. Thus, give me an apple and an orange; that is, give me an apple, add or give in addition to that, an orange. John and Peter and James rode to New York, that is, John rode to New York; add or further, Peter rode to New York; add James rode to New York.

So.... who is the true Christian... according to Jesus Davy boy.... I'll tell you.... The one who knows the God of Jesus!

 

[Davy]

Show me using scripture what a obvious christian is?

I believe... Jesus is the Messiah!

I believe... Jesus died for the sins of the world!

I believe... Jesus was raised from the grave on the 3rd day and is now at the right hand of his God!

So tell me what any Trinity has to do with salvation??? A word missing from Scripture!!!
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If... you were able to switch off your love for Judaism's false traditions, and instead connect to the spiritual mind in Christ, then you would KNOW beyond all doubt that Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh, which is what His Title "Immanuel" of Isaiah 7:14 means per Matthew 1:23. But you instead REJECT those Bible Scripture proofs because of your listening to Judaism instead! So your problem is simple, you just have not realized it yet. But YOU WILL, (if not in the this world), RECOGNIZE JESUS OF NAZARETH AS GOD THE SON when He returns and you see Him as He is.

 

[Davy]

The Jewish historian, Flavius Josephus, who lived circa 100 A.D., quoted Nehemiah in the following about the identity of the returning Jews back to Jerusalem from their Babylon captivity by king Nebuchadnezzar...

From The Antiquities of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book 11, Chapter 5, Section 7:​

7. Now when he was come to Babylon, and had taken with him many​

of his countrymen, who voluntarily followed him, he came to​

Jerusalem in the twenty and fifth year of the reign of Xerxes. And​

when he had shown the epistles to God he gave them to Adeus, and​

to the other governors. He also called together all the people to​

Jerusalem, and stood in the midst of the temple, and made the​

following speech to them: "You know, O Jews, that God hath kept​

our fathers, Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in mind continually, and​

for the sake of their righteousness hath not left off the care of you.​

Indeed he hath assisted me in gaining this authority of the king to​

raise up our wall, and finish what is wanting of the temple. I desire​

you, therefore who well know the ill-will our neighboring nations​

bear to us, and that when once they are made sensible that we are in​

earnest about building, they will come upon us, and contrive many​

ways of obstructing our works, that you will, in the first place, put​

your trust in God, as in him that will assist us against their hatred,​

and to intermit building neither night nor day, but to use all​

diligence, and to hasten on the work, now we have this especial​

opportunity for it." When he had said this, he gave order that the​

rulers should measure the wall, and part the work of it among the​

people, according to their villages and cities, as every one's ability​

should require. And when he had added this promise, that he​

himself, with his servants, would assist them, he dissolved the​

assembly. So the Jews prepared for the work: that is the name they​

are called by from the day that they came up from Babylon, which is​

taken from the tribe of Judah,. which came first to these places, and​

thence both they and the country gained that appellation.​

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That reveals what the Israelites of the southern "kingdom of Judah" called themselves, i.e., Jews, that name having come from the tribe Judah.

After God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms and houses per 1 Kings 11, the "kingdom of Judah" (JEWS) made up the southern kingdom with its capital city at Jerusalem. Judah was its main leader tribe since God had ordained Israel's kings to be descended from the tribe of Judah of the house of David. At the first of the split, the only other tribe that was joined with the tribe of Judah in the southern holy land Judea, was the tribe of Benjamin. Once the Levites in the northern lands of ten tribes were not allowed to fulfill their priestly duty among the ten tribes, those Levites left the north and went south and joined with Judah and Benjamin. All three tribes of that southern "kingdom of Judah" used the title of JEW for themselves, including the strangers that lived among them.

It was that 3 tribe "kingdom of Judah" that was taken captive to Babylon by the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar. That captivity did not involve the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel", for they had already been taken in an earlier captivity about 200 years prior by the Assyrians. Only the "kingdom of Judah", the Jews, were left in the land.

The above quote from Josephus, is about his quoting Nehemiah at the return of the remnant of Jews from Babylon who would rebuild Jerusalem, the wall, and the 2nd temple. You can see mention of captive Jews per Ezra 1 that sought to return to Jerusalem, and then lists of who all returned of the Jews to Jerusalem after the Babylon captivity per Ezra 2. NONE... of the northern ten tribes are mentioned in that. That's because the northern ten tribes of Israel had already been removed from the land by the kings of Assyria (See 2 Kings 17).

