DOES THIS VERSE CONTRADICT PAUL SAYING A WOMEN CAN'T SPEAK IN THE CHURCH?

[Doug]

and @Roland Nolette

Did you know that women cannot divorce men, but men can divorce women if she is unfaithful? A woman, no matter what, cannot marry another until her husband is dead.

I thought you two being men would enjoy this law.

Women werent held in high esteem in the ancient world
Christ elevated them

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Women werent held in high esteem in the ancient world
Christ elevated them

Yes, to speak in church too.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They can have a ministry in the church as I have said elsewhere

[Titus 2:4 KJV] "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,"

[Philippians 4:3 KJV] "And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life."

Women can teach young women and labour in the gospel

And that is not in the church proper when all are assembled.

 

[Doug]

And that is not in the church proper when all are assembled.

Right their ministry did not include teaching or speaking in tongues in church
It doesnt say they cant speak in church but I cant think of what they would speak about

 

[Button]

If we are all one in Christ,there can be no division based on Gender. The false teaching of s8bordinance is not of God. It is of the old Orthodox persuasion.
Paul praised women apostles who served in the church as ministers.

God calls whom he will to serve his will. Divisiveness is not of God.

Women are powerful by God's will. Not property.

 

[Doug]

If we are all one in Christ,there can be no division based on Gender. The false teaching of s8bordinance is not of God. It is of the old Orthodox persuasion.
Paul praised women apostles who served in the church as ministers.

God calls whom he will to serve his will. Divisiveness is not of God.

Women are powerful by God's will. Not property.

We are all one in the body of Christ in this dispensation of grace. Prior to that there was a division between Israel and Gentiles. The women that prophesized were under the law dispensation and can be found in the OT and NT scriptures. You dont find women prophesying in this dispensation revealed to Paul

 

[Button]

We are all one in the body of Christ in this dispensation of grace. Prior to that there was a division between Israel and Gentiles. The women that prophesized were under the law dispensation and can be found in the OT and NT scriptures. You dont find women prophesying in this dispensation revealed to Paul

I disagree.
Acts 21 and Luke 2 comes to mind as just one reason for that.

 

[JesusFan]

[1 Timothy 2:12 KJV] "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
Paul isnt speaking his opinion here. He is communicating what Christ conveyed to him but he isnt saying its a command

Translations omit more then these verses

The Lord set up the principle and pattern of male headship authority of the Male in both the home and in local assemblies

 

[Button]

The Lord set up the principle and pattern of male headship authority of the Male in both the home and in local assemblies

Oops. Jesus didn't get the memo. Nor did Paul.

We are all one in Christ. No Jew,no Greek,no male,or female. We are all one.

 

[Doug]

The Lord set up the principle and pattern of male headship authority of the Male in both the home and in local assemblies

Right
It's not a matter of superiority but just establishing order where men and women have been designated certain roles in which only men can be effective and the same for women. As an example I cant run the household, we would be broke.

 

[Doug]

Oops. Jesus didn't get the memo. Nor did Paul.

We are all one in Christ. No Jew,no Greek,no male,or female. We are all one.

The Lord set order among men and women and the church as found in Paul's epistles

 

[Button]

The Lord set order among men and women and the church as found in Paul's epistles

Paul's Gospel is his responsibility.
If Paul was as you claim, he wouldn't have boasted about his female prophetesses and apostles,which would be a term for minister today.

Look,I'm not going to argue this issue with a proponent of division in God's church.

We are all one in Christ.
Those who divide us by gender are told by Jesus,they are not in that church.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right their ministry did not include teaching or speaking in tongues in church
It doesnt say they cant speak in church but I cant think of what they would speak about

Just remember, even though yopu may not think of it, does not mean it did not happen. Like Peter preaching the crucifixion of jesus for sin as prophesied in Isaiah!

 

[Button]

Right their ministry did not include teaching or speaking in tongues in church
It doesnt say they cant speak in church but I cant think of what they would speak about

I think we have to remember the temple seating arrangement in the first century.

Men and women sat apart. The churches Paul started likely would have followed that same seating arrangement.

We might consider Paul's saying women are not to speak in church was intended to prevent women from asking their husbands for clarification,when listening to sermons.

Otherwise, Junia and other women ministers Paul praised for their work in his churches would be an example of hypocrisy on his part. His allowing women serving under him to speak while prohibiting other women to do so.

 

[JesusFan]

Right
It's not a matter of superiority but just establishing order where men and women have been designated certain roles in which only men can be effective and the same for women. As an example I cant run the household, we would be broke.

The man was NEVER intended to Lord it over the wife, NEVER permitted to ever commit physical mental verbal abuse, but sad to say, has to be used to do all of those sins thru the years

 

[Doug]

Just remember, even though yopu may not think of it, does not mean it did not happen. Like Peter preaching the crucifixion of jesus for sin as prophesied in Isaiah!

Peter preached the crucifixion as Israel killing their Messiah, he was condemning them

 

[Doug]

Just remember, even though yopu may not think of it, does not mean it did not happen. Like Peter preaching the crucifixion of jesus for sin as prophesied in Isaiah!

Just remember, even though yopu may not think of it, does not mean it did not happen. Like Peter preaching the crucifixion of jesus for sin as prophesied in Isaiah!

Where did Peter preach from Isiah 53

 

[Taken]

DOES THIS VERSE CONTRADICT PAUL SAYING A WOMEN CAN'T SPEAK IN THE CHURCH?

No.

Context.

Everyone…men, women, children should adhere to Being Quiet, when gathered together for the purpose TO Listen…
when ONE is Before the Gathering and Speaking to the Gathering.

Common sense and respect.
Anciently only men attended Temple.
Historically men and women attended Church.
In due time, each; men first, then women learned to be silent listeners, when ONE was leading a sermon.

Glory to God
Taken

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Peter preached the crucifixion as Israel killing their Messiah, he was condemning them

YOu need to reread Acts again. You have read it wrong! It was the Pharisees who had Jesus brought before Pilate, but even the church in the Nicene Creed recognized Pilate was the main culprit. Though god the Father ordered Jesus' death.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Where did Peter preach from Isiah 53

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