So if you don't realize that today's Jews ONLY represent about 1/3 of total Israelites in the world, that means you have been wrongly taught to OMIT God's prophecies in His Word that are 'specifically' given ONLY to the ten tribe "house of Israel" which the Jews and the world think are LOST. The so-called Ten Lost Tribes of Israel are NOT lost to our Heavenly Father. He knows exactly who they are today, and where the majority of them are today. And the ten tribes historically made up the largest body of Israelites.

 

[Pierac]

If... you were able to switch off your love for Judaism's false traditions, and instead connect to the spiritual mind in Christ, then you would KNOW beyond all doubt that Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh, which is what His Title "Immanuel" of Isaiah 7:14 means per Matthew 1:23. But you instead REJECT those Bible Scripture proofs because of your listening to Judaism instead! So your problem is simple, you just have not realized it yet. But YOU WILL, (if not in the this world), RECOGNIZE JESUS OF NAZARETH AS GOD THE SON when He returns and you see Him as He is.

Yet.... You some how completetly miss Acts 2:22 as the beginning of the actual Church... that does not apply to your belief!!!


Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man clearly attested to you by God with powerful deeds, wonders, and miraculous signs that God performed among you through him, just as you yourselves know —

• Deuteronomy 4:35: “The LORD is God; there is no other besides Him.”
• Isaiah 44:6: “I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no God.”

Time to actually dig in spritual contex....

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[Kayla McCanny]

TWO GODS?

from the start of Judaism and later Christianity, the most famous aspect and unique characteristic of the two religions is the fact that they were, and still are monotheistic. Christianity is really the continuation of Judaism. Both religions believe in one, and only one unbegotten God, creator of the universe. There are no other gods in these two faiths.​

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the LORD... there is no God but me."

Isaiah 45:5 - "I am the LORD and there is no other, there is no God besides me."

Isaiah 45:6 - "Men may know that there is none besides me. I am the LORD, there is no other."

No one will contest that to a Jew or a Christian, there is only one God. Anything else would simply be considered polytheism. The majority of Christianity believes in one God, but a God that is plural in makeup. There are three persons that constitute this one God. They are three, but yet, they are still all the one God. There is: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

In this paper we will be concerned primarily with Trinitarian Christianity’s view of God. Specifically, God the Son.

We all know that God the Son has a Father (God the Father). But the question that must be asked and answered is: can God the Son have a God? Every pastor that I have ever asked this question to has always said "Of course not!" But is that the answer given in Scripture? No, on the contrary. As you will see, the prophesied Messiah in the Old Testament is said to have a God. Then you will see that Jesus the Messiah fulfills those prophesies because he most definitely has a God. If you come to the conclusion that Jesus has a God, then it might be time to rethink and research the Doctrine of the Trinity. Because if God the Son has a God, then there are TWO GODS!

To make this as simple as possible, I am not going to list the huge amount of Scriptures which have God (not "Father") and Jesus in the same sentence, or Scriptures that have God speaking to Jesus, or Jesus speaking to God. We will only be concerned with Scriptures that prove that Jesus has a God.

OLD TESTAMENT MESSIANIC PROPHESIES

Psalm 89:26-28 - "He (the Messiah) shall say of me. "You are my father, my God, my rock, my savior". And I will make him the firstborn."

Micah 5:3-4 - "He (the Messiah) shall stand firm and shepherd his flock by the strength of the LORD, in the Majestic name of the LORD, his God."

Psalm 22:10-11 - "To you I was committed at birth. From my mother’s womb you are my God."

NEW TESTAMENT​

Jesus Speaking:

John 20:17 - "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

Matthew 27:46 - "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

Revelation 3:12 - "Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God."

Revelation 3:2 - "for I have not found your works complete in the sight of my God."

Paul:

Ephesians 1:3 - "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Ephesians 1:17 - "I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father..."

2 Corinthians 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

2 Corinthians 11:31 - "The God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ knows, He who is blessed forever, that I do not lie."

Romans 15:6 - "that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Peter:

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ."


John:

Revelation 1:6 - "To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, who has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."

When one reads the preceding verses, there is one thing that is a fact. That Jesus Christ has a God. Jesus speaks of his God, Peter Paul and John mention the God of Jesus Christ. Are they all mistaken? Are we to believe that all these verses are misprints? Are we to suppose that theologians several centuries after Christ knew more about Jesus than Jesus and his Apostles? There is no way around it.

The New American Bible (a Roman Catholic Bible) in a section discussing biblical revelation says,

"It is the very same God who reveals Himself in so many richly divergent ways on every page of the Scriptures. The God of Abraham and Moses and David is the God of Jesus of Nazareth."

Everyone in Jesus’ day knew that Jesus had a God. Even later, people in Rome who did not believe in Jesus knew that he had a God.

THE ALEXAMENOS GRAFFITI FROM PALATINE HILL IN ROME​

The first pictorial representation of Jesus on record is actually a derisive graffiti on the wall of a house on the Palatine Hill in Rome. It pictured the body of a man being crucified but with the head of an ass. The inscription reads:

"Alexamenos worships his God."

This individual was obviously ridiculing Alexamenos for being a Christian. But a crucial point to be made is the fact that is says that Alexamenos worships HIS (Jesus’) God. Even the pagans in Rome knew about Jesus’ God.

So why do we never hear a sermon or anything else on the God of Jesus Christ. The reason is that people who believe in the Trinity cannot explain this obvious fact. They have absolutely no explanation for it. They claim that God the Son cannot have a God because that would mean that there are two Gods. But there it is in black and white. Jesus has a God. Are you going to take man’s word over God’s word? Hopefully not. If Jesus has a God, there is absolutely no way that the Doctrine of the Trinity can stand without violating the most basic principle of Christianity; that there is only ONE God!

So does that make Trinitarians and anyone else who thinks that Jesus is God polytheists? It sure does! One God plus One God equals TWO GODS.

"Now this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). Jesus’ own words. God bless you.

Think of it as an egg. 3 parts, but are one. There are not 2 gods.

 

[Davy]

Yet.... You some how completetly miss Acts 2:22 as the beginning of the actual Church... that does not apply to your belief!!!


Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man clearly attested to you by God with powerful deeds, wonders, and miraculous signs that God performed among you through him, just as you yourselves know —

• Deuteronomy 4:35: “The LORD is God; there is no other besides Him.”
• Isaiah 44:6: “I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no God.”

Time to actually dig in spritual contex....

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You only show you FAIL TO RELY ON THE NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES, and instead default to Judaism's use of The Old Testament only.

Jesus Christ speaking of Himself...

Rev 1:7-8
7 Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, Which is, and Which was, and Which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

And you don't have a clue as to when The Church actually began.

 

[Davy]

TIME FOR A REMINDER SUMMARY OF THE THREAD TOPIC:

God's Word shows that because of Solomon allowing his many foreign pagan wives to bring idol worship in among the children of Israel, that He split the old kingdom of Israel into TWO separate kingdoms, or houses.

"kingdom of Judah" -- also known as the "house of Judah", or just "Jerusalem", or just "Judah" in God's written Word. Jerusalem was their capital city in the southern portion of the holy lands. These were made up only of the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin at the split. When the Levites in the north among the northern ten tribes were prevented from performing their priest duties, they as a majority left the northern ten tribes and instead joined with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem-Judea. Solomon's son Rehoboam of the tribe of Judah of the house of David was "king of Judah".

"kingdom of Israel" -- these were made up only of the northern ten tribes that dwelt in the northern part of the holy lands. They made up the majority of the Israelites, and still do to this day. They took the name Israel, which God gave them when He made Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim "king of Israel" over the ten tribes (1 Kings 11). These were then later called the "house of Israel", and also just "Israel", or "Joseph", or "Ephraim", or "Samaria", in God's Word. Samaria in the north was their capital city.


TWO CAPTIVITIES, not one:

God caused 2 separate captivities of the 12 tribes of Israel after the split.

1st Captivity (in stages) -- upon the ten tribe "house of Israel" only, by the kings of Assyria to the lands of northern Assyria and the Medes. King Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim, king of Israel over the northern ten tribes, because he feared many of the ten tribes would go to Jerusalem to worship, and then join with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, what he did was to create two calf idols for idol worship in the north to keep the ten tribes from going south. God put up with that for a long time, but eventually scattered the ten tribes because of it. The final siege by the kings of Assyria was upon the area of Samaria, the capital area of the northern "kingdom of Israel." Then all the ten tribes were removed out of the northern holy lands. The king of Assyria then brought foreigners from Babylon and supplanted them in the holy land where the ten tribes had been, and they became known as the Samaritans. Only the 3 tribe "kingdom of Judah" was left in the holy land.

2nd Captivity -- upon the 3 tribe "house of Judah" only. About 200 years after God had brought the kings of Assyria upon the ten northern tribes and took them captive, the 3 tribe "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea also began to fall away from God, and was in the days of Jeremiah the prophet. God then brought Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, upon the 3 tribe "kingdom of Judah", and he destroyed Jerusalem and Solomon's temple, and took them captive to Babylon. God warned Judah they would go captive for seventy years. This did not involve the ten tribes, for they were already gone by this time. After Judah's captivity in Babylon, only a small remnant returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city, wall and temple. These became known as JEWS according to the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.). And the foreigners that went captive to Babylon with Judah also took that name Jew, which is from the tribe of Judah.

The majority of the Jews that went captive to Babylon chose to remain there after their captivity, as God has promised to take care of them there if they agreed to go, and He did, and even made them increase in number and wealth. Then many of these Jews in Babylon were later scattered through the countries as prophesied. But only a small remnant of the Jews actually returned to the holy land at Jerusalem-Judea to make up the nation of Israel again. Then in 70 A.D., God brought the Romans upon Jerusalem and destroyed the city again, and the 2nd temple, and scattered the Jews like the kings of Assyria did to the ten northern tribes of Israel.

But God used the ten scattered tribes in The Gospel of Jesus Christ, and this is the point in Bible prophecy which many miss, or are scared to teach because of not wanting to offend the Jews who think they only represent God's Israel. God's Birthright Blessings, which always had included The Gospel of Jesus Christ, was first given through Abraham (See Galatians 3 and Romans 4). The Jews of the "house of Judah" rejected The Gospel as a majority, so The Gospel went to the Gentiles and they would believe. What is often left out of that Gospel going to the Gentiles is the fact that among the Gentiles is where God promised He would scatter the children of Israel if they forgot Him. Both the ten scattered tribes, and a portion of the scattered Jews that converted to The Gospel also, became Christ's Church with the believing Gentiles, in those new lands of the Gentiles, which historically we discover was in Asia Minor and Europe.

Per 1 Chronicles 5, we learn that God's Birthright went to the two sons of Joseph, which were Ephraim and Manasseh. God had made Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim "king of Israel" over the ten northern tribes (1 Kings 11). And God's Birthright fell upon Ephraim, so no coincidence that God made Jeroboam of Ephraim king of Israel, because the name Israel is... God's Birthright name. It represents not just God's promised blessings to Israel, but especially His Promise by Faith, The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Abraham was the first to believe that Promise by Faith as The Gospel was preached to Abraham according to Apostle Paul. Apostle Paul even said that those of Faith have become the "children of Abraham" because of that (Gal.3). So while the majority of the Jews still reject The Gospel, and are unaware that The Gospel was part of God's Birthright Promises to Abraham all along, Paul showed in final, once God removes the spiritual blindness He put upon those Jews, then they will believe that Gospel of Jesus Christ.

But until that future time, when what God did with hiding the ten tribes once scattered, using them in The Gospel of Jesus Christ, the world will remain ignorant of what happened to the ten lost tribes of Israel.

 

[Luther7]

WARNING: Do not buy into Jew's theories that come here which try... and claim that they, the Jews, are the only people of Israel. That idea is NOT Biblical, even though we hear it all the time by deceived preachers. Read your Bible for yourself, and check me out on this.


Let's just dump right off the bat... the Jew's false theory that Apostle Paul did not preach Christ's Church as Israel...

Eph 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

The Greek word for "commonwealth" simply means 'a community'. But in 16th century English terms, as also today, it means MORE than one people or nation. And with Paul using that for "Israel" there, that means MORE than just Jews. Well just who was Paul telling this to? To Gentile believers in Christ's Church.

What many brethren don't know, because of the Jew's false teachings among many Churches today, is that God's written Word actually points to 'how' the Gentiles would come to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ after... the majority of Jews rejected it, and still do to this day. I'll try and summarize some of those Biblical steps... check out the Scripture for yourself...

1. per Genesis 35 and Genesis 48, one of the prophecies of blessing per God's Birthright first given through Abraham, was that Jacob's seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations." And that prophecy extended to Joseph's son Ephraim per Genesis 48 that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

When I ask preachers about that prophecy, they start fidgeting in their seats. And just mention of it to Jews really riles them up against it, because they only want to be known as God's Israel.

But it's really, really simple to understand that the nation state of Israel in the middle east has only ever been but ONE nation, definitely not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations." Ask the majority of preachers out there and they will just turn a blind eye to who all those other nations of Israel might be. They don't know... because... they do not STUDY their Old Testament in depth like they should, or like we think they already do, but they do not.

2. even by following God's Birthright originally given through Abraham, the Bible student can make greater sense of who those "multitude of nations" are that Ephraim would become and be associated with, even to this day. The Birthright Promise being finalized upon Ephraim is written in 1 Chronicles 5.

3. God's Birthright involves His promises and blessings to Abraham originally. In Galatians 3, Apostle Paul revealed that The Gospel was preached to Abraham, and Abraham believed, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. And thus all those of Faith have become "the children of Abraham", Paul said in Galatians 3. Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ had always... been a part of God's Birthright to Israel, passed down from Abraham, then from his son Isaac, and then from his son Jacob, and then from his son Joseph, and finally upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where 'care'... of The Gospel still rests to this day among the Christian West and its allied Christian nations.

4. God split old Israel in Solomon's day into two nations, two kingdoms. The JEWS represented only THREE TRIBES of ISRAEL, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The title of Jew actually was derived from the tribe of Judah. Apostle Paul said he was a Jew born of the tribe of Benjamin. The tribe of Benjamin was the only tribe split off along with Judah when God split old Israel. The tribe of Levi would later become joined with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem-Judah once Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim started calf idol worship among the northern ten tribes and made common priests of the people. This is all Bible history written starting in 1 Kings 11, and also 2 Chronicles 11.

5. God scattered the northern ten tribes of Israel first out of the holy land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, never to return as the majority of Israelites. They became LOST, and thus the name Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

6. God did not loose the ten tribes, but declared what He would do to them once scattered. This is the main subject of the Book of Hosea. And it reveals that the Jews of the "house of Judah" only remained in the holy land when God scattered the ten tribes. Further revealed is how the ten tribe "house of Israel" would loose their heritage as part of Israel, and become as Gentiles living among Gentiles.

7. Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea in Romans 9 to Roman Gentile believers on Christ Jesus. In Hosea, God in final said the ten tribes would become His people again, and Paul included the believing Gentiles in that with them, which is about Christ's Church. Paul in that Romans 9 Chapter is explaining just how the "commonwealth of Israel" under Jesus Christ came to be, and it follows this Birthright history down to Ephraim having in final becoming "a multitude of nations" per Genesis 48.

8. that "multitude of nations" was fulfilled by the children of Israel through the ten tribe scattering to Assyria, and from there they would migrate mainly into Asia Minor to form the early Churches (like those Churches Jesus sent His 7 Messages to), and then further migrations in stages into Europe, and finally The Gospel being accepted on national scales there in Europe. Thus it is impossible... per God's Word, to try and prevent Christ's Church's direct association with God's Israel.

9. why do the Jews act so selfish then in thinking to protect that they only represent God's Israel? It is because the majority of the leadership of the unbelieving Jews in the nation of Israel are following the old crept in unaware FAKE Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" who crept in long ago, and were behind the murder of our Lord Jesus of Nazareth. They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people.

8. that "multitude of nations" was fulfilled by the children of Israel through the ten tribe scattering to Assyria, and from there they would migrate mainly into Asia Minor to form the early Churches (like those Churches Jesus sent His 7 Messages to), and then further migrations in stages into Europe, and finally The Gospel being accepted on national scales there in Europe. Thus it is impossible... per God's Word, to try and prevent Christ's Church's direct association with God's Israel.

PERFECTLY STATED!

 

[Luther7]

8. that "multitude of nations" was fulfilled by the children of Israel through the ten tribe scattering to Assyria, and from there they would migrate mainly into Asia Minor to form the early Churches (like those Churches Jesus sent His 7 Messages to), and then further migrations in stages into Europe, and finally The Gospel being accepted on national scales there in Europe. Thus it is impossible... per God's Word, to try and prevent Christ's Church's direct association with God's Israel.

PERFECTLY STATED!

WARNING: Do not buy into Jew's theories that come here which try... and claim that they, the Jews, are the only people of Israel. That idea is NOT Biblical, even though we hear it all the time by deceived preachers. Read your Bible for yourself, and check me out on this.


Let's just dump right off the bat... the Jew's false theory that Apostle Paul did not preach Christ's Church as Israel...

Eph 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
KJV

The Greek word for "commonwealth" simply means 'a community'. But in 16th century English terms, as also today, it means MORE than one people or nation. And with Paul using that for "Israel" there, that means MORE than just Jews. Well just who was Paul telling this to? To Gentile believers in Christ's Church.

What many brethren don't know, because of the Jew's false teachings among many Churches today, is that God's written Word actually points to 'how' the Gentiles would come to hear The Gospel of Jesus Christ after... the majority of Jews rejected it, and still do to this day. I'll try and summarize some of those Biblical steps... check out the Scripture for yourself...

1. per Genesis 35 and Genesis 48, one of the prophecies of blessing per God's Birthright first given through Abraham, was that Jacob's seed would become "a nation, and a company of nations." And that prophecy extended to Joseph's son Ephraim per Genesis 48 that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations."

When I ask preachers about that prophecy, they start fidgeting in their seats. And just mention of it to Jews really riles them up against it, because they only want to be known as God's Israel.

But it's really, really simple to understand that the nation state of Israel in the middle east has only ever been but ONE nation, definitely not "a company of nations" nor "a multitude of nations." Ask the majority of preachers out there and they will just turn a blind eye to who all those other nations of Israel might be. They don't know... because... they do not STUDY their Old Testament in depth like they should, or like we think they already do, but they do not.

2. even by following God's Birthright originally given through Abraham, the Bible student can make greater sense of who those "multitude of nations" are that Ephraim would become and be associated with, even to this day. The Birthright Promise being finalized upon Ephraim is written in 1 Chronicles 5.

3. God's Birthright involves His promises and blessings to Abraham originally. In Galatians 3, Apostle Paul revealed that The Gospel was preached to Abraham, and Abraham believed, and it was counted to Abraham as righteousness. And thus all those of Faith have become "the children of Abraham", Paul said in Galatians 3. Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ had always... been a part of God's Birthright to Israel, passed down from Abraham, then from his son Isaac, and then from his son Jacob, and then from his son Joseph, and finally upon Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where 'care'... of The Gospel still rests to this day among the Christian West and its allied Christian nations.

4. God split old Israel in Solomon's day into two nations, two kingdoms. The JEWS represented only THREE TRIBES of ISRAEL, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi. The title of Jew actually was derived from the tribe of Judah. Apostle Paul said he was a Jew born of the tribe of Benjamin. The tribe of Benjamin was the only tribe split off along with Judah when God split old Israel. The tribe of Levi would later become joined with Judah and Benjamin at Jerusalem-Judah once Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim started calf idol worship among the northern ten tribes and made common priests of the people. This is all Bible history written starting in 1 Kings 11, and also 2 Chronicles 11.

5. God scattered the northern ten tribes of Israel first out of the holy land, captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, never to return as the majority of Israelites. They became LOST, and thus the name Lost Ten Tribes of Israel.

6. God did not loose the ten tribes, but declared what He would do to them once scattered. This is the main subject of the Book of Hosea. And it reveals that the Jews of the "house of Judah" only remained in the holy land when God scattered the ten tribes. Further revealed is how the ten tribe "house of Israel" would loose their heritage as part of Israel, and become as Gentiles living among Gentiles.

7. Apostle Paul quoted from Hosea in Romans 9 to Roman Gentile believers on Christ Jesus. In Hosea, God in final said the ten tribes would become His people again, and Paul included the believing Gentiles in that with them, which is about Christ's Church. Paul in that Romans 9 Chapter is explaining just how the "commonwealth of Israel" under Jesus Christ came to be, and it follows this Birthright history down to Ephraim having in final becoming "a multitude of nations" per Genesis 48.

8. that "multitude of nations" was fulfilled by the children of Israel through the ten tribe scattering to Assyria, and from there they would migrate mainly into Asia Minor to form the early Churches (like those Churches Jesus sent His 7 Messages to), and then further migrations in stages into Europe, and finally The Gospel being accepted on national scales there in Europe. Thus it is impossible... per God's Word, to try and prevent Christ's Church's direct association with God's Israel.

9. why do the Jews act so selfish then in thinking to protect that they only represent God's Israel? It is because the majority of the leadership of the unbelieving Jews in the nation of Israel are following the old crept in unaware FAKE Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" who crept in long ago, and were behind the murder of our Lord Jesus of Nazareth. They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people.

You said" They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people."

Absolutely correct. Everything they have done as a nation since the time of Moses was to go against God . And then when God casts them out and calls His people by a new name ( Isaiah 65) they retaliate against the Christian world. So sad.

There's actually people out there that believe God has a special plan for them!

 

[Davy]

You said" They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people."

Absolutely correct. Everything they have done as a nation since the time of Moses was to go against God . And then when God casts them out and calls His people by a new name ( Isaiah 65) they retaliate against the Christian world. So sad.

There's actually people out there that believe God has a special plan for them!

Yet I only go as far as what God's Word says about Judah. I don't add false ideas that all Jews are evil, or working against Christ, because not all Jews are guilty of that. It's the "synagogue of Satan" Jesus mentioned, those who only SAY... they are Jews, but are not, that cause true brother Judah to at times get a bad reputation. Those false Jews Jesus pointed to represent the "tares" in His parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13.

Thus the Jews, and I refer to 'true' Judah, the remnant of the "house of Judah" that made up the southern kingdom under the house of David, well... God does have a special plan for them when He removes the spiritual blindness He put upon them, as per Apostle Paul in Romans 11. When Lord Jesus returns, and true Judah realizes Who they rejected, they will mourn for Him, and be in shame. Yet they will then believe on Lord Jesus Christ then, which is why Paul quoted from Isaiah that all Israel will be saved.

And we as Christians, Apostle Paul told us in Romans 11 to not be conceited about that matter of the Jew's spiritual blindness, because if we don't stay in Christ's Grace we also shall be 'cut off'.

 

[Luther7]

Yet I only go as far as what God's Word says about Judah. I don't add false ideas that all Jews are evil, or working against Christ, because not all Jews are guilty of that. It's the "synagogue of Satan" Jesus mentioned, those who only SAY... they are Jews, but are not, that cause true brother Judah to at times get a bad reputation. Those false Jews Jesus pointed to represent the "tares" in His parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13.

Thus the Jews, and I refer to 'true' Judah, the remnant of the "house of Judah" that made up the southern kingdom under the house of David, well... God does have a special plan for them when He removes the spiritual blindness He put upon them, as per Apostle Paul in Romans 11. When Lord Jesus returns, and true Judah realizes Who they rejected, they will mourn for Him, and be in shame. Yet they will then believe on Lord Jesus Christ then, which is why Paul quoted from Isaiah that all Israel will be saved.

And we as Christians, Apostle Paul told us in Romans 11 to not be conceited about that matter of the Jew's spiritual blindness, because if we don't stay in Christ's Grace we also shall be 'cut off'.

I never said that all jews were evil.

 

[Davy]

I never said that all jews were evil.

I know you didn't. I just wanted to make sure others understood, especially Jewish converts to Christ that come here.

 

[Luther7]

I know you didn't. I just wanted to make sure others understood, especially Jewish converts to Christ that come here.

Absolutely. The problem is those who are in control. Unfortunately there are no real Christians in government, finance and entertainment and media that would be able to turn this around and actually honor God's will.

We are at war with Iran because we are no longer a sovereign nation. The last attempt was made with JFK, when he tried to prevent our "boss" from developing nuclear weapons. And you see what happened to him. Now they have over 300 of them and soon they won't need the United States any longer, after the only country standing in the way ( Iran) is neutralized.

There has never been an incident of a terrorist attack in the U.S. by the Iranian government. Ask yourself why we are at war with them.

 

[Kayla McCanny]

You said" They work for the devil, and the devil wants this earth for himself, so the devil tries to claim everything that belongs to God, including His people."

Absolutely correct. Everything they have done as a nation since the time of Moses was to go against God . And then when God casts them out and calls His people by a new name ( Isaiah 65) they retaliate against the Christian world. So sad.

There's actually people out there that believe God has a special plan for them!

God 1 chronicles 16;15-17 and 36 an psalms 105 and I know there are others. He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded for thousands of generations. The covenant he made with Abraham, the oath he swore to Issac he confirmed with Jacob as a decree to isreal a permanent covenant.